The only reason why MSU would be omitted is because they don't have the track record. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. Everyone knows Bama would be in the playoff if this was started last year, even after blowing that Iron Bowl game. But because MSU hasn't done it year in and year out, they don't get the same benefit. Maybe next year, or until they win a title. It's just stupidity.

I know people want the brand name like OSU, but they almost blew a home game against Indiana of all teams. They have a freshmen QB. I know they bring in ratings, but seriously. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt this year. Going into MSU and beating a Wisconsin team on a neutral field isn't as impressive as the MSU run this year. I don't know how any fan argues otherwise.

(11-24-2014 10:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The only reason why MSU would be omitted is because they don't have the track record. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. Everyone knows Bama would be in the playoff if this was started last year, even after blowing that Iron Bowl game. But because MSU hasn't done it year in and year out, they don't get the same benefit. Maybe next year, or until they win a title. It's just stupidity.

I know people want the brand name like OSU, but they almost blew a home game against Indiana of all teams. They have a freshmen QB. I know they bring in ratings, but seriously. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt this year. Going into MSU and beating a Wisconsin team on a neutral field isn't as impressive as the MSU run this year. I don't know how any fan argues otherwise.

A fan that realizes that Indiana beat the team that is likely going to be in the SEC Championship game.

Do you claim to know everything? I doubt you do. That is how someone argues otherwise, because they know more than you.

The SEC always gets the benefit of the doubt. Stop being a sellout. The SEC West has a lot of strength across the division but it doesn't have any one team that is as dominant as it is used to having. The SEC East is weaker than ever. Yet here you are, Rutgers boy, toting the party line.

So you can either say that the SEC is weak because the team that right now is primed to play Alabama in the SEC Championship LOST to Indiana or you can say that the loss has meaning in regards to Ohio State vs Indiana. You really don't know much at all about the Big Ten and it seems obvious you don't care to. Perhaps you wish that Rutgers would have been left behind in the AAC?

Your argument has holes in it. I don't see how any fan could argue otherwise.

People just want it both ways. If their conference isn't in, it's a broken system. So we need every conference represented and turn this into NCAA tourney II. Or conference champs only. I mean I get it. People want clear cut criteria and gimmicks so there is no ambiguity at the end of the day. So it's, "OSU plays an extra game so they will jump everybody". Just another gimmick to simplify things for fans. How about we let the committee do their jobs and get the best four teams in there? They never promised anything more than that. If they get it wrong, well, we will never know because they can never be proven otherwise (only right should the clubs ranked 5 and below lose their bowl games). The bottom line is, I don't see any need to expand the system until we see 5+ undefeated teams with completely comparable schedules and body of work. That's what this system has assured us. It never promised anything more than an extra BCS round. If fans don't get results they like, it's a broken system. If they get the results, it's a glorious system. As a neutral fan, I'm gonna take this system, because I've stuck with this sport for so long even through the BCS, and now we got something that is 100% better than the BCS. I loved it then and I'm gonna love it a whole lot more now.

I honestly don't care if Ohio State gets in. You say the possibility of Ohio State jumping is a gimmick? Dumb comment, sorry. Ohio State jumped Baylor because Baylor didn't play. The precedent is set. It can happen if the victory is big enough. Well...Ohio State beat #25 ranked Minnesota in that game. Beating Wisconsin would give a similar boost for Ohio State over a team that isn't playing in that final week.

You are saying let the Committee do their job but you didn't say that with your previous post.

(11-25-2014 12:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I honestly don't care if Ohio State gets in. You say the possibility of Ohio State jumping is a gimmick? Dumb comment, sorry. Ohio State jumped Baylor because Baylor didn't play. The precedent is set. It can happen if the victory is big enough. Well...Ohio State beat #25 ranked Minnesota in that game. Beating Wisconsin would give a similar boost for Ohio State over a team that isn't playing in that final week.

You are saying let the Committee do their job but you didn't say that with your previous post.

the key though is where the teams are tomorrow. If Miss St is 2 spots ahead of Ohio St- looking at the rest of the schedule Ole Miss is equal to Michigan and Wisconsin.

(11-25-2014 12:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I honestly don't care if Ohio State gets in. You say the possibility of Ohio State jumping is a gimmick? Dumb comment, sorry. Ohio State jumped Baylor because Baylor didn't play. The precedent is set. It can happen if the victory is big enough. Well...Ohio State beat #25 ranked Minnesota in that game. Beating Wisconsin would give a similar boost for Ohio State over a team that isn't playing in that final week.

You are saying let the Committee do their job but you didn't say that with your previous post.

the key though is where the teams are tomorrow. If Miss St is 2 spots ahead of Ohio St- looking at the rest of the schedule Ole Miss is equal to Michigan and Wisconsin.

