(11-26-2014 08:23 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The difference is that Utah, Boise, NIU, and Hawaii all played and beat P5 teams during their seaons for which they gained BCS bowls.

Ok. Would any of them have made the BCS bowl if they would have lost a conference game even with that AQ win while there was another undefeated non-AQ school sitting there? Let's compare apples to apples here.

Hawaii beat a 4-9 Washington team.

And Boise doesn't have a single P5 win on their schedule plus they have a loss to a G5 school. I don't understand how this can even be an argument. I'm just dumbfounded.

And the one P5 school Boise played they got blown out by what we now see was a very over rated Ole Miss team in the first place.

(11-26-2014 08:33 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Hawaii beat a 4-9 Washington team.

And Boise doesn't have a single P5 win on their schedule plus they have a loss to a G5 school. I don't understand how this can even be an argument. I'm just dumbfounded.

And the one P5 school Boise played they got blown out by what we now see was a very over rated Ole Miss team in the first place.

Boise is the bigger brand name. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I'm not saying it's right at all. In fact, I think it's criminal that they can have Boise ranked higher and I've had more than my fair share of criticisms of Marshall. This new format is a joke. Just kill college football right now. It's officially ruined.

Our AD admitted on the air last week that he has called the following schools offering a 1-1 OR 2-1 and to date, has no takers.

BC
Va Tech
Vandy
Duke
Ga Tech
UK - He has called numerous times and they say don't call again
Wake
and a few others that I can't recall.

He is trying but its not easy. Marshall is good at home, and obviously, WV doesn't produce a lot of D1 prospects, thus its not much of an advantage to come to Huntington.

Thankfully, we have Pitt, NC St. , Purdue, UL, Navy and ECU all coming in the next 5-6 years. Its a start.

(11-26-2014 08:42 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:33 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Hawaii beat a 4-9 Washington team.

And Boise doesn't have a single P5 win on their schedule plus they have a loss to a G5 school. I don't understand how this can even be an argument. I'm just dumbfounded.

And the one P5 school Boise played they got blown out by what we now see was a very over rated Ole Miss team in the first place.

Boise is the bigger brand name. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I'm not saying it's right at all. In fact, I think it's criminal that they can have Boise ranked higher and I've had more than my fair share of criticisms of Marshall. This new format is a joke. Just kill college football right now. It's officially ruined.

I agree 100% about Boise and the brand name and that they have ruined college football. It's a shame. The disparity between the P5 and G5 will continue to grow. Bank on that!

(11-26-2014 08:42 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:33 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Hawaii beat a 4-9 Washington team.

And Boise doesn't have a single P5 win on their schedule plus they have a loss to a G5 school. I don't understand how this can even be an argument. I'm just dumbfounded.

And the one P5 school Boise played they got blown out by what we now see was a very over rated Ole Miss team in the first place.

Boise is the bigger brand name. That's the only explanation I can come up with. I'm not saying it's right at all. In fact, I think it's criminal that they can have Boise ranked higher and I've had more than my fair share of criticisms of Marshall. This new format is a joke. Just kill college football right now. It's officially ruined.

I think this is a good point. I never thought I would say this but maybe the computers are the right way to go. At least there is no human bias there (except for that which the programers write into the methodology) but I almost feel like you're right. They are making it worse.

I wonder if this releasing rankings every week is going to stick? It's assinine to come out every week with a new set of rankings. Seems like they should get together the week of the championship games, look at the total body of work and then start the process of attempting to objectively rank them.

(11-26-2014 08:53 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  Our AD admitted on the air last week that he has called the following schools offering a 1-1 OR 2-1 and to date, has no takers.

BC
Va Tech
Vandy
Duke
Ga Tech
UK - He has called numerous times and they say don't call again
Wake
and a few others that I can't recall.

He is trying but its not easy. Marshall is good at home, and obviously, WV doesn't produce a lot of D1 prospects, thus its not much of an advantage to come to Huntington.

Thankfully, we have Pitt, NC St. , Purdue, UL, Navy and ECU all coming in the next 5-6 years. Its a start.

He's wasting his time with the P5 private schools. Teams like ECU, Boise, Marshall, etc. are EXACTLY the kind of OOC games that they're avoiding like the plague.

(11-26-2014 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:23 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The difference is that Utah, Boise, NIU, and Hawaii all played and beat P5 teams during their seaons for which they gained BCS bowls.

Ok. Would any of them have made the BCS bowl if they would have lost a conference game even with that AQ win while there was another undefeated non-AQ school sitting there? Let's compare apples to apples here.

If that other undefeated non-AQ school had a schedule like Marshall's, then yes.

