http://news.yahoo.com/robot-sub-finds-su...03215.html

More proof that James Hansen's shtick isn't science. And neither is that of the people who cling to his every catastrophic word.

Damn, who'da thunk it. Wonder what kind of spin Al gore will come up with now? If these clowns were just honest and said "we shouldn't pollute and wreck where we live and need to cut pollutants whenever we can" I'd willing to listen a whole lot more than their lying, fear mongering.

Australia had a hotter than usual summer. Thus, Australia hot summer > Arctic ice measurement.

(11-24-2014 02:21 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Damn, who'da thunk it. Wonder what kind of spin Al gore will come up with now? If these clowns were just honest and said "we shouldn't pollute and wreck where we live and need to cut pollutants whenever we can" I'd willing to listen a whole lot more than their lying, fear mongering.

I agree. I've always said that the arguments made by the AGW crowd are absurd. But ever since the the book 'Silent Spring' was successful in banning DDT, fearmorgering has been the go to tactic of environmentalists. Honestly, it's insulting to everyone's intelligence.

All they had to say was this. 'While we are unsure of the long term effects man via industrialization has had on the planet, prudence demands that we be good stewards and take reasonable steps to ensure that the resources currently enjoyed today are there for future generations to do the same.'

(11-24-2014 03:53 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I've always said that the arguments made by the AGW crowd are absurd. But ever since the the book 'Silent Spring' was successful in banning DDT.

Banning DDT should be classified as a crime against humanity and Rachel Carson should not be discussed in a positive manner.

(11-25-2014 09:10 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:53 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I've always said that the arguments made by the AGW crowd are absurd. But ever since the the book 'Silent Spring' was successful in banning DDT.

Banning DDT should be classified as a crime against humanity and Rachel Carson should not be discussed in a positive manner.

If that's how you feel then I'm sure this will really chap your hide.

Can't be true according to the Huff Post???

Quote:Melting ice

The Antarctic Peninsula, only a few days' sea voyage from South America, is changing particularly quickly. The area surrounding the peninsula's Palmer Station, run by U.S. researchers, is experiencing the fastest winter warming of any place on Earth, and 87 percent of the peninsula's land-bound glaciers are in retreat, according to research cited on the station's website. [Album: Stunning Photos of Antarctic Ice]

In some areas of the Antarctic Ocean, sea ice is absent three months longer than it was a few decades ago. "The foundation of the ecosystem is melting away," said Hugh Ducklow, a biological oceanographer at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, Mass., who wasn't involved with the study. For example, loss of sea ice has hurt the Adelie penguin, which lives on the ice; its populations have decreased by 80 percent since 1975. Krill in the area (a primary food source for Adelies) also have decreased by 80 percent since 1991, according to a 2011 study in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12...69023.html

(11-25-2014 09:31 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If that's how you feel then I'm sure this will really chap your hide.

Man, I was having a good morning. Just finished eating some hashbrowns, the coffee was hot....

Then, BAM!

Seriously, I am motivated "environmentally" by two things - supporting technology to provide clean drinking water, and using DDT to eliminate mosquito borne disease. It angers the hell out of me that bird eggs are more important to environmentalists that kids dying from malaria.

(11-25-2014 09:39 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 09:31 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If that's how you feel then I'm sure this will really chap your hide.

Man, I was having a good morning. Just finished eating some hashbrowns, the coffee was hot....

Then, BAM!

Seriously, I am motivated "environmentally" by two things - supporting technology to provide clean drinking water, and using DDT to eliminate mosquito borne disease. It angers the hell out of me that bird eggs are more important to environmentalists that kids dying from malaria.

In these peoples' calculus, there are too many folks on the planet anyway. Sorry for ruining your breakfast.

Last week, an article in the Buffalo News blamed global warming for the 7' of snow. The logic, cold air temperatures crossing the warmer Lake Erie water. The implication was that Lake Erie was warmer than usual.

Yet an easy check of the NOAA data base shows that for November 18th (the day of the storm) Lake Erie had an average temp of 46 degrees, which is two degrees colder than the average from 1932.

Don't let your agenda get in the way of facts.

