(11-28-2014 08:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 07:26 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 07:20 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 07:19 PM)ken d Wrote:  Well, the MWC is cooperating in keeping the G5 chaos alive. Now, if Utah State beats Boise, their champ will have at least three losses. Wouldn't it be ironic now if the committee had to pick Marshall even with a loss?

no because the AAC would then become a very viable option.

NIU is probably sitting at #2 behind Boise. They are 10-2, MAC West Champion, P5 win over Northwestern and Loss to Ark. If Boise loses and NIU wins their championship, not sure how AAC would get in over that. In addition, if Utah St beats Boise, does that put them in consideration? They have a P5 win but should Wake really be considered a P5 win.

Now if Boise, Utah State and NIU all lose then I could see Memphis Virginia Tech their way into the ACCESS bowl.

Memphis has a 7 point loss at UCLA, a 21 point loss at Ole Miss and a 4 point loss to Houston. Haven't beaten anyone of significance, but have dominated almost all of them. NIU lost by 38 at Arkansas, 17 vs. CMU and its best win is probably Toledo by 3 and they have had lots of close games. They beat NW by 8, but NW is 5-6.

I think Memphis beats them out if Memphis wins vs. UConn.

We will have to agree to disagree and see what the committee decides. I just don't see 11-2 NIU losing out to a 9-3 Memphis. I think finishing with UCONN this week and not having a championship game will hurt the Memphis this year in the final stretch. NIU has a P5 win and NU could be become bowl eligible with a win of the Illini. In addition, if Utah St wins over Boise, they will get a top 25 win which Memphis does not have. Memphis main positive is we have prettier loses, not a winning argument IMHO. I think a lot will have to fall in place for Memphis to get the bid, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Memphis does not control their destiny as much as Boise, Utah St and N Ill.

I think the committee is not going be as worried about the G5 slot as they are the final four. Thus probably benefiting the teams with the CCG in the last week. Not fair, but probably the reality. Other than AAC fans, I don't think the AAC is really viewed that much better than CUSA, MWC or MAC at the moment. Not saying the AAC doesn't have the potential to be the best G5, but fell far short of that this season which was the first without an access slot.

I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

(11-27-2014 08:06 PM)Bearband36 Wrote:  I would be fine with Georgia state being ranked in that situation, as long as they also took care of their OOC play

You tried.... its Georgia Southern

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

I don't think it could be worse. We played Arkansas and even Northwestern is probably as good as most or all the teams Marshall played. I have a hard time arguing we're as good as Boise or maybe a a few other teams but it's nice to at least be in the conversation somewhat. I do think that NIU has improved in the past few weeks. They still haven't put it together for a whole game though.

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

The entire.AAC has a bad strength of schedule. They're just another G5 conference like the Sun Belt. No way Memphis would get in over NIU.

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(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

If not worse? How about a bowling SEC and BIG team? How many P5 schools did Marshall play?

I think it ranks like this:

01. Boise's to lose.
02. Utah State- A victory over Boise gives them wins over Boise,Wake(I know they are bad, but P-5),BYU, and Air Force.
03. NIU- Despite two losses they would get in over Marshall as they beat Northwestern. Their two losses were against a P-5 and a 7-5 team.
04. Marshall/UCF (If AAC Champion)- Marshall would be 12-1 and UCF 9-3. The question would be which loss is worse? Marshall to WKU? or UCF to UConn?
05. Memphis- 9-3 but wins against some of the weakest teams in the G-5 and three losses.

I'm just glad Marshall is out. They would have set the G5 back 20 years by getting curb-stomped by some mid-tier SEC team. It would have been as bad as Hawaii/Georgia.

(11-29-2014 01:34 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I'm just glad Marshall is out. They would have set the G5 back 20 years by getting curb-stomped by some mid-tier SEC team. It would have been as bad as Hawaii/Georgia.

Boise State or Colorado State are the best chance of a G5 win in either the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl.

(11-29-2014 09:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 01:34 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I'm just glad Marshall is out. They would have set the G5 back 20 years by getting curb-stomped by some mid-tier SEC team. It would have been as bad as Hawaii/Georgia.

Boise State or Colorado State are the best chance of a G5 win in either the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl.

I think the top of the G5 is better than what people of getting credit for. And the P5 is worse than what people are giving them credit for. No matter if it's Boise, USU, NIU, Marshall, Memphis, or UCF, they'll hang right in with whoever they play.

(11-29-2014 09:37 AM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 01:34 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I'm just glad Marshall is out. They would have set the G5 back 20 years by getting curb-stomped by some mid-tier SEC team. It would have been as bad as Hawaii/Georgia.

Boise State or Colorado State are the best chance of a G5 win in either the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl.

I think the top of the G5 is better than what people of getting credit for. And the P5 is worse than what people are giving them credit for. No matter if it's Boise, USU, NIU, Marshall, Memphis, or UCF, they'll hang right in with whoever they play.

