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WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Heard PJ this morning on WBBL... some good commentary in there... specifically the comment PJ makes about "not being close to his vision yet for this program... wins are nice, but he has a long way to go". Another tell, for where he see's himself in his career ladder...
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skin...&f=3664153
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2014 03:35 PM by flushtheherd.)
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Enjoyed that, thanks for posting.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
I'm going to overlook the part of the interview where he talks about the mediocre football history at WMU.
I don't think he really means it the way it sounds. But I do wish he'd stop saying it, or rephrase it to some more positive framework.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
He was right on with his mediocre comment.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 02:01 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: I'm going to overlook the part of the interview where he talks about the mediocre football history at WMU.
I don't think he really means it the way it sounds. But I do wish he'd stop saying it, or rephrase it to some more positive framework.
I wish he would phrase it more like "mediocre winning tradition"... because that is full on accurate... there has never been a tradition of winning at WMU... we have always been middle of the road to slightly better than average on most occasions... that defines mediocre in my book...
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Quote:He was right on with his mediocre comment.
I agree. It has been mediocre. Hey, some people are fine with that as long as they're warm & fuzzy in their blanket of old-school traditions (see old-man-in-hat-as-HC analogy).
Mediocre isn't a slam. That is what we had under Cubit. And from beginning to end, under Darnell. An overall mediocre stretch doesn't mean you just have 6-6/7-5 seasons. You have Below mediocre and you have above mediocre balancing things out -- and of course a healthy dose of mediocre in there, too.
Quote:I wish he would phrase it more like "mediocre winning tradition"
Yeah, I can see that. I think that was implied -- the winning part -- as everything's about winning and how you stand in the MAC/MAC-West.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 02:01 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: I'm going to overlook the part of the interview where he talks about the mediocre football history at WMU.
I don't think he really means it the way it sounds. But I do wish he'd stop saying it, or rephrase it to some more positive framework.
Tomato, tomatoes', nitpicking.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Mediocre is not just about winning. It is about how you carry yourself, your pride in school, your career after football, etc.
It's not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game.
Having said that, I've seen lots of awesome wins, and more winning seasons than losing seasons.
The worst losing season I ever saw came under Fleck. So there is that. And so far, he is way under a .500 coach. Basically if you're going by stats, he's mediocre at this point. Pot calling the kettle black.
I do love the guy and think he is destined for greatness. I just wish he could stick a cork in that mediocre crap. It offends me and everything I've seen and supported since 1965.
To repeat, I don't think he means it the way it sounds.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Quote:Mediocre is not just about winning. It is about how you carry yourself, your pride in school, your career after football, etc.
It's not whether you win or lose, its how you play the game.
I don't agree with that. I would think that would require a descriptor to 'mediocre' to angle it toward that. By default, I think if someone says "General-U has a mediocre football program" -- it's not Purely about winning -- it's about fan-base, attendance, bowl entries, championship game entries, and of course winning % which all that draws from to a big degree.
If that's mediocre but there's things that do Stand Out -- and I mean more than slightly above average -- like a massive fan base, a huge GPA ranking requirement to be on the team that no other team has, etc -- then I understand wanting to add something to that like "winning".
But if the football program isn't standing out as Elite, and it isn't standing out as Bad -- what is it? Mediocre. It's a general term covering a Majority of teams out there. He wants to go Above being over .500 every year -- which merely that would still be in mediocre range -- he wants to make it "Elite".
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Dirty Ernie
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Just to be clear, are you saying the thousands of WMU football players, and all of those teams, were mediocre?
I guess you are. I forgive you, but you'll NEVER convince me of that. Period.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 03:45 PM)Dirty Ernie Wrote: So far, he is way under a .500 coach. Basically if you're going by stats, he's mediocre at this point.
I think P.J. would actually agree with you on this.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Quote:Just to be clear, are you saying the thousands of WMU football players, and all of those teams, were mediocre?
No, I'm not. :) Zoom Out and look at the bigger picture. That's what the comment's about. Not every player, not every team over the last 25 years has been "mediocre". That's not required for the bigger picture as a whole to be lumped in with the "mediocre".
