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RE: Coaches poll
So, you're saying that the athletic-department interns who vote the "coaches" ballots think that FSU should have beaten BC by a wider margin.
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11-23-2014 01:50 PM |
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RE: Coaches poll
What do you think the chances are that Louisiana Tech's (7-4; lost to Northwestern State & Old Dominion) votes are from coaches/SIDs/Interns who just assumed Louisiana Tech won and aren't even aware they lost to Old Dominion this weekend?
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RE: Coaches poll
Ranked in the coaches' poll and the AP in what was supposed to be a rebuilding year... not bad for a "dead program" whose "glory years are over," eh?
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RE: Coaches poll
(11-23-2014 07:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: What do you think the chances are that Louisiana Tech's (7-4; lost to Northwestern State & Old Dominion) votes are from coaches/SIDs/Interns who just assumed Louisiana Tech won and aren't even aware they lost to Old Dominion this weekend?
The year Texas lost 66-3 to UCLA, they were still ranked in one of the polls. UT had a good win the next week and got zero votes in that poll.
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RE: Coaches poll
(11-23-2014 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote: Coaches move Alabama to #1.
http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/foo...ches-poll/
Ole Miss drops to #19. Minnesota, Louisville, Clemson and Boise move in at the bottom of the poll. UCLA jumped KSU. Rest just moved up in order.
Marshall dropped.
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RE: Coaches poll
The final Four will be a lot less dramatic than folks believe. Assuming these four win out...
1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. Ohio State
Pretty sure the committee will seed Ohio State ahead of Miss State and the Big XII schools when they are B1G champs. This adds four of the five P5 conferences minus the Big XII. (Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.)
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2014 01:45 PM by USAFMEDIC.)
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(11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: The final Four will be a lot less dramatic than folks believe. Assuming these four win out...
1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. Ohio State
Pretty sure the committee will seed Ohio State ahead of Miss State and the Big XII schools when they are B1G champs. This adds four of the five P5 conferences minus the Big XII. (Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.)
+1
My money is on this outcome
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(11-24-2014 01:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: The final Four will be a lot less dramatic than folks believe. Assuming these four win out...
1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. Ohio State
Pretty sure the committee will seed Ohio State ahead of Miss State and the Big XII schools when they are B1G champs. This adds four of the five P5 conferences minus the Big XII. (Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.)
+1
My money is on this outcome
Exactly and thus the party planners are forming to place the chairs in the center of the room for yet another rousing rendition of musical conferences.
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11-26-2014 06:50 PM |
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RE: Coaches poll
(11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
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(11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
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RE: Coaches poll
(11-26-2014 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
None of those games are anything like a Conference Championship game.
While everybody else is playing for a title the Big12 is effectively just sitting around.
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(11-26-2014 07:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (11-26-2014 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
None of those games are anything like a Conference Championship game.
While everybody else is playing for a title the Big12 is effectively just sitting around.
Just waiting to see the out roar when Mississippi State is the 4th Team over Ohio State, Baylor and TCU...
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11-26-2014 07:49 PM |
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RE: Coaches poll
I think OSU will slide in at the very end. Sitting around playing for nothing is something Miss State and the Big12 teams have in common; its a disadvantage to all of them.
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11-26-2014 07:52 PM |
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(11-26-2014 07:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I think OSU will slide in at the very end. Sitting around playing for nothing is something Miss State and the Big12 teams have in common; its a disadvantage to all of them.
This coming from the person giving out +1's to someone who thinks I am deluded for saying Ohio State likely slides in.
How very hypocritical of you. Caught red handed.
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11-26-2014 07:53 PM |
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(11-26-2014 07:49 PM)Maize Wrote: (11-26-2014 07:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: (11-26-2014 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
None of those games are anything like a Conference Championship game.
While everybody else is playing for a title the Big12 is effectively just sitting around.
Just waiting to see the out roar when Mississippi State is the 4th Team over Ohio State, Baylor and TCU...
You know nothing about politics if you think that MSU remains in the 4th spot at the end.
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(11-26-2014 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
Yes, we all know about the Big 12's weak attempt to try to mitigate the power of the Championship games. The fact that the Big 12 goes this far with their scheduling shows that they are lying through their teeth when they say that Championship games don't matter.
They are an attempt to mitigate the power of those Championship games but by no means do they mitigate them.