In Boise's runs into BCS games they had wins over Oregon State, Oregon, and Virginia Tech. If they beat those teams but happened to drop a tough game againt, say, Utah or Fresno State, then they would ahve definitely still got the nod over another non-AQ that played a team without a single AQ challenge on it.

(11-26-2014 08:57 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:29 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:23 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The difference is that Utah, Boise, NIU, and Hawaii all played and beat P5 teams during their seaons for which they gained BCS bowls.

Ok. Would any of them have made the BCS bowl if they would have lost a conference game even with that AQ win while there was another undefeated non-AQ school sitting there? Let's compare apples to apples here.

If that other undefeated non-AQ school had a schedule like Marshall's, then yes.

In Boise's runs into BCS games they had wins over Oregon State, Oregon, and Virginia Tech. If they beat those teams but happened to drop a tough game againt, say, Utah or Fresno State, then they would ahve definitely still got the nod over another non-AQ that played a team without a single AQ challenge on it.

So Hawaii still would have gone to the AQ bowl even if they would have lost to 4-9 Washington, simply because they played a bad power school while an undefeated - lets say - Toledo went undefeated?? No way.

In 2009, if Boise would have lost to Air Force (just like they did this year) even with a win over Oregon St there would only have been one non-AQ in the Fiesta Bowl that year and it wouldn't have been Boise.

You're welcome to your opinion on this, but I just don't see any way what you're suggesting would have been humanly possible. It's taken a special group of 12 people who think they know better than every one else to come up with this ludicrous perspectives this year.

(11-26-2014 08:55 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I agree 100% about Boise and the brand name and that they have ruined college football. It's a shame. The disparity between the P5 and G5 will continue to grow. Bank on that!

Boise has ruined college football; now that's funny.

It's not Boise's fault that the CFP is locked down with P5 cronies. It's not Boise's fault that P5's won't play home and home's. It's not Boise's fault that the cost of college football is growing faster than the nuclear arms race of the 1980's. All Boise has done is win some college football games and played over their heads for decades.

Should Boise be ahead of Marshall this year? Probably not. But don't blame David for slaying Goliath.

(11-25-2014 10:26 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 09:59 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 09:58 PM)Herdfan07 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 09:52 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 09:33 PM)Herdfan07 Wrote:  Its simple how can the best g5 team be a team that was beaten by a g5 team. Boise didnt beat anyone in the p5 and they lost to air force. So I honestly from any stand point see them being the best g5.

CSU is a different situation. I could see them beat in us out for a slot due to only having one loss, yet beating 2 p5. (Situation that ecu was in)

LOL it's not science. Not every time you plug in the same numbers, are you going to get the same result.

Nope its not science. Thats why its a farce. Only in college football can a team get rewarded for losing to a p5 while not even keeping it close.

You can mock it all you want but it follows their agenda. If they put a Boise state team in there and they beat their opponent in the access bowl they can point to the p5 loss and the g5 loss of why they were never in consideration for anything more.

If marshall goes and beats their opponent in the access bowl then they only have sos to point out of why they waited to rank them. They dont want a undefeated try ram from the g5 in that playoff ever.

They don't get rewarded. People actually get to see what their talent level is. Who knows what Marshall's is. The truth is there probably won't ever be a G5 team good enough to be in the playoff.

Good enough? You mean good enough in the eyes of the 12 agenda driven stooges or actually good enough to play football vs the "power" 5 teams in the 4 team "playoff"???

Good enough to be in the top 4. Top 4 teams all have 30 players that are as good as top G5 teams best 5 players. It is what it is.

(11-26-2014 09:43 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:55 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I agree 100% about Boise and the brand name and that they have ruined college football. It's a shame. The disparity between the P5 and G5 will continue to grow. Bank on that!

Boise has ruined college football; now that's funny.

It's not Boise's fault that the CFP is locked down with P5 cronies. It's not Boise's fault that P5's won't play home and home's. It's not Boise's fault that the cost of college football is growing faster than the nuclear arms race of the 1980's. All Boise has done is win some college football games and played over their heads for decades.

Should Boise be ahead of Marshall this year? Probably not. But don't blame David for slaying Goliath.

Go back and look at the context. SVHerd was saying the committee ruined college football, not Boise.

Glad to see both get ranked this week. Too little too late IMO.

The committee has ruined colege football. The irony is that Boise may have partially caused the formation of the Committee and thus ruined football too. They were far to successfull for the P5 school's comfort and now we have Politburo running football.

P.S. not bashing Boise St. at all. They did things the right way football wise.

