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Pinkham, Callahan, McGeigel sp, Ciacorrca, Reynolds, and Hart.

I could see losing every one of them.

What has always bugged me about coordinators is rather than try and continue a good offensive or defensive scheme the whole program has to adapt to the scheme that the new coordinator is comfortable with.

I'd be surprised if Callahan, McGarigle, and Reynolds left, to be honest.

I would kind of be surprised if Hart did as well. Kenney in particular seems a candidate to go. Possibly Ciarrocca

Hart- Automatic name recognition. Has a pretty good resume with Franklin.

Callahan- Good Oline coaches are hard to find. He has a good pedigree and the Porn State stigma is fading away.

OC and DC- Pretty impressive turnaround.

McCargle sp- He's done a lot with a little. I think he could have left last year.

The only reason I could see these guys stating together is if they think they can win big, get a great gig, and Fleck brings them along.

We've lost multiple assistants in crap seasons.

(11-23-2014 05:08 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  What has always bugged me about coordinators is rather than try and continue a good offensive or defensive scheme the whole program has to adapt to the scheme that the new coordinator is comfortable with.

Why?

Head coach should be able to hire coordinator(s) of his choice and tell him-them what he wants run.

Obviously can promote from within when successful to maintain continuity.

Unless perhaps the AD is a former player, member of BOT, and pizza company CEO.

(11-23-2014 06:29 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Hart- Automatic name recognition. Has a pretty good resume with Franklin.

Callahan- Good Oline coaches are hard to find. He has a good pedigree and the Porn State stigma is fading away.

OC and DC- Pretty impressive turnaround.

McCargle sp- He's done a lot with a little. I think he could have left last year.

The only reason I could see these guys stating together is if they think they can win big, get a great gig, and Fleck brings them along.

We've lost multiple assistants in crap seasons.

No reason to believe fleck would take everyone with him IF he gets another gig. Kill is about the only guy that comes to mind as bringing his whole staff to several stops. New job more money better assistants can be hired. It could go either way with PJ he could be another kill or any other coach who has a bigger budget.

(11-23-2014 06:33 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 05:08 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  What has always bugged me about coordinators is rather than try and continue a good offensive or defensive scheme the whole program has to adapt to the scheme that the new coordinator is comfortable with.

Why?

Head coach should be able to hire coordinator(s) of his choice and tell him-them what he wants run.

Obviously can promote from within when successful to maintain continuity.

Unless perhaps the AD is a former player, member of BOT, and pizza company CEO.

It never seemed to work that way with Cubit's new defensive coordinators. They were always changing the schemes. Pretty consistent on offense since he was the OC.

(11-23-2014 06:45 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  It never seemed to work that way with Cubit's new defensive coordinators. They were always changing the schemes. Pretty consistent on offense since he was the OC.

Yes, and that was part of his downfall.

Never spent that much time on-with defense until he couldn't outscore other teams. Then it was DC's fault - starting with Bullough.

(11-23-2014 06:45 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 06:33 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 05:08 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  What has always bugged me about coordinators is rather than try and continue a good offensive or defensive scheme the whole program has to adapt to the scheme that the new coordinator is comfortable with.

Why?

Head coach should be able to hire coordinator(s) of his choice and tell him-them what he wants run.

Obviously can promote from within when successful to maintain continuity.

Unless perhaps the AD is a former player, member of BOT, and pizza company CEO.

It never seemed to work that way with Cubit's new defensive coordinators. They were always changing the schemes. Pretty consistent on offense since he was the OC.

Money is one reason it could happen. To get the guy you want and you cant pay him you switch to his schemes. I know we did that with Miller. Never a good idea for a coach to change his system unless needed because it is no successful. Type of offense PJ wants to run, everyone wants to replace n it so it should not be a problem. My biggest concern about Fleck right now is his limited coaching experience and contacts try to find several quality new assistants. Not a slight on PJ but he made his hires the first time with guys he has worked with at least the OC and DC. He hasn't worked with that many guys yet. He does have that endless energy and will have already advanced the careers of several guys plus some success to lean on.

I actually believe that this staff holds together for a bit longer... Not every year you have this kind of energy and success with such a young group of players... I can't imagine breaking up the crew when so much is yet to be had...

Fleck has said since day one.... He wants to carry a program to heights that no-one ever thought could happen. I almost think that Fleck gets more out of doing things no one thinks is possible, vs taking on enormous pressure and cash. He has incredible control over this program... he doesn't have to deal with raging deep pocketed boosters in droves... and he can still garner national attention.

