(11-24-2014 02:01 PM)banker Wrote:  The committee either has to rank a G5 this week or include a 4 loss P5 as there are only 24 3 loss or less teams from the P5. My guess is that Boise goes in at #25 because they have head to head over CSU and a "quality loss" to Ole Miss. If they trip and CSU doesn't then CSU will take their spot.

I think Marshall is out. Funny thing is that if things play out right Marshall could have wins over 8 bowl eligible teams while Boise only has 5 and CSU only has 4. Marshall only makes it if Boise and CSU both fail to win the MWC. If that happens, Marshall loses and Memphis wins out then I think they are in.

I agree banker

I REALLY wish our moderators would just make a 2 week ban on all Marshall fans. I just cant stand to here their rhetoric anymore. They havent beat anybody of value and I dont care if they win all 12 games. They dont deserve to go in over teams that played a real schedule.

If the committee lets them in, then I think all of us should schedule nothing but series against FCS, Mac and Sunbelt teams. This way we will be on an even playing field with The thundering Midget killers.

(11-24-2014 03:33 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 12:52 PM)Bearcat61 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 10:06 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  The committee is putting a ton of stock into strength of the schedule. That's the reason Marshall is still not ranked and its also the reason why an AAC school will never make the playoffs even if they're undefeated.

It would be a great disappointment if Marshall gets the access bid. Just think what the rest of the G-5 would do. They would schedule the weakest OOC games possible. How many G-5 teams would drop games with the P-5 and where would the P-5 go to schedule their OOC games? P-5 OOC games with the FCS teams? No.
The committee is hoping someone will step up from the MW or AAC and claim the access bid. And Marshall did them a favor this week by barely beating UAB. If the committee failed to rank Marshall last week, it would be a major shock to see them ranked this week.
My take is the bid is there for Boise (hold my nose) or Memphis.

I don't see that happening at all. If there are two schools undefeated, then SOS of schedule would be the deciding factor. For example, had CSU not lost to Boise or if ECU had won out, the debate would be easier. SOS is still a huge factor. Marshall's schedule sucks this season but they've still needed favors from other programs who have lost some VERY winnable games. Had they won then they would receive the nod.

Side note, I do have to laugh a little when folks start trumpeting CSU's two wins over P5 schools when those two schools are a combined 8-14 (one is 2-9) and would lose regularly to at least 1/3 of the G5. For example, do y'all really see Colorado as "better" than most of the American?

You were a little dishonest there by saying that csu's only 2 p5 wins were two wins against 8-14 combined record teams that 1/3 of the G5 could beat. CSU won at a decent ACC team that would beat Marshall most likely. (Be favored at home by at least 7)--CSU beat them and a terrible (by P5 standards) Colorado team On a neutral field. Again, Colorado in Denver would be favorites vs all 14 CUSA teams. Lets be realistic here.
Edit*my bad I thought you were saying that most of cusa would beat Colorado.

So CSU would beat BC but Marshall wouldn't? Colorado is a terrible team. Marshall would beat both.

CSU is a great team. I take nothing from them but you can go trumpeting their merits as well as Boise using one logic but then failing to use that same logic with Marshall.

(11-24-2014 10:51 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  So CSU would beat BC but Marshall wouldn't? Colorado is a terrible team. Marshall would beat both.

CSU is a great team. I take nothing from them but you can go trumpeting their merits as well as Boise using one logic but then failing to use that same logic with Marshall.

You have nothing to base that on. We know that CSU can beat decent teams cause they have done it... Marshall hasnt beaten anyone, so you have no base of comparison and therefore your argument is complete conjecture which isnt worth anything.

And I wasn't dishonest at all. I fully believe 1/3 of the G5 would beat those two teams. It's sad that as a fan of a G5 school you so readily sell our conferences short.