(11-26-2014 10:25 AM)NoPuntIntended Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 09:43 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:55 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I agree 100% about Boise and the brand name and that they have ruined college football. It's a shame. The disparity between the P5 and G5 will continue to grow. Bank on that!

Boise has ruined college football; now that's funny.

It's not Boise's fault that the CFP is locked down with P5 cronies. It's not Boise's fault that P5's won't play home and home's. It's not Boise's fault that the cost of college football is growing faster than the nuclear arms race of the 1980's. All Boise has done is win some college football games and played over their heads for decades.

Should Boise be ahead of Marshall this year? Probably not. But don't blame David for slaying Goliath.

Go back and look at the context. SVHerd was saying the committee ruined college football, not Boise.

Thank you. I guess I should have clarified that more. I assumed people would know what I meant. Not Boise, the damn committee.

Boise. A team that already lost in embarrassing fashion to a mid tier SEC team. A team that struggles against New Mexico, a team that loses by 14 to air force, a team that plays very little defense.

Thats what the committee wants in this thing. Never mind who the point person for the MWC is (Luck), that must have been a hell of a win over Wyoming. This is a political move and one that will ensure the precious NY6 bowl opponent from the "top 12" will destroy the g5 team. They dont want marshall playing one of their precious schools and making a mockery of them. Then they end up in a situation where a 14-0, team, ? that has consistently been disregarded because of SOS, beats a TCU by 30, then it ends up in an uproar about who was really deservign of that 4th playoff spot. They cant even let the possibility of that situation occur.

All we can do is hope boise loses. And even then, ? they will put CSU abead of us. Unless its the mwc champio ship and boise isnt losing that game.

(11-26-2014 11:00 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 10:25 AM)NoPuntIntended Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 09:43 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 08:55 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  I agree 100% about Boise and the brand name and that they have ruined college football. It's a shame. The disparity between the P5 and G5 will continue to grow. Bank on that!

Boise has ruined college football; now that's funny.
It's not Boise's fault that the CFP is locked down with P5 cronies. It's not Boise's fault that P5's won't play home and home's. It's not Boise's fault that the cost of college football is growing faster than the nuclear arms race of the 1980's. All Boise has done is win some college football games and played over their heads for decades.
Should Boise be ahead of Marshall this year? Probably not. But don't blame David for slaying Goliath.

Go back and look at the context. SVHerd was saying the committee ruined college football, not Boise.

Thank you. I guess I should have clarified that more. I assumed people would know what I meant. Not Boise, the damn committee.

Glad to hear that.

[Boise and brand name and ruined college football all in the same sentance; hard to read any other way, even given the context of your conversation]

And furthermore, there shouldnt even be a "SOs" metric when you lose. Boises Strengh of record, which measures that by winning those games, has them way behind marshall. Having ole miss falsely bump your sos then losing doesnt make wyomig a better team or new mexico etc. If he had one of their SEC teams on our schedule, it would jump from 100+ to probably 90 just because of that.

(11-25-2014 08:50 PM)traitmanz Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 08:38 PM)sportsphantom1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 08:22 PM)traitmanz Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 07:57 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 07:51 PM)traitmanz Wrote:  They should be above Marshall.....CSU one loss is to Boise who played Ole Miss well for 3 quarters...They beat Boston College who manhandled USC and tangled well with Jameis State

Boise and CSU have both lost to a G5 team. Marshall has not.

/thread

The MWC is the top G5 conference. CSU lost to Boise who will be representing the G5 in the access bowl. Boise lost to AFA which would about run over any C-USA team.
Marshal played no one...NO ONE

/thread

Air Force got beat by 6-5 San Diego St. and 4-7 Wyoming so I doubt they would scare anyone in CUSA.

Boise lost to this Air Force team and got beat by 3 TDs against the only P5 team they played.

Have fun in the heart of dallas bowl Herd

Lmfao@Hawaii Fan talking Football Smack! What bowl are you guys going to?

(11-26-2014 11:11 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  And furthermore, there shouldnt even be a "SOs" metric when you lose. Boises Strengh of record, which measures that by winning those games, has them way behind marshall. Having ole miss falsely bump your sos then losing doesnt make wyomig a better team or new mexico etc. If he had one of their SEC teams on our schedule, it would jump from 100+ to probably 90 just because of that.

Look, we all know that Boise's best against Marshall's best on a nuetral field would be a double-digit pick for Marshall in Vegas.

The CFP would love to have CSU as their G5 pick but there's a problem, they're in second place and only conference winnners qualify for an Access bowl.

Politics rule in the CFP Committee room, and clearly Condi Rice (C-USA's advocate) is a light weight in that room [picture a church mouse sitting in the corner].