It's not a knock to say a program's mediocre. You can be a bit above par and still be, in the grand scheme of things, a mediocre ball-club. It's also what you're measuring it against:
a) What is *the* goal to attain
b) Who are you comparing it to
His goal to attain is HIGH. Elite. NIU status. Boise Status. And who are we compared to? Viable, competitive mid-major programs. In the grand scheme of things, yes, we've been mediocre. We've had some up years, we've had our down years. We've had positives beating some P5 teams and going to the MACC a few times... we've had our negatives having real bad seasons & never winning a bowl or MACC since '88.
If there's tons of room for improvement & betterment, you general fit the mold as mediocre in the general sense.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
I get in my golf cart once a week and drive around campus talking to students and handing out twenty five t shirts.
That's brilliant. Just like the taking off the kids MSu gear and giving him his shirt.
In the marketing biz there's a think called gross ratings points. I means, it doesn't matter how many people actually use a coupon that is dropped in a circular, it's about how many people look at it.
Maybe he only talks to 30 students and hands out some t shirts. But that story gets told twenty different ways on twitter, facebook, emails, and in conversation. That's a lot of free advertising.
This guy has more marketing skills than our g damn marketing department.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 02:04 PM)Bada Bingo Wrote: He was right on with his mediocre comment.
Just like that 1-11 season and the worst lost in program history to Nicholls St led by PJ Fleck.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Coach did say...."Mediocre over time."
That sounds accurate. Broncos have certainly had their moments and great players and super coaches over time.
However, it would be difficult to say we were an exceptional program over time.
Hey! We all love Western. GO BRONCOS!! BEAT NIU.
Row the Boat!!!
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
I like that we are on a positive up slope right now. Very exciting.
I just don't see the need to keep making those references. I'm OK with positive outlooks.
"We are working hard every day with the goal of getting a new best every day, and we'd like to see this program go to levels it's never been". I'm fine with that. Referring to our tradition as mediocre is not necessary, and in my view, not true. Even if he sees it that way, what does he gain by demeaning all those teams and players from the past? Maybe they had challenges to deal with, just like he did last year. Ever hear of Judy Bailey for instance? Now that was mediocre.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
Hadn't heard this before the interview and I think it's huge:
Leadership Council - 19 players that meet with the coaching staff every week, including Franklin. That's the foundation for growth and learning how to mature and act like a team full of seniors. Impressive.
Side note... listening to him talk about WMU in general - he's a hell of a spokesman for Kalamazoo and our university.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 07:17 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: I get in my golf cart once a week and drive around campus talking to students and handing out twenty five t shirts.
That's brilliant. Just like the taking off the kids MSu gear and giving him his shirt.
In the marketing biz there's a think called gross ratings points. I means, it doesn't matter how many people actually use a coupon that is dropped in a circular, it's about how many people look at it.
Maybe he only talks to 30 students and hands out some t shirts. But that story gets told twenty different ways on twitter, facebook, emails, and in conversation. That's a lot of free advertising.
This guy has more marketing skills than our g damn marketing department.
I love that too. If he does that regularly, that’s awesome. I remember when Blashil became hockey coach he made great efforts to get students involved more, and passionate about the program. Particularly at a MAC school, building student and fan appeal is big.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-24-2014 07:27 PM)WMU83 Wrote: (11-24-2014 02:04 PM)Bada Bingo Wrote: He was right on with his mediocre comment.
Just like that 1-11 season and the worst lost in program history to Nicholls St led by PJ Fleck.
IMHO, the worst loss was to CMU in 2000 because of the expectations and magnitude. Lost pride, respect, confidence and a top 25 ranking.
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RE: WBBL - Fleck interview podcast from today.
(11-25-2014 12:49 PM)stdatwmu Wrote: Hadn't heard this before the interview and I think it's huge:
Leadership Council - 19 players that meet with the coaching staff every week, including Franklin. That's the foundation for growth and learning how to mature and act like a team full of seniors. Impressive.
Side note... listening to him talk about WMU in general - he's a hell of a spokesman for Kalamazoo and our university.
Leadership council was something I was on during my playing days. We had a team council and a athletic department wide council. It was pretty cool. These are pretty standard in many programs.
I would follow PJ 24/7 to make some great tv.
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