If we can make him the highest paid coach in the MAC i would bet he sticks around longer than we all may think... at least I hope so...

He has kids. I would take the money and run. But I didn't live by that either as a head coach. I stayed at a place when I could have moved on but I was not going to make 5 or 6 times what I was making.

Same for the assistant coaches, they live in an unstable job and the next job could be double the money. I hope they all stay but I doubt they do. All Molde had a staff that stayed together through 3 different jobs and when he was fired several of them couldn't get another job because they didn't have the relationships with guys from moving all the time. When I decided not to go into college coaching it was because I saw what these guys went through. There is no loyalty in this business unless you are winning.

I think if he gets a re-negotiated contract, and stays, we won't see many of these guys leave.

I could see Hart and Kenney being the first ones out the door though if something else came up.

Hart's track record is really impressive right now between Brumfeld and Hill at EMU and now Jarvion Franklin. EMU's running game has been non-existent since he left, and they still have both players.

(11-23-2014 06:57 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  I actually believe that this staff holds together for a bit longer... Not every year you have this kind of energy and success with such a young group of players... I can't imagine breaking up the crew when so much is yet to be had...

Fleck has said since day one.... He wants to carry a program to heights that no-one ever thought could happen. I almost think that Fleck gets more out of doing things no one thinks is possible, vs taking on enormous pressure and cash. He has incredible control over this program... he doesn't have to deal with raging deep pocketed boosters in droves... and he can still garner national attention.

If we can make him the highest paid coach in the MAC i would bet he sticks around longer than we all may think... at least I hope so...

I agree with you. IMO most of this staff is young, and this is their first real success as coaches...(mcgarigle, hart, Callahan,simon,wenger ) Kenney has been rejuvenated from Penn State and that whole mess, and Ciarrocca is finding success since his Delaware days.

If Fleck leaves, why not have one of these young guys potentially taking over this program. Why not someone like McGarigle who is almost as energized as Fleck at times. He has the personality and players seem to like him a lot. If you don't like the "young coach" idea again then maybe Ciarrocca takes over...but he is no Fleck when it comes to being the energizer bunny.
Just some thoughts...
Most of my concerns if Fleck leaves would be in retaining this 2015 class. IMO Many of them will most likely seek alternative choices if the coach they committed to and want to play finds another job. Particularly our 3 star kids who had multiple offers. Fleck is the main reason why we still have many of those early commits. Don't want us to be in the Michigan situation come end of Dec/Jan just before signing day.

Like most years in the MAC some will go, most will stay.

(11-23-2014 07:52 PM)Doo Wrote:  Like most years in the MAC some will go, most will stay.

Agreed.

Most kids commit to a school not a coach.

(11-23-2014 07:56 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 07:52 PM)Doo Wrote:  Like most years in the MAC some will go, most will stay.

Agreed.

Most kids commit to a school not a coach.

I would agree that recruits should pick a school based on the University. But, IMO most of the time they pick schools based on the Head Coach. These kids are going to spend many, many hours with football coaches in their 4-5 years at a university. Probably more time than with professors. Like it our not, these coaches will technically be their "parents" who will control all aspects of their lives. Classes, study hall, eating, lifting, practicing, film sessions, traveling, etc... The head coach is the one who dictates the direction and philosophy of the program. Either you like the HC or you don't. Many of our 2015 commits have said in many of the articles that I have read on Bronco Blitz, or MLIVE that it is Coach Fleck, and what he brings to the program is why they committed. None of these commits want to be "someone else's players". Agree with me or not, just look at the players de-committing from Michigan right now. Mike Weber being the latest...you would think a "Michigan Education" and reputation of the school would keep these kids. But instead they are looking else where because of the fact that the coach could be getting fired. The Coach...

You are right In today's world. But its funny because they will spend almost no time with fleck once they get here. Position coach is the guy they spend all their times with. Pj is very hands on but still other than speeches and a pat on the butt. Now facilities and the direction of the program should be important and that is something pj is a laser been focused on.

They really spend the most time with strength and conditioning coaches, honestly.

(11-23-2014 09:27 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  They really spend the most time with strength and conditioning coaches, honestly.

Not in season.
but what would I know.

Ask any player or anyone within the football program and they'll tell you they spend a majority of their time with strength and conditioning/weight training coaches and G.A.'s. Dan Nichol is the coach I bet they spend the most time with, maybe even more so than Fleck, on a daily basis.