(11-25-2014 10:43 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Last week, an article in the Buffalo News blamed global warming for the 7' of snow. The logic, cold air temperatures crossing the warmer Lake Erie water. The implication was that Lake Erie was warmer than usual.

Yet an easy check of the NOAA data base shows that for November 18th (the day of the storm) Lake Erie had an average temp of 46 degrees, which is two degrees colder than the average from 1932.

Don't let your agenda get in the way of facts.

Great Lakes have been much colder than usual, that's what the high ice coverage proved (science is hard).

There were some links to past articles suggesting that AGW would reduce lake effect snow, but they weren't as explicit as the person who compiled the list was suggesting.

Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

(11-24-2014 02:21 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Damn, who'da thunk it. Wonder what kind of spin Al gore will come up with now? If these clowns were just honest and said "we shouldn't pollute and wreck where we live and need to cut pollutants whenever we can" I'd willing to listen a whole lot more than their lying, fear mongering.

Yup +1000

(11-25-2014 11:21 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

I understand the psyche of the right.....but it's just silly to isolate an event and poo-poo a century+ of data coupled with a millennia of data

it's the cause/effect that is the question.....it's not absurd to use co2/industrial revolution in concurrence with the changes that are evolving....

regardless, I'll be dead and really don't care.....but to argue something inarguable is silly in the world I choose to live in....

I'm just laugh at the lot of ya continuing to argue about things you really don't understand....

What causes global warming? answer ...... people (in Al Gore's mind).

Reduce population and you'll solve your global warming!

(11-25-2014 02:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:21 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

I understand the psyche of the right.....but it's just silly to isolate an event and poo-poo a century+ of data coupled with a millennia of data

it's the cause/effect that is the question.....it's not absurd to use co2/industrial revolution in concurrence with the changes that are evolving....

regardless, I'll be dead and really don't care.....but to argue something inarguable is silly in the world I choose to live in....

I'm just laugh at the lot of ya continuing to argue about things you really don't understand....

And I'm laughing at the lot of ya, continuing to argue against positions you clearly don't understand... while claiming that the historically predictive models are all incredibly accurate, despite the incredible inaccuracy of the current predictive ones built upon the same assumptions.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't think man contributes to 'climate change'... That we change (usually in bad ways) our environment.... and just as the comments that most people have agreed with, if the position of the left were that we should be better stewards of the environment, you'd get virtually no significant push back...

but that isn't the position. Instead, it's that we need to fund essentially unlimited research into trying to solve a problem that we can't even accurately identify, much less project to correct.

As has been alluded to, among the 'best' solutions to 'save the planet' would be to lower the population, to stop building cities and bridges and homes or mining for rare minerals and to decrease the cattle, particularly feeder cattle population... and to discourage people from living in the north in the winter OR the south in the summer...

These would do FAR more than increasing epa fuel economy standards

yet NONE of those things get proposed.

(11-25-2014 03:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:21 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

I understand the psyche of the right.....but it's just silly to isolate an event and poo-poo a century+ of data coupled with a millennia of data

it's the cause/effect that is the question.....it's not absurd to use co2/industrial revolution in concurrence with the changes that are evolving....

regardless, I'll be dead and really don't care.....but to argue something inarguable is silly in the world I choose to live in....

I'm just laugh at the lot of ya continuing to argue about things you really don't understand....

And I'm laughing at the lot of ya, continuing to argue against positions you clearly don't understand... while claiming that the historically predictive models are all incredibly accurate, despite the incredible inaccuracy of the current predictive ones built upon the same assumptions.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't think man contributes to 'climate change'... That we change (usually in bad ways) our environment.... and just as the comments that most people have agreed with, if the position of the left were that we should be better stewards of the environment, you'd get virtually no significant push back...

but that isn't the position. Instead, it's that we need to fund essentially unlimited research into trying to solve a problem that we can't even accurately identify, much less project to correct.

As has been alluded to, among the 'best' solutions to 'save the planet' would be to lower the population, to stop building cities and bridges and homes or mining for rare minerals and to decrease the cattle, particularly feeder cattle population... and to discourage people from living in the north in the winter OR the south in the summer...

These would do FAR more than increasing epa fuel economy standards

yet NONE of those things get proposed.