The power of a Championship game to the Committee isn't just about the match up. It is about the MOMENT and answering that moment. It is about how a team plays in a game that is bigger than a simple regular season game. It gives them an idea about how those teams will respond in a similar situation which the Playoff games would be.
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11-26-2014 07:57 PM |
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(11-26-2014 07:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I think OSU will slide in at the very end. Sitting around playing for nothing is something Miss State and the Big12 teams have in common; its a disadvantage to all of them.
Something that Mississippi State does not have in common with the Big 12 is the opportunity to play a creampuff schedule outside their division. The Bulldog's OOD lineup this year:
Southern Miss (3-8)
UAB (5-6)
South Alabama (6-5)
Kentucky (5-6)
UT-Martin (6-6 FCS)
Vanderbilt (3-8)
Not exactly Murderer's Row. I'll grant that the SEC West is a tough division, and probably the toughest division in the FBS. But the SEC plays the scheduling game better than anybody else, and with ESPN's strong help, they also play the expectations game pretty well, too.
I seriously doubt it will happen, but it's not unthinkable that the SEC could finish the year with only one team with fewer than three losses, with that one being the two loss team that didn't have to play in a CCG. That would sure change the ESPN's talking heads' discussion about the value of a CCG pretty fast.
The question is, in such an unlikely scenario, would the SEC still place a team in the playoff because of their superior SOS?
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11-27-2014 01:38 PM |
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(11-27-2014 01:38 PM)ken d Wrote: (11-26-2014 07:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: I think OSU will slide in at the very end. Sitting around playing for nothing is something Miss State and the Big12 teams have in common; its a disadvantage to all of them.
Something that Mississippi State does not have in common with the Big 12 is the opportunity to play a creampuff schedule outside their division. The Bulldog's OOD lineup this year:
Southern Miss (3-8)
UAB (5-6)
South Alabama (6-5)
Kentucky (5-6)
UT-Martin (6-6 FCS)
Vanderbilt (3-8)
Not exactly Murderer's Row. I'll grant that the SEC West is a tough division, and probably the toughest division in the FBS. But the SEC plays the scheduling game better than anybody else, and with ESPN's strong help, they also play the expectations game pretty well, too.
I seriously doubt it will happen, but it's not unthinkable that the SEC could finish the year with only one team with fewer than three losses, with that one being the two loss team that didn't have to play in a CCG. That would sure change the ESPN's talking heads' discussion about the value of a CCG pretty fast.
The question is, in such an unlikely scenario, would the SEC still place a team in the playoff because of their superior SOS?
Well, you pretty much summed it up in your own post. Miss State didn't get the advantage of playing a "cream puff" conference schedule like the Big12 teams.
To your last point, I'd say it's highly doubtful, and rightfully so.
(This post was last modified: 11-27-2014 02:46 PM by HeartOfDixie.)
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(11-26-2014 07:57 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: (11-26-2014 07:14 PM)johnbragg Wrote: (11-24-2014 01:43 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: Get a championship game. You won't move up when you are off on championship week.
I hear this pretty often. I"m sorry Medic, you're a good poster and I'm taking this out on you. But this is a fershlugginer stupid thing to say. Every Championship Weekend, the Big 12 has games on TV.
This year it's:
Baylor-Texas Tech
TCU-Iowa State
Kansas-Kansas State
Oklahoma-Oklahoma State
(I just realized that Texas and WVU _are_ actually off on Championship Weekend).
Oklahoma-OSU was supposed to be the money matchup this year, and you'd have expected Baylor-Texas Tech to mean something, but it didn't work out that way. too.
But the "not playing on championship week" is almost as dumb as pro-Ohio State/Big Ten media complaining about SEC's November FCS games, as if playing FCS in September is somehow better than FCS in November.
Yes, we all know about the Big 12's weak attempt to try to mitigate the power of the Championship games. The fact that the Big 12 goes this far with their scheduling shows that they are lying through their teeth when they say that Championship games don't matter.
They are an attempt to mitigate the power of those Championship games but by no means do they mitigate them.
The power of a Championship game to the Committee isn't just about the match up. It is about the MOMENT and answering that moment. It is about how a team plays in a game that is bigger than a simple regular season game. It gives them an idea about how those teams will respond in a similar situation which the Playoff games would be.
No, its actually about last impressions. The Big 12 tries to have some high profile games the last weekend.
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