(11-24-2014 10:53 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  And I wasn't dishonest at all. I fully believe 1 to 3 teams of the G5 would beat those two teams. It's sad that as a fan of a G5 school you so readily sell our conferences short.

FIFY

What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Well, let's be honest here. CSU has better wins than Marshall. Can't really debate this. Boston College and Utah St. are likely better teams than anyone Marshall has played this year. Marshall needs La. Tech to get into the championship (as I think they would be considered a better opponent then Rice) and even then it probably won't matter. A MWC team will still likely get the slot. Best case scenario for Marshall is: you want both CSU and Boise to lose.

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Yes and No. These forums have divisions in them...there done by conference... one of them is called CUSA and one is called AAC. We divide them so that those of us in one conference do not have to listen to the incessant whining by those in another conference about how legitimate they should be.

I dont know how many of your fans have to come over here and tell us that your good and we should respect your wins. WE DON'T. There is no amount of arguing or any other crap that your fans pull that will change our minds. When one of our fans starts a thread on our site to discuss what WE think, we really dont need another Cow Head coming over here explaining to us what you think. Trust me, we know. Thats all weve heard for months.

The best thing Marshall can do is continue winning and stay off our site because at this point not only do we not respect your teams wins but were getting to a point where we just think your fans are ********. Id recommend just being quiet and winning. If you actually do get the access bowl, which I dont think you will, then go win it and shut all of us up. Its that simple.

Coming over here and saying the same crap that all your other fans have already done is just annoying. Its not debate, its not adding value and honestly coming into someone elses house and being annoying is pretty crappy. I am not on your board starting this thread. I am here... wanna know why?

CAUSE WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR TEAMS OPINION. If we did, we would have started the thread on the CUSA board. Make sense?

(and dont take a tone from this. I am actually for once trying to explain and be nice.... we really wish yall would just go away for a while)

(11-24-2014 05:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:01 PM)banker Wrote:  The committee either has to rank a G5 this week or include a 4 loss P5 as there are only 24 3 loss or less teams from the P5. My guess is that Boise goes in at #25 because they have head to head over CSU and a "quality loss" to Ole Miss. If they trip and CSU doesn't then CSU will take their spot.

I think Marshall is out. Funny thing is that if things play out right Marshall could have wins over 8 bowl eligible teams while Boise only has 5 and CSU only has 4. Marshall only makes it if Boise and CSU both fail to win the MWC. If that happens, Marshall loses and Memphis wins out then I think they are in.

I agree banker

It really is unfortunate that such strong emotions prevent a calm and rational discussion between fans of all potentially affected programs of the merits of each potential invitee.

(11-24-2014 04:12 PM)banker Wrote:  So USM is a great program that fell on hard times, but Marshall couldn't have been a great program that fell on hard times from 05 to 10? Okay. We'll ignore that Marshall made a bad HC hire when an institution at HC left, just like happened at USM. I guess I don't get the UCF logic on that.

marshall is a d1-aa school and team that cheats like fsu. call me on it please. i lived in huntington for 5 or so years and i can promise you i know where the skeletons are buried. run on back to your board and stfu. enough is enough

Marshall's biggest issue imo is that while the traditional polls put a lot more emphasis on how bad was your loss (and thus undefeated is really good), the committee puts a lot more emphasis instead on the quality of your wins. That's not to say both don't consider both, but I think the emphasis is switched. For this year, that doesn't help Marshall (although I think they'll make in regardless sooner or later).

(11-24-2014 11:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Yes and No. These forums have divisions in them...there done by conference... one of them is called CUSA and one is called AAC. We divide them so that those of us in one conference do not have to listen to the incessant whining by those in another conference about how legitimate they should be.

I dont know how many of your fans have to come over here and tell us that your good and we should respect your wins. WE DON'T. There is no amount of arguing or any other crap that your fans pull that will change our minds. When one of our fans starts a thread on our site to discuss what WE think, we really dont need another Cow Head coming over here explaining to us what you think. Trust me, we know. Thats all weve heard for months.

