(11-24-2014 12:09 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Good to have faith. Personally, what I have is better described as hope. I hope Rhoades delivers on his promises. But I have been disappointed before. So before I designate his coachspeak as different from all the other coachspeak using the same words, I shall wait a couple of years.

Buddy, do tell what coach we have had before that has used those same words? Like no one I can remember.

(11-24-2014 03:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I like all of what I have seen and heard from Rhoades to this point.

To this point, at this point, I agree.

Quote: he seems singular and consistent in his rhetoric and his actions.

And this differentiates him from most other first year coaches ... how?

So far, so good, IMO, but not because he is saying the right things, but because, so far, it seems as if he is doing the right things in the right way.

He is BOTH talking the talk AND walking the walk. What the coach says publically and how he says it may not mean much to you and some others, but to many of us it is VERY important and reflects more than simply "coach speak". It reflects not only accountability, but a quest for never being satisfied and always striving higher.

This made me laugh from the La Tech Board about Skip Holtz and Coachspeak after he called UAB a trap game...Some familiar lines...

Holtz is the guru of nebulous "coach speak". Nothing to see here...

This is a trap game,
Today's loss was a wakeup call that we are a work in progress and we still have a lot to work on,
We're still trying to figure out exactly who we are,
_______ is a well-coached, up-and-coming team,
They are the best-kept secret in the country,
We're just going to take it one game at a time,
It is always just good to get a win,...

And they're always "competing".

And they have a really good RB in ______ and some good Wrs.

I can't believe you left off "We're a work in progress."

(11-24-2014 04:58 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:17 PM)temchugh Wrote:  I like the words, but I don't think that this example helps address the question of what folks want to hear from a coach who is consistently under-performing relative to our expectations.

What would you want to hear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzETb9FSMw

I know how to take a 40 and make him play like an 80.

+1 to Owl69/70's Bear Bryant post and this quote at the end of the talk:
"And I'll tell you this...I expect nothing less."

...and I believe you do too, ruowls.

(11-24-2014 04:59 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I like all of what I have seen and heard from Rhoades to this point.

To this point, at this point, I agree.

Quote: he seems singular and consistent in his rhetoric and his actions.

And this differentiates him from most other first year coaches ... how?

So far, so good, IMO, but not because he is saying the right things, but because, so far, it seems as if he is doing the right things in the right way.

He is BOTH talking the talk AND walking the walk. What the coach says publically and how he says it may not mean much to you and some others, but to many of us it is VERY important and reflects more than simply "coach speak". It reflects not only accountability, but a quest for never being satisfied and always striving higher.

Well, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. His steps so far seem pretty good to me, but I am not ready to say he is walking the walk until I have seen it walked a little farther than three games with a 1-2 record. Get back to me in 2017.

(11-24-2014 06:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 04:59 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I like all of what I have seen and heard from Rhoades to this point.

To this point, at this point, I agree.

Quote: he seems singular and consistent in his rhetoric and his actions.

And this differentiates him from most other first year coaches ... how?

So far, so good, IMO, but not because he is saying the right things, but because, so far, it seems as if he is doing the right things in the right way.

He is BOTH talking the talk AND walking the walk. What the coach says publically and how he says it may not mean much to you and some others, but to many of us it is VERY important and reflects more than simply "coach speak". It reflects not only accountability, but a quest for never being satisfied and always striving higher.

Well, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. His steps so far seem pretty good to me, but I am not ready to say he is walking the walk until I have seen it walked a little farther than three games with a 1-2 record. Get back to me in 2017.

How about in 8 years?

(11-24-2014 06:09 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 06:07 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 04:59 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:52 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 03:21 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I like all of what I have seen and heard from Rhoades to this point.

To this point, at this point, I agree.

Quote: he seems singular and consistent in his rhetoric and his actions.

And this differentiates him from most other first year coaches ... how?

So far, so good, IMO, but not because he is saying the right things, but because, so far, it seems as if he is doing the right things in the right way.

He is BOTH talking the talk AND walking the walk. What the coach says publically and how he says it may not mean much to you and some others, but to many of us it is VERY important and reflects more than simply "coach speak". It reflects not only accountability, but a quest for never being satisfied and always striving higher.

Well, the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. His steps so far seem pretty good to me, but I am not ready to say he is walking the walk until I have seen it walked a little farther than three games with a 1-2 record. Get back to me in 2017.

How about in 8 years?

Call me again then.

(11-24-2014 02:51 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:48 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:41 PM)mrbig Wrote:  edit: please, Parliament gods, don't let this thread follow the path of so many others, and devolve into discussions of Rice's football couch...

