(11-24-2014 01:48 PM)banker Wrote:  And no G5 will be ranked by the committee in the top 8. Boise and TCU were ranked in the top 8 by traditional polls and computers, but that won't happen with the committee. You guys seem to miss the fact that no G5 team is even in the top 25 and the committee ranking is now influencing the AP and Coaches polls.

At max there are 4 more seats at the table. I would guess that UCF, BYU, Boise and Houston/Cincinnati have the best shot at those. Everyone else will accept their reality sooner or later. Once that reality is accepted the remaining G5 teams can get on with doing what's best for them, realigning conferences that make geographic sense and negotiating TV contracts and a playoff as a group in order to maximize exposure and money.

How do you figure the committee is influencing the AP, and Coaches poll? Both CSU and Boise moved up.

(11-24-2014 05:48 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This is where I think people are wrong. They can keep us out of a 8 team playoff but not a 16. UCF was ranked in the top 15 before going to the Fiesta. Boise St, TCU, Utah, NIU and others have all gone to BCS type games when ranked inside the top 15.

I think a clause stating that a conference champ ranked in the top 16 automatically gets an invite is the best way to go. Who knows, there might be a year when the MWC and AAC both have a team in the top 15.

There was a poll done by all FBS coaches and majority wanted 8. Some wanted P5 champions and 3 at large bids, while others wanted P5 champions, 2 at large bids, and the G5 champion.

Aren't the bowls basically the NIT already?

(11-24-2014 06:49 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Aren't the bowls basically the NIT already?

Do you think any P5 teams would play any of us again? If your not trying to compete against the best or even strive for that level, then why even do it?

(11-24-2014 03:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 01:51 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 01:21 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 12:57 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 12:49 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  And that's why the best hope for G5 teams is an invite to a P5 conference. Every one of our ADs knows that.

Agreed. If they go to 8, then I think the G5 get one spot but that is years away.

I don't. It'll expand to 8 because of dissatisfaction voiced by P5s. I mean the G5s have no leverage in this matter. I think they'll just take the top 8 ranked teams.

Cemented?! Really?! Not like it isn't already cemented. No G5 team wil ever, ever, ever make even an 8 team playoff. The M5 will just take the winner, ND, and the highest ranked CCG runner-ups. It is already cemented in terms of access. And we will get a chance at an Access Bowl...hooray!

I'm saying if they are locked into a 10 year contract, then put together an All-inclusive playoff. Give highest seeds home field advantage for the first two round and they will make more money per team that the Money-losing BCS bowls. The championship would be just as legit with a 11-1 team battling another 11-1 team as it would in the CFB Champ Game. And you have ten years to get traction.

And who is watching this new thing???

Do you really think that if there were some undiscovered body of CFB fans out there to be tapped, they wouldn't already be doing this? Here's the hard truth: even if you could concretely get EVERY "g5" fan to watch...whether their favorite team was in or not...that number is still eclipsed by the fans who will be watching the CFP-CG. And you know what will ACTUALLY happen...fans of G5 teams will NOT watch when their team is not playing and will instead watch the CFP instead, leaving almost NO eyes on your new game.

So if Miss state, OU, USC, Clemson, and Michigan all missed out on the 4 team playoff and were conference winners or runner ups and they were thrown into a draw with the G5 conference winners and 6 other Top 25 teams you are saying nobody would watch? Really!? Nobody?
I think it would be a huge draw showcasing teams at least as good as the 4 team CFB, and at least 5 david v Goliath matchups...and nobody will watch? You are a hard sell.

(11-24-2014 11:27 AM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  even if the Current CFB expands to 16 teams, no G5 team will have a shot at the NC...ever. Just like the BCS days.

Right now there are already teams complaining about being left out of the Top 4 (and these are all Money5 conference teams). So why doesn't Aresco get with his TV buddies and propose a 16 team NIT College Playoffs. It will include:
Every FBS conference Winner (if they are not participating in ESPN's...errr, CFB Playoffs). Yes, that includes MAC, SBC, CUSA, MWC, and AAC
If the Conference Champ is in the CFB Playoffs, then take the Runner Up from the conference (unless they are in the CFB Playoffs...but you get the point)
Then choose 6 "wild-card" teams...the Top Ranked Teams from the old computer polls.
Play it off until you have the NIT Champ!

The SEC will get two teams in many years so that means there will be TWO Money5 conference champs left out who feel deserving.

Plus there are years like when Bama didn't even win its conference and won the MNC.

So why not? If you set this format up while the CFB is screwing around with 4 teams you have a shot of getting the G5 teams in, plus lots of M5 teams that feel deserving and you make a ton more money for everyone to boot!

And just because conferences are tied into BCS Bowl games does not mean that the Conference Winner or Runner up will have to participate. They could send Indiana to the Rose Bowl or Wake Forest to the Orange Bowl.

It would be a helluva lot more fun to watch, especially with the David v Goliath matchups.