Disagree...Marshall gave up over 60 points at Home to WKU...uh, No...Colorado State, Boise State, Memphis-(played very well against UCLA) and UCF...that pretty much it against a Top 12 P5 School.

(11-29-2014 12:16 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

If not worse? How about a bowling SEC and BIG team? How many P5 schools did Marshall play?

Just going by computer rankings.

I will agree that NIU had a much better OOC schedule.

C-USA is significantly stronger top to bottom this year than the MAC.

NIU's total strength of schedule is similar to Marshall's

(11-29-2014 09:44 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:37 AM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 01:34 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I'm just glad Marshall is out. They would have set the G5 back 20 years by getting curb-stomped by some mid-tier SEC team. It would have been as bad as Hawaii/Georgia.

Boise State or Colorado State are the best chance of a G5 win in either the Peach Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl.

I think the top of the G5 is better than what people of getting credit for. And the P5 is worse than what people are giving them credit for. No matter if it's Boise, USU, NIU, Marshall, Memphis, or UCF, they'll hang right in with whoever they play.

Disagree...Marshall gave up over 60 points at Home to WKU...uh, No...Colorado State, Boise State, Memphis-(played very well against UCLA) and UCF...that pretty much it against a Top 12 P5 School.

We got in a shoot out because of how the first few drives of the game played out. And our defense played softer than I've seen them play in a long time. It's hard to go undefeated. Almost everyone will have more than one game where they slip up. We've had two and we're 1-1 in those games. Anyway, I guess we'll find out this bowl season how the G5/P5 stack up as a whole.

Getting to the access bowl or BCS bowl is an accomplishment even if you get blown out.

Now for a P5 winning the Outback bowl might be better than a blow out Orange Bowl loss.

Marshal could have claimed 8-3 with an access bowl appearance even if they got blown out.

Clemson would rather forget giving up 70 to WVU.

(11-29-2014 12:33 AM)HHHERD Wrote:  I think it ranks like this:

01. Boise's to lose.
02. Utah State- A victory over Boise gives them wins over Boise,Wake(I know they are bad, but P-5),BYU, and Air Force.
03. NIU- Despite two losses they would get in over Marshall as they beat Northwestern. Their two losses were against a P-5 and a 7-5 team.
04. Marshall/UCF (If AAC Champion)- Marshall would be 12-1 and UCF 9-3. The question would be which loss is worse? Marshall to WKU? or UCF to UConn?
05. Memphis- 9-3 but wins against some of the weakest teams in the G-5 and three losses.

I agree with most of this. It is Boise State's to lose (or Utah State's to win).

I think that Marshall/NIU/Memphis are all about the same in the pecking order. UCF's loss to UConn is by far the worst loss of any team in the discussion. It is not comparable to Marshall's loss to WKU.

WKU is 7-5 (with wins vs. Navy, BGSU in addition to Marshall).

Uconn is 2-8 (only 1 FBS win, and won 19-16 vs. Stony Brook). UConn will likely get destroyed by Memphis and then should win vs. SMU to finish 3-9.

(11-29-2014 09:57 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 12:16 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

If not worse? How about a bowling SEC and BIG team? How many P5 schools did Marshall play?

Just going by computer rankings.

I will agree that NIU had a much better OOC schedule.

C-USA is significantly stronger top to bottom this year than the MAC.

NIU's total strength of schedule is similar to Marshall's

Latest Sagarin Conf ratings...

11 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 67.12 66.84 ( 11) 6 66.93 ( 11)
12 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 63.19 62.48 ( 13) 11 62.81 ( 13)
13 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 62.66 62.95 ( 12) 10 62.90 ( 12)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.27 59.76 ( 17) 6 60.57 ( 16)
15 MWC-WEST (A) = 61.02 60.68 ( 15) 6 60.80 ( 15)
16 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 60.43 61.49 ( 14) 7 60.86 ( 14)
17 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 59.49 60.28 ( 16) 6 60.10 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 55.76 55.44 ( 18) 11 55.56 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 54.43 54.60 ( 19) 7 54.56 ( 19)

(11-29-2014 10:04 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:57 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 12:16 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

If not worse? How about a bowling SEC and BIG team? How many P5 schools did Marshall play?

Just going by computer rankings.

I will agree that NIU had a much better OOC schedule.

C-USA is significantly stronger top to bottom this year than the MAC.

NIU's total strength of schedule is similar to Marshall's

Latest Sagarin Conf ratings...