Since you brought it up ... what kind of couch does the FB program have? Leather, fabric, sectional, etc ??

That was an inside joke, for some reason known only to him, OldOwl always misspells "coach" as "couch" in his posts. Kind of like how nightowl24 doesn't seem to believe in capital letters.

what? i always thought the first thing he did when he got a new computer was remove the shift and caps lock keys... i had assumed his handwriting must be filled with the same flamboyant capital letters that you'd find in the declaration of independence and us constitution.

I think "Couchspeak" deserves its own thread.

(11-24-2014 08:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think "Couchspeak" deserves its own thread.

It already has a profession dedicated to it...

(11-24-2014 09:58 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think "Couchspeak" deserves its own thread.

It already has a profession dedicated to it...

But I, for one, am glad that couches cannot speak.

(11-24-2014 10:05 PM)Vegas Owl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 09:58 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 08:06 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think "Couchspeak" deserves its own thread.

It already has a profession dedicated to it...

But I, for one, am glad that couches cannot speak.

So is Matt Anderson

(11-24-2014 10:59 PM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  So is Matt Anderson

The first word that came to my mind reading the post game quotes was entrepreneur. It projects a relentless but confident pursuit of a clear objective using a distinctive organizational approach.

I don't mean that in any pejorative way.

Rhoades seems to be coaching in a way consistent with the knowledge that if he can get to 25 wins and the NCAA tournament, he will become wealthy beyond his dreams when TAMU or LSU or (fill in the blank) hires him.

I am a libertarian, and believe in my bones that (with rare exceptions) entrepreneurs who become wealthy create a lot more value for their customers than they do for themselves. And so it will be with Rice if Rhoades ever gets to the point where he can command $3 million per year from a P-5 team.

the corollary is that when he looked at Rice, the word that came to mind was opportunity. the facility, the campus, the Houston recruiting pool, the proven formula of mid majors reaching elite status with 4 year players of very good but only rarely NBA talent level all spelled opportunity.

I hope he gets very rich, because if he does, we will have seen something here not seen ever in the history of Rice.

PS--if the economics of college baseball were similar to men's basketball, there is no doubt in my mind Wayne Graham would be making $7 million per year.

(11-25-2014 08:34 AM)MemOwl Wrote:  The first word that came to my mind reading the post game quotes was entrepreneur. It projects a relentless but confident pursuit of a clear objective using a distinctive organizational approach.

I don't mean that in any pejorative way.

Rhoades seems to be coaching in a way consistent with the knowledge that if he can get to 25 wins and the NCAA tournament, he will become wealthy beyond his dreams when TAMU or LSU or (fill in the blank) hires him.

I am a libertarian, and believe in my bones that (with rare exceptions) entrepreneurs who become wealthy create a lot more value for their customers than they do for themselves. And so it will be with Rice if Rhoades ever gets to the point where he can command $3 million per year from a P-5 team.

the corollary is that when he looked at Rice, the word that came to mind was opportunity. the facility, the campus, the Houston recruiting pool, the proven formula of mid majors reaching elite status with 4 year players of very good but only rarely NBA talent level all spelled opportunity.

I hope he gets very rich, because if he does, we will have seen something here not seen ever in the history of Rice.

PS--if the economics of college baseball were similar to men's basketball, there is no doubt in my mind Wayne Graham would be making $7 million per year.

Pretty spot on about Rice being a very attractive stepping stone, especially in a sport like basketball, where a single recruiting class can literally turn around a program.

If someone can take a bottom-feeder like Rice, turn it in to an NCAA Cinderella, and use that initial success to create a positive feed-back loop, you will be hired away to a bigger NCAA school or the NBA. And I think most of us have gone on record that it is much easier to orchestrate a turn around basketball rather than football (and potentially any other sport).

I'm honestly fine with Rhoades, or any coach for that matter, using Rice as a stepping stone, so long as when they leave, they do not do it in such a way that it is obviously malicious nor detrimental to the program.

(11-24-2014 04:58 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:20 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:17 PM)temchugh Wrote:  I like the words, but I don't think that this example helps address the question of what folks want to hear from a coach who is consistently under-performing relative to our expectations.

What would you want to hear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVzETb9FSMw

I know how to take a 40 and make him play like an 80.

Obviously. You did it with yourself.

(11-25-2014 01:52 AM)mrbig Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:59 PM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  So is Matt Anderson

That's an unexpected turn to the thread, but well done.