Why not just give up football and admit defeat. I like your 16 team model only for the real playoff with some G5 representation. Even in an 8 team model I believe the G5 will have at least one auto bid.

Our conference brass MUST be pushing for inclusion in the CFB playoff. Expanded to 8 and 16 down the road and we've got s chance. All we want is a chance.

(11-24-2014 06:22 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 01:48 PM)banker Wrote:  And no G5 will be ranked by the committee in the top 8. Boise and TCU were ranked in the top 8 by traditional polls and computers, but that won't happen with the committee. You guys seem to miss the fact that no G5 team is even in the top 25 and the committee ranking is now influencing the AP and Coaches polls.

At max there are 4 more seats at the table. I would guess that UCF, BYU, Boise and Houston/Cincinnati have the best shot at those. Everyone else will accept their reality sooner or later. Once that reality is accepted the remaining G5 teams can get on with doing what's best for them, realigning conferences that make geographic sense and negotiating TV contracts and a playoff as a group in order to maximize exposure and money.

How do you figure the committee is influencing the AP, and Coaches poll? Both CSU and Boise moved up.

In the AP poll in 2013 you had Fresno and NIU, both undefeated, ranked 16 and 18 in week 13. The only three loss team ranked in front of them was LSU.

Week 13 of the 2012 AP poll had 10-1 Kent State and 10-1 NIU ranked 18 and 19. Only two 3 loss teams were ranked in front of them. Utah State and Boise, both with 2 losses were also ranked.

(11-24-2014 05:48 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This is where I think people are wrong. They can keep us out of a 8 team playoff but not a 16. UCF was ranked in the top 15 before going to the Fiesta. Boise St, TCU, Utah, NIU and others have all gone to BCS type games when ranked inside the top 15.

I think a clause stating that a conference champ ranked in the top 16 automatically gets an invite is the best way to go. Who knows, there might be a year when the MWC and AAC both have a team in the top 15.

That was just them being nice...if Boise or UCF got hot and won three in a row or the whole thing it would upset the apple cart and the M5 ain't gonna let that happen.

(11-24-2014 12:21 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 12:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If the playoffs expand to sixteen teams, the I think the AAC itself would get a team in there more years than not.

So how long do you think it would take for a 16-team playoff to happen? I will tell you, it's not gonna happen in our lifetime.

Agree. I personally don't think it ever happens because of the current 12 game schedules and the presidents taking a pretty hard line against pushing the season further into the academic calendar. I think we can get to 8 because of there will be so many complaints about just 4 being included. At 16 we are taking about adding another half month to the schedule. Eight seems to be the perfect compromise that I could staying in place for a long time.

As for an NIT type playoff---no thanks. If the G5 wants to do something constructive--instead of working together to create a bunch of crappy trash bowls for 6-6 G5 teams, they need to invest around 10 million of the G5 CFP money (the G5 gets 85 million to split among themselves) on a series of 3 high end bowls that will offer 2 slots for quality P5 opponents and 4 slots for the champions of 4 G5 conferences not included in the access bowl/playoff. What the G5 needs is some great post season destination bowls where G5 champions can be show cased against high quality ranked P5 opponents (#3 or #4 P5 conference selections) or against other G5 champs. We are better off finding solutions that work within the constraints of the existing FBS bowl system and build additional connections to the P5.

(11-24-2014 06:38 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 05:48 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  This is where I think people are wrong. They can keep us out of a 8 team playoff but not a 16. UCF was ranked in the top 15 before going to the Fiesta. Boise St, TCU, Utah, NIU and others have all gone to BCS type games when ranked inside the top 15.

I think a clause stating that a conference champ ranked in the top 16 automatically gets an invite is the best way to go. Who knows, there might be a year when the MWC and AAC both have a team in the top 15.

There was a poll done by all FBS coaches and majority wanted 8. Some wanted P5 champions and 3 at large bids, while others wanted P5 champions, 2 at large bids, and the G5 champion.

Yep. My point is that the 16 team playoff is the best situation for us but I dont see it happening.

This is why I addressed this in a different post. When they expand they will get at least another $250 million for the additional 4 games. Estimates were done before ESPN bought the rights and it had a range but $250 is a safe bet.

The BEST thing the AAC can do is partner with the MWC and both push to get a conference specific bowl with a decent payout. If the ACC can get $40 million for the Orange, then why cant the AAC get $24 million for the Citrus and the same for the MWC and the Cactus?
This would give us a solid post season spot even if we do not make the playoff and it would bank each of our teams an extra $2 million. Is it a crap thing to get considering were basically begging for the scaps at the table... yep but what it would do is signify that were are at a level above the bottom three conferences and position both of us better if there ever is a split.