The best thing Marshall can do is continue winning and stay off our site because at this point not only do we not respect your teams wins but were getting to a point where we just think your fans are ********. Id recommend just being quiet and winning. If you actually do get the access bowl, which I dont think you will, then go win it and shut all of us up. Its that simple.

Coming over here and saying the same crap that all your other fans have already done is just annoying. Its not debate, its not adding value and honestly coming into someone elses house and being annoying is pretty crappy. I am not on your board starting this thread. I am here... wanna know why?

CAUSE WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR TEAMS OPINION. If we did, we would have started the thread on the CUSA board. Make sense?

(and dont take a tone from this. I am actually for once trying to explain and be nice.... we really wish yall would just go away for a while)

There are many folks, not you it seems, who enjoy having this debate. Many are able to do it with civility and rationale. While I know you assume you speak for everyone on this forum, you do not. Some actually like having the conversation as it is a good one. In fact it is one of the most discussed on the reciprocal boards. Let us also be fair. For every Marshall fan here, there are three times that many on the CUSA forum. ECU fans alone over there account for half of that number.

For me it's simple. If I don't want to read or reply to something, I don't. You can actively choose to do the same.

I appreciate your having a calm demeanor but it doesn't change that the soap box your one is short and shaky.

(11-25-2014 12:40 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 04:12 PM)banker Wrote:  So USM is a great program that fell on hard times, but Marshall couldn't have been a great program that fell on hard times from 05 to 10? Okay. We'll ignore that Marshall made a bad HC hire when an institution at HC left, just like happened at USM. I guess I don't get the UCF logic on that.

marshall is a d1-aa school and team that cheats like fsu. call me on it please. i lived in huntington for 5 or so years and i can promise you i know where the skeletons are buried. run on back to your board and stfu. enough is enough

Please tell us where they are buried then. Enlighten all of us Herd fans.

(11-24-2014 11:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Yes and No. These forums have divisions in them...there done by conference... one of them is called CUSA and one is called AAC. We divide them so that those of us in one conference do not have to listen to the incessant whining by those in another conference about how legitimate they should be.

I dont know how many of your fans have to come over here and tell us that your good and we should respect your wins. WE DON'T. There is no amount of arguing or any other crap that your fans pull that will change our minds. When one of our fans starts a thread on our site to discuss what WE think, we really dont need another Cow Head coming over here explaining to us what you think. Trust me, we know. Thats all weve heard for months.

The best thing Marshall can do is continue winning and stay off our site because at this point not only do we not respect your teams wins but were getting to a point where we just think your fans are ********. Id recommend just being quiet and winning. If you actually do get the access bowl, which I dont think you will, then go win it and shut all of us up. Its that simple.

Coming over here and saying the same crap that all your other fans have already done is just annoying. Its not debate, its not adding value and honestly coming into someone elses house and being annoying is pretty crappy. I am not on your board starting this thread. I am here... wanna know why?

CAUSE WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR TEAMS OPINION. If we did, we would have started the thread on the CUSA board. Make sense?

(and dont take a tone from this. I am actually for once trying to explain and be nice.... we really wish yall would just go away for a while)

Ironically, you don't want to hear our opinion, but you start a thread about Marshall weekly. It is simple psychological displacement. You are really angry at your team losing, but it is easier to blame the school that has not lost.

Personally, I don't care if you respect Marshall. We won our games. We did not get close and choke. We did not start with losses and then rationalize with "better than the schedule", or "it is cold outside". That is what makes you angry. If you respect your teams, your respect criteria is suspect. Marshall doesn't need it.

As for the game control metric savant in an earlier thread, UAB was one game of 11. We won the game holding a lead throughout the majority of play. ESPN ranks our game control at 12th in the nation. It is just another pathetic form of rationalization.

