(11-26-2014 09:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is a 14 day stay. Which could be extended by the Circuit. By January, 37 states will have marriage equality.

I can't marry another man either. That's marriage equality. What you're talking about is gay marriage.

No. You CAN marry another man in states where same-sex marriage is legal. That's kind of the point. However you probably wouldn't because, I'm assuming, you're straight. That doesn't mean the law doesn't give the provision, though...

(11-26-2014 09:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 09:09 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Good thing LGBTQ activists have their sights set on the important things like marriage equity. Wouldn't want something like, oh, say ISIS executes two men suspected of being gay to get in the way of safe, warm priorities here in the West.

We're fully aware of the massive human rights abuses committed against our community by Islamic radicals in Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. And the massive human rights abuses committed against our community by Christian radicals in Cameroon, Uganda, Nigeria, Jamaica, Belize, and Russia.

But the fact that Christian/Islamic fundamentalists are committing heinous crimes against humanity claiming to be supported by their religons, doesn't mean that we cannot move forward with equality in places where we aren't killed or jailed simply for who we are.

We seek to apply pressure on those violent regimes where we can. Especially if material support for those human rights abuses comes from the West (e.g., Uganda)

Again, where is this "gay community" located?

(11-26-2014 10:11 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I look forward to seeing massive LGBTQ demonstrations against Muslim and other radicals. I would take part in them. I want nothing but the best for the LGBTQ population.

But instead I often get this:



I cannot be more clear that this turns off normal people. Normal people who would be your allies.

Ugh. That is SO hideous, and so true.

Activism is what makes you dislike groups like this.

(11-26-2014 10:26 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 09:40 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  There is a 14 day stay. Which could be extended by the Circuit. By January, 37 states will have marriage equality.

I can't marry another man either. That's marriage equality. What you're talking about is gay marriage.

No. You CAN marry another man in states where same-sex marriage is legal. That's kind of the point. However you probably wouldn't because, I'm assuming, you're straight. That doesn't mean the law doesn't give the provision, though...

You're correct, but that's gay marriage.

(11-26-2014 10:29 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Again, where is this "gay community" located?

You find the blue areas, you'll find the gay community(ies).

(11-26-2014 10:11 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 09:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  We seek to apply pressure on those violent regimes where we can. Especially if material support for those human rights abuses comes from the West (e.g., Uganda)

(None of this is intended to pick on you, Tom; I’m just musing out loud here.)

I look forward to seeing massive LGBTQ demonstrations against Muslim and other radicals. I would take part in them. I want nothing but the best for the LGBTQ population.

But instead I often get this:



I cannot be more clear that this turns off normal people. Normal people who would be your allies.

I just find the LGBTQ priorities misguided. Gays are DYING around the world, and I'm told that's because rich white people support a traditional definition of marriage so let's have a dirty party and dress up.

Pride parades aren't about you, they're about us. Its about not being ashamed of being gay. If you ever attended a pride parade, you'd see that the vast majority of marchers and attendees are conventionally dressed. Heck, at most Pride parades nowadays, the largest number of attendees are straight. So there's a couple of people dressed like you and I wouldn't. So what?

By the way, Pride in the West isn't really much different than Mardi Gras (in most places its more tame). I don't even usually attend the one in Houston because its too da*m hot, there's no message coming out of it other than "Bud Light" and "Bank at Chase" and with 300,000 people showing up, its a tremendous hassle. And there's no message from the event.

I guarantee if you went to your local pride parade, you'd see the following. 97% conventionally dressed. 3 or 4 people dressed in some leather getup. Perhaps a boob or two from the Lesbians. And a few people dressed in clothing not consistent with their birth gender.

And the lady in pink in your pic....looks fabulous. Its a dress up parade for her. If she wants to dress fabulously, she has that right.

(11-26-2014 10:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Pride parades aren't about you, they're about us.

You just proved his point. Thanks.

