http://www.forbes.com/pictures/fiei45ghj...f-memphis/

I disagree. I would say he is top five in the county.

This should be fun......

Dayum 17th in the county? I'm guessing the CBU guy is number 1 then

I put about has much stock into that ranking as I would Sporting News ranking the top corporations in America.

Things must be slow as always on the uab board.

Interesting names on that list. Kermit Davis, Dave Paulsen, Randy Bennett, Randy Rahe, Archie Miller, Keith Dambrot, Steves Pickiell and Prohm.

Also, it uses the RPI which we all know is simply awful.

I guess a better way would be to take Tourney wins each year divisible by salary and get cost per tourney win? Top coaches would be Cal(?), Cuonzo, etc. from last year. Cal and Coach K make so much= a very high cost per win.

Pastner makes more than Roy Williams?

Look, I think about 156% of the criticism of Pastner comes from the fact that he is a good and potentially great coach who is paid like a coach who is among the very best in the country. If his salary were a little lower, more in line with his resume, much of the criticism would die down I feel.

This is not a diss on Pastner. It is possible he will be worth every penny paid one day (which is why he is paid accordingly, it's investing in a coach that the powers that be feel could be very great), but to put him on a pound for point dollar list doesn't feel right at all.

I don't begrudge him a penny. Get whatever compensation you can in life. But saying he provided the 17th best value out of the 300+ D1 coaches when he is paid #9 in country (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...ball/coach) but hasn't made the top 16 in the dance seems odd.

Pastner is a good to potentially great coach being paid like an Elite Eight coach. I can't understand this list.

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Of course, at some point he might pay off his considerable promise and be worth twice this. Who knows?

Only lesson? As always, I don't know jack.

I'm begging you all to take the above post as intended for once. Saying Pastner is overcompensated for results delivered is NOT NOT NOT the same as saying he is a bad coach. He is NOT a bad or even average coach. His floor is a good coach and his ceiling is fairly unlimited.

But we live in a results based world. His compensation is based on his considerable potential and not his impressive, but not top 10, results. It's not an insult to make that connection and certainly even speaks well of him (the powers that be want to pay him this way to lock him up during development).

If he made, say 1.4M, I think his criticism would be far less in all corners. That is the only point to above. His salary doesn't come out of my (small) pocket, so I have little to absolutely no say in that and I am very cool with that.

It's funny, we're almost exactly the same age and started our 'businesses' at almost exactly the same time. I'm shocked that I am allowed to be in charge of anything, especially an internationally published architecture firm, b/c a guy in his mid-30s is generally still figuring things out. Coaching, like architecture, has a learning curve. I expect Pastner's best is yet to come...

(11-24-2014 12:41 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Pastner makes more than Roy Williams?

Look, I think about 156% of the criticism of Pastner comes from the fact that he is a good and potentially great coach who is paid like a coach who is among the very best in the country. If his salary were a little lower, more in line with his resume, much of the criticism would die down I feel.

This is not a diss on Pastner. It is possible he will be worth every penny paid one day (which is why he is paid accordingly, it's investing in a coach that the powers that be feel could be very great), but to put him on a pound for point dollar list doesn't feel right at all.

I don't begrudge him a penny. Get whatever compensation you can in life. But saying he provided the 17th best value out of the 300+ D1 coaches when he is paid #9 in country (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...ball/coach) but hasn't made the top 16 in the dance seems odd.

Pastner is a good to potentially great coach being paid like an Elite Eight coach. I can't understand this list.

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Of course, at some point he might pay off his considerable promise and be worth twice this. Who knows?

Only lesson? As always, I don't know jack.

If you think Josh makes more than Williams in TOTAL compensation, you should follow a little more closely.

(11-24-2014 02:57 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 12:41 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Pastner makes more than Roy Williams?

Look, I think about 156% of the criticism of Pastner comes from the fact that he is a good and potentially great coach who is paid like a coach who is among the very best in the country. If his salary were a little lower, more in line with his resume, much of the criticism would die down I feel.