11 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 67.12 66.84 ( 11) 6 66.93 ( 11)
12 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 63.19 62.48 ( 13) 11 62.81 ( 13)
13 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 62.66 62.95 ( 12) 10 62.90 ( 12)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.27 59.76 ( 17) 6 60.57 ( 16)
15 MWC-WEST (A) = 61.02 60.68 ( 15) 6 60.80 ( 15)
16 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 60.43 61.49 ( 14) 7 60.86 ( 14)
17 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 59.49 60.28 ( 16) 6 60.10 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 55.76 55.44 ( 18) 11 55.56 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 54.43 54.60 ( 19) 7 54.56 ( 19)

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

Everyone can cherry pick the computer rankings they like.

I think most agree that this year in the G5

MWC > C-USA > AAC > MAC > Sun Belt

C-USA was 17-4 vs. G5+Indy in OOC this year.

Including 5-0 vs. the MAC.

1. Western Kentucky 59, Bowling Green 31
2. Marshall 42, Miami (OH) 27
3. Old Dominion 17, East Michigan 3
4. Marshall 44, Ohio 14
5. Marshall 48, Akron 17

None of those scores are even competitive really.

NIU very well may get the Access slot, but the committee will have to ignore their conference SOS and focus solely on the OOC. Even then, the loss to Arkansas was not close (UAB played them tougher). I just don't see it. I don't see Marshall getting it either (even before they lost to us). The MWC is going to be rewarded for being the best G5 conference (unless USU/Boise St crap the bed in the CCG).

(11-28-2014 04:06 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I seriously hope the G5 champ does not get blown out or no one will ever hear the end of this.

What about all the times in the past that schools which are now called "G5" blew out that were then called "BCS Auto-bid" teams? People believe what they want to believe anyway.

(11-29-2014 10:38 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 10:04 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 09:57 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(11-29-2014 12:16 AM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

If not worse? How about a bowling SEC and BIG team? How many P5 schools did Marshall play?

Just going by computer rankings.

I will agree that NIU had a much better OOC schedule.

C-USA is significantly stronger top to bottom this year than the MAC.

NIU's total strength of schedule is similar to Marshall's

Latest Sagarin Conf ratings...

11 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 67.12 66.84 ( 11) 6 66.93 ( 11)
12 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 63.19 62.48 ( 13) 11 62.81 ( 13)
13 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 62.66 62.95 ( 12) 10 62.90 ( 12)
14 MAC-WEST (A) = 61.27 59.76 ( 17) 6 60.57 ( 16)
15 MWC-WEST (A) = 61.02 60.68 ( 15) 6 60.80 ( 15)
16 CONFERENCE USA-EAST (A) = 60.43 61.49 ( 14) 7 60.86 ( 14)
17 CONFERENCE USA-WEST (A) = 59.49 60.28 ( 16) 6 60.10 ( 17)
18 SUN BELT (A) = 55.76 55.44 ( 18) 11 55.56 ( 18)
19 MAC-EAST (A) = 54.43 54.60 ( 19) 7 54.56 ( 19)

http://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

Everyone can cherry pick the computer rankings they like.

I think most agree that this year in the G5

MWC > C-USA > AAC > MAC > Sun Belt

C-USA was 17-4 vs. G5+Indy in OOC this year.

Including 5-0 vs. the MAC.

1. Western Kentucky 59, Bowling Green 31
2. Marshall 42, Miami (OH) 27
3. Old Dominion 17, East Michigan 3
4. Marshall 44, Ohio 14
5. Marshall 48, Akron 17

None of those scores are even competitive really.

NIU very well may get the Access slot, but the committee will have to ignore their conference SOS and focus solely on the OOC. Even then, the loss to Arkansas was not close (UAB played them tougher). I just don't see it. I don't see Marshall getting it either (even before they lost to us). The MWC is going to be rewarded for being the best G5 conference (unless USU/Boise St crap the bed in the CCG).

I don 't think that "most" would agree with your ranking of the G5 conferences at all. Some would, no doubt, and many of those would root for C-USA teams. But that being said, I don't see where which G5 conference you belong to when it comes to deciding who gets the nod. Personally, if Boise loses today, then I believe Marshall gets in no matter what anybody else does as long as they win their CCG and finish 12-1.

Frankly, I think many people are assuming that because Marshall played a weak schedule that they are therefore a weak team. That doesn't logically follow, and I don't believe it to be true. I think if you had an eight team tournament of the best G5 teams, Marshall would have as good a chance of winning it as anyone.

If the only two G5 champions with fewer than three losses are 12-1 Marshall and 11-2 NIU, I just can't see anyone jumping both of them.

(11-28-2014 11:40 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:22 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I don't see how Northern Illinois gets it. They have just as bad of a SOS as Marshall (if not worse) and two losses against it.

The entire.AAC has a bad strength of schedule. They're just another G5 conference like the Sun Belt. No way Memphis would get in over NIU..

You obviously are not aware that Memphis's strength of schedule is ranked #113 which is better than NIU's #126. http://www.fbschedules.com/2014/04/2014-...aa-method/