This is how rankings would work. You would get 10 points for every win. And then another point for every game they win. So let's take Marshall would get 10 points for beating Miami of Ohio. And then let's say Miami goes 6-6 then Marshall gets 16 points for the win. But for an FCS game you get 5 points and no extra points.

So what if Miami of Ohio goes 10-2. What if Mississippi State goes 10-2. Does that mean Marshall should get the same credit for beating Miami of Ohio that Alabama got for beating Mississippi State?

(11-23-2014 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So what if Miami of Ohio goes 10-2. What if Mississippi State goes 10-2. Does that mean Marshall should get the same credit for beating Miami of Ohio that Alabama got for beating Mississippi State?

So the best way would be to somehow have some formula that factored in your record, your opponents' records, and your opponents' opponents' records. You could also weight home and away games differently. You could call it a ratings percentage index (or RPI for short) or something like that. I bet you could make a lot of money doing something like that.

10 points for a Power-5 win on the road, 9 for G5 on the road, and for a p5 at home. 8 for a G5 home game. 2 bonus points for a top 25 win, and than the extra points for the opponents wins as earlier.

Teams should get 3 grades - offense, defense and special teams. Those grades would be weighted so the last 5 games carry the most weight. It sounds good to say you beat a 5-0 team but if they got to 5-0 by beating DII schools and then go 0-7 the value of that win decreases dramatically.

(11-23-2014 06:13 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  So what if Miami of Ohio goes 10-2. What if Mississippi State goes 10-2. Does that mean Marshall should get the same credit for beating Miami of Ohio that Alabama got for beating Mississippi State?

So the best way would be to somehow have some formula that factored in your record, your opponents' records, and your opponents' opponents' records. You could also weight home and away games differently. You could call it a ratings percentage index (or RPI for short) or something like that. I bet you could make a lot of money doing something like that.

Quite. It would not be the best feasible predictor of performance, but at least it would be objective, and unlike more effective predictors, would have very few parameters to monkey around with. Basically the only parameter is what weight to give home and away, and you can do that by agreeing to take the average home and away winning records across division 1, and then rounding to the closest tenth.

Teams fate should not be decided on what other clubs do the remainder of the system in terms of SoS. In the meantime, I will take a subjective, biased system that accounts for everything.

(11-23-2014 06:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Teams fate should not be decided on what other clubs do the remainder of the system in terms of SoS. In the meantime, I will take a subjective, biased system that accounts for everything.

I'd like what we have in all other sports: win your conference on the field, everyone else is picked by some combination of subjective viewership of actual games played and objective numbers. I used to want 16, but that would be too big. Either 8 or 12, and I think I'd rather have 12.

(11-23-2014 06:55 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  I'd like what we have in all other sports: win your conference on the field

No.

Autobids are handed out to every conference in a sport, regardless of the relative strength of the conference, only in sports that have a tournament field large enough that about half of the field is made up of autobid teams and half of the field is made up of at large teams. For example: men's basketball has a field of 68 teams and 34 autobids; men's soccer has a field of 48 teams and 24 autobids.

And of all of those sports where everyone gets an autobid, only men's basketball is enough of a money-maker that there is significant money at stake when each conference is given an autobid rather than just selecting the best 16 or 32 or 64 teams. Nobody's making millions off of the NCAA soccer or volleyball tournaments.

(11-23-2014 06:55 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Teams fate should not be decided on what other clubs do the remainder of the system in terms of SoS. In the meantime, I will take a subjective, biased system that accounts for everything.

I'd like what we have in all other sports: win your conference on the field, everyone else is picked by some combination of subjective viewership of actual games played and objective numbers. I used to want 16, but that would be too big. Either 8 or 12, and I think I'd rather have 12.

A 12 team playoff is 4 rounds and it would last an entire month. Talk about making the regular season completely, 100% irrelevant.

(11-24-2014 07:17 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:55 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Teams fate should not be decided on what other clubs do the remainder of the system in terms of SoS. In the meantime, I will take a subjective, biased system that accounts for everything.

I'd like what we have in all other sports: win your conference on the field, everyone else is picked by some combination of subjective viewership of actual games played and objective numbers. I used to want 16, but that would be too big. Either 8 or 12, and I think I'd rather have 12.