Ole Miss isn't even equal to Wisconsin alone. The Wisconsin game will be for a Conference Title. It will be a game pitting two Heisman hopefuls against each other. Sorry, you are wrong. Your overly biased nature against the Big Ten shows. Most folks are now giving them credit. You are still trying to maintain the same arguments people put forward back in week 2.

It's a gimmick because they played a game with the moniker of a "Championship Game". Baylor plays 9 conference games as well, just as much as anybody. They play that weekend. So what if they didn't schedule a Va Tech OOC? It's not going to do enough to significantly boost them over anyone else, unless of course they put up massive style points and the other teams look ugly.

(11-24-2014 08:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU.

You seriously think Ohio State beating Wisconsin is going to get them past TCU, much less Mississippi State?

You do realize that Wisconsin was beaten on a neutral field by LSU, a team that MSS beat and a team that has lost so many SEC West games they have dropped completely from the rankings, right?

And yet the committee is going to be so impressed by an OSU win over Wisconsin (!!!) that they will vault them past TCU and MSS?

All because they moved them past Baylor?

Yep.

Best of luck with that. You must think this committee is nearly brain-dead. Maybe they are?

(11-24-2014 08:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how you are now cropping single lines out of my posts in order to only respond to that.

You mean cropping out substantive, meaningful "lines" like:

"You can deny that all you want and type as much as you want but that little tiny yet very significant fact ruins everything that you have to say."

and

"Enjoy the pie, I will enjoy my "

Yeah, that's "weak" alright. I really missed some key points when I snipped those.

This is where a CCG matters. If O$U wins out, they're in. Assuming the SEC champ (whoever that is) gets in, Miss St is out.

I see the Big12 getting the shaft; otherwise, why should the other conferences keep their CCGs?

Eliminate the divisions, rotate playing 9 other conference members and declare "one true champion". That way, you eliminate the chance for an upset and not making the Top 4.

Again, if O$U wins out, the Top 4 will be: Alabama, Oregon, FSU and O$U.

(11-25-2014 12:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I honestly don't care if Ohio State gets in. You say the possibility of Ohio State jumping is a gimmick? Dumb comment, sorry. Ohio State jumped Baylor because Baylor didn't play. The precedent is set. It can happen if the victory is big enough. Well...Ohio State beat #25 ranked Minnesota in that game. Beating Wisconsin would give a similar boost for Ohio State over a team that isn't playing in that final week.

You are saying let the Committee do their job but you didn't say that with your previous post.

the key though is where the teams are tomorrow. If Miss St is 2 spots ahead of Ohio St- looking at the rest of the schedule Ole Miss is equal to Michigan and Wisconsin.

Ole Miss isn't even equal to Wisconsin alone. The Wisconsin game will be for a Conference Title. It will be a game pitting two Heisman hopefuls against each other. Sorry, you are wrong. Your overly biased nature against the Big Ten shows. Most folks are now giving them credit. You are still trying to maintain the same arguments people put forward back in week 2.

It's tough to take the B1G seriously when the B1G has been bad OOC against other P5.

Essentially, you want teams like Ohio State and Wisconsin to be respected because the past 7-8 weeks they've ripped through a bunch of other B1G teams. Who is Wisconsin's best OOC win, Bowling Green?

I sure hope the committee doesn't agree with you. There's no good reason they should.

(11-24-2014 10:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The only reason why MSU would be omitted is because they don't have the track record. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. Everyone knows Bama would be in the playoff if this was started last year, even after blowing that Iron Bowl game. But because MSU hasn't done it year in and year out, they don't get the same benefit. Maybe next year, or until they win a title. It's just stupidity.

I know people want the brand name like OSU, but they almost blew a home game against Indiana of all teams. They have a freshmen QB. I know they bring in ratings, but seriously. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt this year. Going into MSU and beating a Wisconsin team on a neutral field isn't as impressive as the MSU run this year. I don't know how any fan argues otherwise.

A fan that realizes that Indiana beat the team that is likely going to be in the SEC Championship game..

But fails to realize that LSU beat a team that is likely going to be in the B1G Championship game. Or just ignores it.

(11-25-2014 07:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:12 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I love how you are now cropping single lines out of my posts in order to only respond to that.

You mean cropping out substantive, meaningful "lines" like:

"You can deny that all you want and type as much as you want but that little tiny yet very significant fact ruins everything that you have to say."

and

"Enjoy the pie, I will enjoy my "

Yeah, that's "weak" alright. I really missed some key points when I snipped those.

No, not like those. Nice try though, again. So very weak.

(11-25-2014 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 12:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I honestly don't care if Ohio State gets in. You say the possibility of Ohio State jumping is a gimmick? Dumb comment, sorry. Ohio State jumped Baylor because Baylor didn't play. The precedent is set. It can happen if the victory is big enough. Well...Ohio State beat #25 ranked Minnesota in that game. Beating Wisconsin would give a similar boost for Ohio State over a team that isn't playing in that final week.