I would be fine with a setup where there are 8 playoff games and the G5 is only guranteed one spot, AND the AAC and MWC both have a conference specific bowl with a solid tie in. I can see the AAC getting the SEC #4,5 or the ACC #3 or Notre Dame. The Cactus bowl can get the Pac 12 #3,4 or the Big 12 #3,4 and maybe make a spot for BYU "if" they are ranked in the top 10. (which hardly ever happens but will help get us the bowls)

I say we ask for the world but settle for this. An extra $2 million per team, big exposure and a level of legitimacy would go a LONG way.... and there is easily enough money in the expansion to do this.

(11-24-2014 11:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The BEST thing the AAC can do is partner with the MWC and both push to get a conference specific bowl with a decent payout. If the ACC can get $40 million for the Orange, then why cant the AAC get $24 million for the Citrus and the same for the MWC and the Cactus?

This would give us a solid post season spot even if we do not make the playoff and
it would bank each of our teams an extra $2 million. Is it a crap thing to get considering were basically begging for the scaps at the table... yep but what it would do is signify that were are at a level above the bottom three conferences and position both of us better if there ever is a split.

THIS. I believe the MWC CHAMPION is slated to play the PAC 12 #5 selection in the Las Vegas Bowl. With the CFP and NY6 bowls potentially taking multiple PAC 12 teams, it will likely be the MWC champion against the 7th or 8th place team in the PAC 12. The American's "best" bowl slots are against ACC #7/8 and SEC #8/9.

Aren't these matchups alone pretty much admitting the American's and the MWC's place in the college football hierarchy?

Instead, a MWC #1 v. American #1 (accounting for G5 Access bowl participant) bowl game around New Year's would generally have at least one participant ranked, and often both. That kind of game, if played on or near New Year's Day, could get a substantial payout - especially considering FOX and CBS need a good bowl game.

I personally think that Las Vegas or New Orleans would be a great venue for this game - so fans and teams could be in either city for New Year's Eve.

The American and MWC could likely still keep their bids in the bowls against Autonomy 5 competition, but increase exposure and visibility...and substantially increase the payout.

If the game were played after this season, Memphis, Cincinnati, or UCF versus #25 Boise St. or #21 Colorado St. would be a fun, exciting game, and would attract eyeballs.

(11-24-2014 01:48 PM)banker Wrote:  And no G5 will be ranked by the committee in the top 8. Boise and TCU were ranked in the top 8 by traditional polls and computers, but that won't happen with the committee. You guys seem to miss the fact that no G5 team is even in the top 25 and the committee ranking is now influencing the AP and Coaches polls.

At max there are 4 more seats at the table. I would guess that UCF, BYU, Boise and Houston/Cincinnati have the best shot at those. Everyone else will accept their reality sooner or later. Once that reality is accepted the remaining G5 teams can get on with doing what's best for them, realigning conferences that make geographic sense and negotiating TV contracts and a playoff as a group in order to maximize exposure and money.

Which of the current P5 conferences do you think would take Boise or Houston? Pac12 would never take Boise and Big 12 unlikely to take Houston. Not saying they're not or won't be worthy , just unlikely to happen.

I applaud the OP... But out of the box thinking, BEWARE.

Any playoff idea that makes perfect sense for everyone will be gang raped by the nice friendly folks from the so called p5.

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The so called p5

After a lengthy 1 minute and 2 seconds of carefully reviewing this wonderful proposal from our wonderful g5 friends... We have voted and agreed that todays playoff system is best and will remain as is.

Respectfully,

The Cartel

(11-27-2014 04:50 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 01:48 PM)banker Wrote:  And no G5 will be ranked by the committee in the top 8. Boise and TCU were ranked in the top 8 by traditional polls and computers, but that won't happen with the committee. You guys seem to miss the fact that no G5 team is even in the top 25 and the committee ranking is now influencing the AP and Coaches polls.

At max there are 4 more seats at the table. I would guess that UCF, BYU, Boise and Houston/Cincinnati have the best shot at those. Everyone else will accept their reality sooner or later. Once that reality is accepted the remaining G5 teams can get on with doing what's best for them, realigning conferences that make geographic sense and negotiating TV contracts and a playoff as a group in order to maximize exposure and money.

Which of the current P5 conferences do you think would take Boise or Houston? Pac12 would never take Boise and Big 12 unlikely to take Houston. Not saying they're not or won't be worthy , just unlikely to happen.

Selfish reasons I want Houston in the PAC

The one shot Boise had at P5/6 fell through when the status of the Big East/American fell in stature.

(11-27-2014 06:55 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The one shot Boise had at P5/6 fell through when the status of the Big East/American fell in stature.

You couldnt be more right.. and Ill go even further to say that there are no AAC teams or BYU that will ever be in the PAC. Not a single one fits either geographically or academically with what they want. They would have to have Texas demand that they go with them.... thats how Tech was gonna get their invite. The Pac12 would have been happy to land just Oklahoma and Texas without their little brothers.

and as far as BYU... they really are screwed. They think they are better then us and the Big 12 and PAC 12 will never take them.

More like preemptive suicide. Talk about relegating one's self to irrelevancy "with a quickness"....
Stupid idea.