I have on many an occasion mentioned the 'lack of' understanding regarding this topic.....I'm not sure where you thought I was talking about relative to 'understanding'....

I agree 'we' don't know.....I think the entire concept relative to normal thinking is silly....however, it is pretty silly to discount applied science as a heuristic

I think we agree for the most part and am hardly a leftist..,,

outside of what the planet needs, man has created the 'economical' environment.....the rest is just living on a body of water that can support life....humans are irrelevant to scope of being....

(11-25-2014 03:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:21 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

I understand the psyche of the right.....but it's just silly to isolate an event and poo-poo a century+ of data coupled with a millennia of data

it's the cause/effect that is the question.....it's not absurd to use co2/industrial revolution in concurrence with the changes that are evolving....

regardless, I'll be dead and really don't care.....but to argue something inarguable is silly in the world I choose to live in....

I'm just laugh at the lot of ya continuing to argue about things you really don't understand....

And I'm laughing at the lot of ya, continuing to argue against positions you clearly don't understand... while claiming that the historically predictive models are all incredibly accurate, despite the incredible inaccuracy of the current predictive ones built upon the same assumptions.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't think man contributes to 'climate change'... That we change (usually in bad ways) our environment.... and just as the comments that most people have agreed with, if the position of the left were that we should be better stewards of the environment, you'd get virtually no significant push back...

but that isn't the position. Instead, it's that we need to fund essentially unlimited research into trying to solve a problem that we can't even accurately identify, much less project to correct.

As has been alluded to, among the 'best' solutions to 'save the planet' would be to lower the population, to stop building cities and bridges and homes or mining for rare minerals and to decrease the cattle, particularly feeder cattle population... and to discourage people from living in the north in the winter OR the south in the summer...

These would do FAR more than increasing epa fuel economy standards

yet NONE of those things get proposed.

I don't think anyone can argue with you on those proposals.

How do we as humans decrease population? War, desease, lower birth rate, birth rate at a later age in women etc.

(11-25-2014 03:28 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 11:21 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Snowing in New Jersey for the forth consecutive year before Thanksgiving. Al Gore can you please state where it's getting warmer? My feet are cold

I understand the psyche of the right.....but it's just silly to isolate an event and poo-poo a century+ of data coupled with a millennia of data

it's the cause/effect that is the question.....it's not absurd to use co2/industrial revolution in concurrence with the changes that are evolving....

regardless, I'll be dead and really don't care.....but to argue something inarguable is silly in the world I choose to live in....

I'm just laugh at the lot of ya continuing to argue about things you really don't understand....

And I'm laughing at the lot of ya, continuing to argue against positions you clearly don't understand... while claiming that the historically predictive models are all incredibly accurate, despite the incredible inaccuracy of the current predictive ones built upon the same assumptions.

I don't know of ANYONE who doesn't think man contributes to 'climate change'... That we change (usually in bad ways) our environment.... and just as the comments that most people have agreed with, if the position of the left were that we should be better stewards of the environment, you'd get virtually no significant push back...

but that isn't the position. Instead, it's that we need to fund essentially unlimited research into trying to solve a problem that we can't even accurately identify, much less project to correct.

As has been alluded to, among the 'best' solutions to 'save the planet' would be to lower the population, to stop building cities and bridges and homes or mining for rare minerals and to decrease the cattle, particularly feeder cattle population... and to discourage people from living in the north in the winter OR the south in the summer...

These would do FAR more than increasing epa fuel economy standards

yet NONE of those things get proposed.

I don't think anyone can argue with you on those proposals.

How do we as humans decrease population? War, desease, lower birth rate, birth rate at a later age in women etc.

population control from a centric oligarchic view is the ONLY option worth pursuing....it's already happening.....

the resulting resistance only has one option.....it ain't hollywood shite.....

(11-24-2014 02:06 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/robot-sub-finds-su...03215.html

More proof that James Hansen's shtick isn't science. And neither is that of the people who cling to his every catastrophic word.

Global warming is fluctuating the jet stream..and this means cold air is coming furhter south, and ice is thicker on great lakes, and snow covers a record amount of the country...earlier than ever.

It is all because of global warming... (and racism)