You are saying let the Committee do their job but you didn't say that with your previous post.

the key though is where the teams are tomorrow. If Miss St is 2 spots ahead of Ohio St- looking at the rest of the schedule Ole Miss is equal to Michigan and Wisconsin.

Ole Miss isn't even equal to Wisconsin alone. The Wisconsin game will be for a Conference Title. It will be a game pitting two Heisman hopefuls against each other. Sorry, you are wrong. Your overly biased nature against the Big Ten shows. Most folks are now giving them credit. You are still trying to maintain the same arguments people put forward back in week 2.

It's tough to take the B1G seriously when the B1G has been bad OOC against other P5.

Essentially, you want teams like Ohio State and Wisconsin to be respected because the past 7-8 weeks they've ripped through a bunch of other B1G teams. Who is Wisconsin's best OOC win, Bowling Green?

I sure hope the committee doesn't agree with you. There's no good reason they should.

It isn't about the Committee agreeing with me simpleton, it is about me simply looking at what the Committee does with their rankings and then forming my argument around that. What you do is form your argument and then falsely represent or completely ignore what the Committee does with it's rankings.

Big difference.

As I said, Ohio State jumped Baylor after beating #25 Minnesota. Baylor had beaten #4 TCU.

Enough said. You can keep on throwing a tantrum in attempt to deny that very obvious fact. But it is a fact. Ohio State jumped a team that had beaten a team higher ranked then them.

The #4 ranking of MSU wont stop OSU from jumping them later. I am sorry if that will offend your SEC fanaticism but TFB.

(11-25-2014 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:02 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ohio State passed Baylor when Baylor didn't play. Ohio State's win over Wisconsin will earn them the same action over TCU and MSU.

You seriously think Ohio State beating Wisconsin is going to get them past TCU, much less Mississippi State?

You do realize that Wisconsin was beaten on a neutral field by LSU, a team that MSS beat and a team that has lost so many SEC West games they have dropped completely from the rankings, right?

And yet the committee is going to be so impressed by an OSU win over Wisconsin (!!!) that they will vault them past TCU and MSS?

All because they moved them past Baylor?

Yep.

Best of luck with that. You must think this committee is nearly brain-dead. Maybe they are?

Oh, now the committee is brain dead? You are so desperate to "win". Pathetic.

(11-25-2014 07:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:51 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The only reason why MSU would be omitted is because they don't have the track record. They don't get the benefit of the doubt. Everyone knows Bama would be in the playoff if this was started last year, even after blowing that Iron Bowl game. But because MSU hasn't done it year in and year out, they don't get the same benefit. Maybe next year, or until they win a title. It's just stupidity.

I know people want the brand name like OSU, but they almost blew a home game against Indiana of all teams. They have a freshmen QB. I know they bring in ratings, but seriously. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt this year. Going into MSU and beating a Wisconsin team on a neutral field isn't as impressive as the MSU run this year. I don't know how any fan argues otherwise.

A fan that realizes that Indiana beat the team that is likely going to be in the SEC Championship game..

But fails to realize that LSU beat a team that is likely going to be in the B1G Championship game. Or just ignores it.

Yeah and the #1 team in the Nation barely beat LSU. In fact, LSU pretty much handed them the game. You always seem to try to only present half the facts. Just accept reality already. Has the SEC brainwashing really sunk that deep?

(11-24-2014 02:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think TCU has a shot at #4 IF they end up as sole winner of the Big 12 by beating UT and BU dropping their finale to KSU

If that happen, TCU and KSU would still be 'co-champions'. There is no tie breaker according to the Big 12 commish. Both would have only 1 conference loss.

I wouldn't say that Missouri is likely going to be in the SEC Championship game. Think Arkansas likely beats them.

(11-24-2014 08:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:38 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Some of these statements in this thread are ridiculous. VT didn't "blow out" OSU. I was at the game, the game was in question until the pick 6. The VT team that beat OSU isn't the same one playing now. I think there have been something like 22 injuries. VT could probably have been considered above average at the beginning of the season but they are horrible now.

LIES!

Get back in line with the properly approved Anti Big Ten rhetoric. Do you not consider yourself a proper Southern Gentleman?

This is War damn it!!!! We must win!!!!


Sorry....I ate some of Quo's pie. Some really bad stuff.


For the record, the Ohio State team that played in that game is not the same Ohio State team that is playing now.

You're saying the name of the conference wrong. It's the Conference of Northern Aggression.

(11-25-2014 09:06 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I think TCU has a shot at #4 IF they end up as sole winner of the Big 12 by beating UT and BU dropping their finale to KSU

If that happen, TCU and KSU would still be 'co-champions'. There is no tie breaker according to the Big 12 commish. Both would have only 1 conference loss.

Good point, though as far as the playoff is concerned its almost the same thing since KSU cant make up enough ground to get back into contention at this point anyway and would make TCU the clear cut choice from the B12