A 12 team playoff is 4 rounds and it would last an entire month. Talk about making the regular season completely, 100% irrelevant.

What is more likely, is conference increase their own postseasons. That keeps the money in their own pockets rather than just repeating what has happened in basketball.

(11-24-2014 07:17 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:55 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:54 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Teams fate should not be decided on what other clubs do the remainder of the system in terms of SoS. In the meantime, I will take a subjective, biased system that accounts for everything.

I'd like what we have in all other sports: win your conference on the field, everyone else is picked by some combination of subjective viewership of actual games played and objective numbers. I used to want 16, but that would be too big. Either 8 or 12, and I think I'd rather have 12.

A 12 team playoff is 4 rounds and it would last an entire month. Talk about making the regular season completely, 100% irrelevant.

Looking at the CFP top 25, I think you're right and 12 is too many. If you have 8 with P5 champs + 1 G5 autobid (though that will never happen), I think it keeps the integrity of the regular season, increases interest in CCGs, and creates a pretty thrilling postseason.

They should take as much subjectivity out of it as humanly possible. That is the answer. Obviously you cannot take all subjectivity out of it because there are too many teams. However where they can remove public opinion polling they should for the good of the game.

I think an 8-team playoff will be here relatively soon and it will/should feature automatic berths to the five conference champions. That would remove all subjectivity out of that element of the process. There would be no talk about television ratings or fan travel, just head-to-head football results.

Now, there would be some subjectivity involved in determining the three wildcard spots. Personally, I would favor giving one of those wildcard spots to the top finishing G5 school and the two highest rated P5 schools.

I would also build a formula into the process whereby if, in a given year, a second G5 school is rated higher than any non-conference champion P5 school, the G5 should get a second spot and even a third spot if the situation warrants.

Similarly, I would build a formula into the process whereby if no G5 school meets a minimum qualification criteria, all three wildcard spots would go to P5 schools who do qualify.

I think a 16-team tournament remains a possibility for down the road but I think an 8-team tournament is a virtual lock. The only variable there is time. Will they do it in three years, five years or at the conclusion of the 12 year contract? It is definitely going to happen and is only a matter of time.

Also, once they do implement the automatic qualification spots for the five P5 conference champions, the sport will be significantly better off for it. It will FINALLY eliminate a lot of the nonsense the currently infests the sport, because it will ill
eliminate the need for all of the politicking and subjectivity that is currently such a big part of college football.

I think if the Big Ten gets left out of this year's playoff, that would be an excellent development for college football in general. Why? Because they have the most power of any league – including the SEC. If they fear being left out of the playoff even on a semi-regular basis, they are going to move heaven and earth to change the system. As someone who was thought that a four-team playoff and a P5 structure was obviously insufficient from the day it was announced, that is what I would like to see happen. Therefore, I am rooting hard against Ohio State, not because I have anything against the Buckeyes, per se but because I am convinced it would be best for the sport in the long term.

(11-24-2014 10:23 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I think if the Big Ten gets left out of this year's playoff, that would be an excellent development for college football in general. Why? Because they have the most power of any league – including the SEC. If they fear being left out of the playoff even on a semi-regular basis, they are going to move heaven and earth to change the system. As someone who was thought that a four-team playoff and a P5 structure was obviously insufficient from the day it was announced, that is what I would like to see happen. Therefore, I am rooting hard against Ohio State, not because I have anything against the Buckeyes, per se but because I am convinced it would be best for the sport in the long term.

Root for Ole Miss and Auburn this week and Georgia/Missouri and Wisconsin/Minnesota next week and it may be even sooner than 3 years. That would likely send Florida St, Oregon, TCU, and Baylor to the playoff.

(11-24-2014 11:03 AM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  Root for Ole Miss and Auburn this week and Georgia/Missouri and Wisconsin/Minnesota next week and it may be even sooner than 3 years. That would likely send Florida St, Oregon, TCU, and Baylor to the playoff.

Pulling for that. I'll take the SEC armageddon scenario only, but both would be fun. And you are right, your scenario happens, 8 team playoff happens NEXT year.

I am pulling for an 8 team playoff, 5 conference champs, 3 at large selected by the committee with number one criteria being strength of schedule.