Serious question: if you are all so much better than Marshall, why do we have the margin of victory lead over all of our shared common opponents with the AAC (Cincinnati and Memphis included)?

(Don't take my tone as displeasure with the delusions spouted on this board. It is actually quite fun watching Marshall live in your head and reading about us weekly. Don't stop sweating Marshall...it's comedy gold.)

(11-25-2014 08:15 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Yes and No. These forums have divisions in them...there done by conference... one of them is called CUSA and one is called AAC. We divide them so that those of us in one conference do not have to listen to the incessant whining by those in another conference about how legitimate they should be.

I dont know how many of your fans have to come over here and tell us that your good and we should respect your wins. WE DON'T. There is no amount of arguing or any other crap that your fans pull that will change our minds. When one of our fans starts a thread on our site to discuss what WE think, we really dont need another Cow Head coming over here explaining to us what you think. Trust me, we know. Thats all weve heard for months.

The best thing Marshall can do is continue winning and stay off our site because at this point not only do we not respect your teams wins but were getting to a point where we just think your fans are ********. Id recommend just being quiet and winning. If you actually do get the access bowl, which I dont think you will, then go win it and shut all of us up. Its that simple.

Coming over here and saying the same crap that all your other fans have already done is just annoying. Its not debate, its not adding value and honestly coming into someone elses house and being annoying is pretty crappy. I am not on your board starting this thread. I am here... wanna know why?

CAUSE WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR TEAMS OPINION. If we did, we would have started the thread on the CUSA board. Make sense?

(and dont take a tone from this. I am actually for once trying to explain and be nice.... we really wish yall would just go away for a while)

Ironically, you don't want to hear our opinion, but you start a thread about Marshall weekly. It is simple psychological displacement. You are really angry at your team losing, but it is easier to blame the school that has not lost.

Personally, I don't care if you respect Marshall. We won our games. We did not get close and choke. We did not start with losses and then rationalize with "better than the schedule", or "it is cold outside". That is what makes you angry. If you respect your teams, your respect criteria is suspect. Marshall doesn't need it.

As for the game control metric savant in an earlier thread, UAB was one game of 11. We won the game holding a lead throughout the majority of play. ESPN ranks our game control at 12th in the nation. It is just another pathetic form of rationalization.

Serious question: if you are all so much better than Marshall, why do we have the margin of victory lead over all of our shared common opponents with the AAC (Cincinnati and Memphis included)?

(Don't take my tone as displeasure with the delusions spouted on this board. It is actually quite fun watching Marshall live in your head and reading about us weekly. Don't stop sweating Marshall...it's comedy gold.)

Exactly! Comical that folks who scream the loudest about Marshall being unworthy are some (not all) former CUSA fans from Memphis, Houston and ECU. Ironically, to make yourselves feel better you actively promote Boise State as the worthy Access Bowl Candidate, when BSU turned its nose up at the AAC and walked back to MWC.

(11-25-2014 08:37 AM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 08:15 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:44 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:22 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  What great teams has CSU beaten? That's exactly my point. BC is a mid tier P5 team and Colorado is just plain bad.

Unless teams play head to head, isn't this all just conjecture? Isn't that why these forums actually survive in the first place; as a vehicle for debate?

Yes and No. These forums have divisions in them...there done by conference... one of them is called CUSA and one is called AAC. We divide them so that those of us in one conference do not have to listen to the incessant whining by those in another conference about how legitimate they should be.

I dont know how many of your fans have to come over here and tell us that your good and we should respect your wins. WE DON'T. There is no amount of arguing or any other crap that your fans pull that will change our minds. When one of our fans starts a thread on our site to discuss what WE think, we really dont need another Cow Head coming over here explaining to us what you think. Trust me, we know. Thats all weve heard for months.

The best thing Marshall can do is continue winning and stay off our site because at this point not only do we not respect your teams wins but were getting to a point where we just think your fans are ********. Id recommend just being quiet and winning. If you actually do get the access bowl, which I dont think you will, then go win it and shut all of us up. Its that simple.