And that's not a girl in the pink dress.

Youre in the business of assigning gender identities on people now? How typical. Small govt until the morality squad decides they have an issue with your lifestyle and then its your way or the highway. Youre the king of black and white politicking.

(11-26-2014 10:42 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  Youre in the business of assigning gender identities on people now?

That ain't no damn woman... Tom only said that because his "community" gets to pick what gender they want to be.

other than the brainwashed psuedo christians that believe in a 2k yr old book written by people with an agenda....I just don't get the angst

the anger towards 'those' is beyond my comprehension...

maybe it's too much bestest friend pocket pool in the 2nd grade lunch line.....and they liked it but just 'knew' it was 'wrong'?

someone mentioned 300 ad rome.....I'll retort with salem witch trials....

everyone has biased tendencies.....then some have tendencies they are unwilling to acknowledge....kinda like that bullying thingy that's problematic in the current version of this planet......

it always plays out in the end (pun intended)

(11-26-2014 10:33 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I guarantee if you went to your local pride parade, you'd see the following. 97% conventionally dressed. 3 or 4 people dressed in some leather getup. Perhaps a boob or two from the Lesbians.

Now I am interested in attending.



You are right, yes. Many are conventionally dressed, especially those marching in a corporate or political capacity. And much of the audience is your normal midwestern white bread.

But since I have attended and watched the gay pride parade in Minneapolis I can say unequivocally that the number of people dressed and acting provocatively within the march is on par if not in excess of those marching to a normal drummer.

Listen, I do I understand that me having unreasonable expectations about a march and then my premising complaints on the failure to have those expectations met is kind of a weird and hard to credit position.

But the community is the content. To a very large extent people's desire to be part of a certain community means that they're motivated differently from people who are not part of that community. Hence, LGBTQ excess vs my expectations or suggestions for improvement. Whatever, in the nicest sense of the word. LGBTQ equality is inevitable and I understand that the LGBTQ community no longer has to kowtow to the establishment to get what it needs.

(11-26-2014 10:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  other than the brainwashed psuedo christians that believe in a 2k yr old book written by people with an agenda....I just don't get the angst

the anger towards 'those' is beyond my comprehension...

maybe it's too much bestest friend pocket pool in the 2nd grade lunch line.....and they liked it but just 'knew' it was 'wrong'?

someone mentioned 300 ad rome.....I'll retort with salem witch trials....

everyone has biased tendencies.....then some have tendencies they are unwilling to acknowledge....kinda like that bullying thingy that's problematic in the current version of this planet......

it always plays out in the end (pun intended)

The angst stems from the potential that Christians belief system will be forced to change.

(11-26-2014 01:03 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  ^ hater. Don't support gay marriage? Don't get gay married.

It's marriage equality. That 72% shows just how wrong side of history the older generations are. Sounds familiar.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...quality%2F

If you truly supported marriage "equality", I would see you advocating for polygamy, incest, bestiality, et al. marriages. Yet all you advocate for is GAY marriage. So do you really want to keep pushing the fallacy that you're a marriage "equality" supporter?


Note: I borrowed this link from BatonRougeEscapee

(11-26-2014 11:57 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 01:03 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  ^ hater. Don't support gay marriage? Don't get gay married.

It's marriage equality. That 72% shows just how wrong side of history the older generations are. Sounds familiar.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...quality%2F

If you truly supported marriage "equality", I would see you advocating for polygamy, incest, bestiality, et al. marriages. Yet all you advocate for is GAY marriage. So do you really want to keep pushing the fallacy that you're a marriage "equality" supporter?


Note: I borrowed this link from BatonRougeEscapee

+1

Still waiting for somebody to tell me where these gay "communities" are located.

(11-26-2014 11:57 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 01:03 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  ^ hater. Don't support gay marriage? Don't get gay married.