This is not a diss on Pastner. It is possible he will be worth every penny paid one day (which is why he is paid accordingly, it's investing in a coach that the powers that be feel could be very great), but to put him on a pound for point dollar list doesn't feel right at all.

I don't begrudge him a penny. Get whatever compensation you can in life. But saying he provided the 17th best value out of the 300+ D1 coaches when he is paid #9 in country (http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries...ball/coach) but hasn't made the top 16 in the dance seems odd.

Pastner is a good to potentially great coach being paid like an Elite Eight coach. I can't understand this list.

>>>>>

Of course, at some point he might pay off his considerable promise and be worth twice this. Who knows?

Only lesson? As always, I don't know jack.

If you think Josh makes more than Williams in TOTAL compensation, you should follow a little more closely.

Understood, using the Forbes # and USA today numbers. I don't doubt ole Roy has other compensation sources.

USA T has Pastner at 9 and ole Roy in the early 20s.

No worries, both are good coaches.

Shelby County has a lot of coaches.

(11-24-2014 12:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Dayum 17th in the county? I'm guessing the CBU guy is number 1 then

Wrong... The Reach Your Dreams academy coach takes the top spot.

By my calculations Coach K and Cal must get to Elite 8 (3 wins) every year and Josh must win one game to make cost per victory equal. Based on TOTAL compensation.

(11-24-2014 11:55 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  I disagree. I would say he is top five in the county.

Hows saving your football program going

(11-24-2014 03:17 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Shelby County has a lot of coaches.

Good point, Josh may be 17th best in Shelby County. May be a stretch, but we will go with that.

Pastner is Tic Price bad, and i think he is worse. There have been alot of posts on this board saying this is the worst since the Tic Price era. Honestly when i think of that era, i think of Omar Sneed, who epitomized heart. I think of Ousley and Detric Golden.

Pastner has got to be one of the 17 worst coaches in CBB. I truly love Tiger basketball, and this may be an extreme example, but it feels similar to having my daughter date a boy that is terrible for her... And im extremely protective of my daughter. Memphis basketball belongs to all of us, and i hope everyone puts their energy into seeing Pastner fired. Hes a good guy but he isnt good enough for Tiger basketball

(11-24-2014 04:13 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  By my calculations Coach K and Cal must get to Elite 8 (3 wins) every year and Josh must win one game to make cost per victory equal. Based on TOTAL compensation.

I would say that late wins mean more in exposure, pedigree, etc, but I do get what you are laying down.

Comparison works both ways as well however, many do less with more (not just Pastner, but other money heavy weights).

It's just interesting is all.

(11-24-2014 05:02 PM)alcalde Wrote:  Pastner is Tic Price bad, and i think he is worse. There have been alot of posts on this board saying this is the worst since the Tic Price era. Honestly when i think of that era, i think of Omar Sneed, who epitomized heart. I think of Ousley and Detric Golden.

Pastner has got to be one of the 17 worst coaches in CBB. I truly love Tiger basketball, and this may be an extreme example, but it feels similar to having my daughter date a boy that is terrible for her... And im extremely protective of my daughter. Memphis basketball belongs to all of us, and i hope everyone puts their energy into seeing Pastner fired. Hes a good guy but he isnt good enough for Tiger basketball

1. Tic Price wasn't a terrible coach, just not a good one.
2. We are NOT Tic Price bad. Tic finished .500 and NIT, Pastner has been to the dance as a year in, year out participant.

If you don't think Pastner is currently good enough to be the HC of the UofM, that is your opinion that you are absolutely entitled to, but Pastner is far more successful than Tic was, I don't see that comparison.

And heck, I don't hate Tic Price really. He just wasn't the man for this job (and had some other extra issues we don't need to rehash on a family board…)

I'm not 100% sold on Pastner as the answer, but I'll take him over Tic Price every day of the week.