Coming over here and saying the same crap that all your other fans have already done is just annoying. Its not debate, its not adding value and honestly coming into someone elses house and being annoying is pretty crappy. I am not on your board starting this thread. I am here... wanna know why?

CAUSE WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR TEAMS OPINION. If we did, we would have started the thread on the CUSA board. Make sense?

(and dont take a tone from this. I am actually for once trying to explain and be nice.... we really wish yall would just go away for a while)

Ironically, you don't want to hear our opinion, but you start a thread about Marshall weekly. It is simple psychological displacement. You are really angry at your team losing, but it is easier to blame the school that has not lost.

Personally, I don't care if you respect Marshall. We won our games. We did not get close and choke. We did not start with losses and then rationalize with "better than the schedule", or "it is cold outside". That is what makes you angry. If you respect your teams, your respect criteria is suspect. Marshall doesn't need it.

As for the game control metric savant in an earlier thread, UAB was one game of 11. We won the game holding a lead throughout the majority of play. ESPN ranks our game control at 12th in the nation. It is just another pathetic form of rationalization.

Serious question: if you are all so much better than Marshall, why do we have the margin of victory lead over all of our shared common opponents with the AAC (Cincinnati and Memphis included)?

(Don't take my tone as displeasure with the delusions spouted on this board. It is actually quite fun watching Marshall live in your head and reading about us weekly. Don't stop sweating Marshall...it's comedy gold.)

Exactly! Comical that folks who scream the loudest about Marshall being unworthy are some (not all) former CUSA fans from Memphis, Houston and ECU. Ironically, to make yourselves feel better you actively promote Boise State as the worthy Access Bowl Candidate, when BSU turned its nose up at the AAC and walked back to MWC.

And now that all of those schools are out of CUSA Marshall is finally able to win some games. Its no coincidence IMO. Marshall was pretty much demoted to the Sun Belt.

I just checked out he CUSA website because I wasn't even sure what schools were in that dumpster fire these days. Its pretty much the Sun Belt from three years ago. I feel bad for USM. That's they only school and fan base that I feel bad for in that group.

(11-24-2014 05:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  [quote='banker' pid='11430963' dateline='1416855682']
The committee either has to rank a G5 this week or include a 4 loss P5 as there are only 24 3 loss or less teams from the P5. My guess is that Boise goes in at #25 because they have head to head over CSU and a "quality loss" to Ole Miss. If they trip and CSU doesn't then CSU will take their spot.

I think Marshall is out. Funny thing is that if things play out right Marshall could have wins over 8 bowl eligible teams while Boise only has 5 and CSU only has 4. Marshall only makes it if Boise and CSU both fail to win the MWC. If that happens, Marshall loses and Memphis wins out then I think they are in.

I think for most rational fans in the G-5, we are trying to understand the thinking of the selection committee. All G-5 members want to know what the basis is for the Acess Bowl. For me, that is the main reason Marshall's record to date is under discussion. If the basis for the Access is simply to go undefeated, then everyone will schedule for that. If the basis is win your conference and play strong OOC teams (wins or competitive losses), then everyone (G-5) should schedule accordingly. So we are just trying to understand what the standards are. Thus far the committee has FAILED to rank Marshall in the top 25 although they are undefeated. And yet, the AP and Coaches both rank Marshall in the top 25. Why is Marshall not ranked by the committee? That is the question the G-5 wants an answer to.
For me a key to the committee thinking is how they have treated Florida State. They are undefeated but dropped from 1st to 3rd based on 'strength of schedule' and 'degree of control' in their games. The committee seems to be applying the same standard to Marshall. We will know by tonight if the Florida State standards apply to Marshall. If Marshall is ranked by the committee, they would be the leading G-5 rep. If they are not ranked in tonight's release, then the hand writting is on the wall.