It's marriage equality. That 72% shows just how wrong side of history the older generations are. Sounds familiar.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...quality%2F

If you truly supported marriage "equality", I would see you advocating for polygamy, incest, bestiality, et al. marriages. Yet all you advocate for is GAY marriage. So do you really want to keep pushing the fallacy that you're a marriage "equality" supporter?


Note: I borrowed this link from BatonRougeEscapee

I will exclude bestiality because animals do not have rights under our Constitution. But, the reason why homosexuals do not want to advocate for "open" marriages is because they do not want to be associated with the other things. They know people would reject their argument if it included the others. Plus, they see themselves and their arrangements as being just like traditional marriage, whereas, those other arrangements they see as being different (and to some extent inferior). They are going for forced acceptance of their way of life and to do that, they have to have other's arrangements to separate themselves from. You'll notice just how hard they fight to separate themselves from polygamists, polyamorists, and underage or interfamilial marriage. But IMO, the truth is that if we are to accept their arguments for why their lifestyle should be accepted, then it must logically be extended to those other arrangements.

(11-26-2014 11:10 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 10:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  other than the brainwashed psuedo christians that believe in a 2k yr old book written by people with an agenda....I just don't get the angst

the anger towards 'those' is beyond my comprehension...

maybe it's too much bestest friend pocket pool in the 2nd grade lunch line.....and they liked it but just 'knew' it was 'wrong'?

someone mentioned 300 ad rome.....I'll retort with salem witch trials....

everyone has biased tendencies.....then some have tendencies they are unwilling to acknowledge....kinda like that bullying thingy that's problematic in the current version of this planet......

it always plays out in the end (pun intended)

The angst stems from the potential that Christians belief system will be forced to change.

The beliefs of society have changed. And so has much of Christian thought.

There's a difference between demanding equality in treatment in commerce, employment, and government....and demanding that Christians change.

Let's be clear....There's nothing in the Bible that says "Don't hire Gays or Jews". Its not persecution to make special rights (such as tax benefits, etc.) contingent upon non-discriminatory behavior. Its not persecution to demand that all of our citizens, regardless of their religious beliefs or sexual orientation be able to participate equally in commerce.

You should not have the right to discriminate in non-theological employment (and non-theological covers just about everything but the preacher). You should not have the right to discriminate in public accommodations. You should not have tax benefits if you engage in discrimination (and I would say that other private entities such as Country Clubs should be treated similarly - no tax benefits). You should not be able to discriminate in hiring or provision of services if you take government funds. None of that is persecution. If someone wants to pay their property taxes, not take government funds, not demand tax benefits, and not engage in private commerce, then they should be able to do whatever they wish.

(11-26-2014 12:53 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 11:57 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 01:03 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  ^ hater. Don't support gay marriage? Don't get gay married.

It's marriage equality. That 72% shows just how wrong side of history the older generations are. Sounds familiar.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=...quality%2F

If you truly supported marriage "equality", I would see you advocating for polygamy, incest, bestiality, et al. marriages. Yet all you advocate for is GAY marriage. So do you really want to keep pushing the fallacy that you're a marriage "equality" supporter?


Note: I borrowed this link from BatonRougeEscapee

I will exclude bestiality because animals do not have rights under our Constitution. But, the reason why homosexuals do not want to advocate for "open" marriages is because they do not want to be associated with the other things. They know people would reject their argument if it included the others. Plus, they see themselves and their arrangements as being just like traditional marriage, whereas, those other arrangements they see as being different (and to some extent inferior). They are going for forced acceptance of their way of life and to do that, they have to have other's arrangements to separate themselves from. You'll notice just how hard they fight to separate themselves from polygamists, polyamorists, and underage or interfamilial marriage. But IMO, the truth is that if we are to accept their arguments for why their lifestyle should be accepted, then it must logically be extended to those other arrangements.

LOL. Many of those 'other arrangements' are straight ones. Why hasn't the existence of 'straight marriage' led to father daughter marriages?