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(11-23-2014 09:51 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Several on this realignment board have commented interesting possibilities about a Texas shift and perhaps Oklahome... I for the most part don't foresee such movement from those two programs especially Texas.

UT currently receives great revenue $$$, outstanding National tv coverage, schedules anyone they want... I mean, what else are they after that they already have and why abandon a comfort (B12) zone they extremely worked hard for!?! If anything, I see Texas adding 2 - 4 programs to their league and call it a day or perhaps goes the Indi route but leaves their other sports in the B12.

Yup - Texas already has all the advantages of being an independent while having the comfort of a conference. No need to do anything else
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(11-24-2014 12:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  the Pac-12 doesn't need or want partials - they have a nice conference of like-minded schools, in all sports. They don't need Texas divas. If anyone joins the Pac-12, it is on the PAC-12's terms, not the other way around.

Technically the Pac-12 does need or want partials. Boise State in wrestling, SDSU in men's soccer, UCSB and Cal Poly in men's swimming are examples of this 03-2thumbsup
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(11-24-2014 01:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 12:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  the Pac-12 doesn't need or want partials - they have a nice conference of like-minded schools, in all sports. They don't need Texas divas. If anyone joins the Pac-12, it is on the PAC-12's terms, not the other way around.

Technically the Pac-12 does need or want partials. Boise State in wrestling, SDSU in men's soccer, UCSB and Cal Poly in men's swimming are examples of this 03-2thumbsup

Please don't confuse single-minor-sport affiliates with partials. Conferences will do this as a means to help out minor sports and their members that sponsor them. What Kittonhead is suggesting is a Hawaii-Big West type of marriage - and that will not happen with the Pac !2
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(11-24-2014 01:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 01:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 12:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  the Pac-12 doesn't need or want partials - they have a nice conference of like-minded schools, in all sports. They don't need Texas divas. If anyone joins the Pac-12, it is on the PAC-12's terms, not the other way around.

Technically the Pac-12 does need or want partials. Boise State in wrestling, SDSU in men's soccer, UCSB and Cal Poly in men's swimming are examples of this 03-2thumbsup

Please don't confuse single-minor-sport affiliates with partials. Conferences will do this as a means to help out minor sports and their members that sponsor them. What Kittonhead is suggesting is a Hawaii-Big West type of marriage - and that will not happen with the Pac !2

I know. I was just having fun with it 03-nerd
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but in all seriousness, if UC San Diego moves up to D1 and goes on a successful run in athletics could the Pac-12 take them without football?
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(11-23-2014 10:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:19 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The biggest independent, Notre Dame has a deal for a handful of football games in the ACC along with its olympic sports.
Navy is joining the American for football and keeping its olympics where they've been.
Army and BYU have both been approached to join the American.... I can see both in (or in a Notre Dame like agreement with) the American too - if BYU doesn't get a Big 12 invite.

That doesn't sound like a booming rise of independents.

ND doesn't have a problem they have that partial arrangement Ive espoused for UT and OU.

How will academy handle full cost of attendance? Does that idea mesh with their institutional concept of athletic? I see it as a question.

There's nothing to handle as a student at a service academy is essentially a military trainee for 4 years with the equivalent pay of half of the O-1 rank. This most of this money is never seen by cadets/midshipmen as it is used to pay ones 'tuition'. I expect that the SA will be granted an exception if they wish to continue playing at the FBS/D-1 level.
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I think Tulane football could survive as an Independent. Tulane has a lot of interesting "friendships" that it has made over the years.

The odd part would be getting a non-FB conference to take on Tulane's Olympic sports. Any ideas for good fits?

The hoops team recruits a lot of decent 3* guys, and has built a new practice facility. There is potential there, but it is not being realized. WBB is NIT-level, and can hold its own.

The other Olympic sports are about average overall.
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Maybe the Southland, Ohio Valley or Big South? Sure the Atlantic Sun would take Tulane as a replacement for Mercer.
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(11-24-2014 01:36 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Maybe the Southland, Ohio Valley or Big South? Sure the Atlantic Sun would take Tulane as a replacement for Mercer.

We're a snotty private school that would demand a league that has "institutional peers" in it.

I think you have perfectly highlighted why Tulane wouldn't (and shouldn't) go Indy unless the AAC fails.

A 10 won't go that far south. Patriot would be interesting (Tulane fits academically), but once again travel would kill that idea off.

If Tulane is willing to play in a league of non-private schools, then the Valley becomes an interesting idea....

It's fun to play around with things when you know it won't happen (even if it makes sense).

The American is actually a really good hoops league for Tulane's purposes. I'm sort of kicking up dirt right now just to see what shape of cloud is makes.
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(11-24-2014 01:47 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  
(11-24-2014 01:36 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Maybe the Southland, Ohio Valley or Big South? Sure the Atlantic Sun would take Tulane as a replacement for Mercer.

We're a snotty private school that would demand a league that has "institutional peers" in it.

I think you have perfectly highlighted why Tulane wouldn't (and shouldn't) go Indy unless the AAC fails.

A 10 won't go that far south. Patriot would be interesting (Tulane fits academically), but once again travel would kill that idea off.

If Tulane is willing to play in a league of non-private schools, then the Valley becomes an interesting idea....

It's fun to play around with things when you know it won't happen (even if it makes sense).

The American is actually a really good hoops league for Tulane's purposes. I'm sort of kicking up dirt right now just to see what shape of cloud is makes.

Since the Big West is made of Cal State's, UC's and Hawaii would that satisfy your "institutional peers" requirements? We did have Louisiana as a football-only affiliate for a couple years.

Nothing catches the eye like a Tulane-UC Irvine basketball game.
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(11-24-2014 01:30 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 10:19 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The biggest independent, Notre Dame has a deal for a handful of football games in the ACC along with its olympic sports.
Navy is joining the American for football and keeping its olympics where they've been.
Army and BYU have both been approached to join the American.... I can see both in (or in a Notre Dame like agreement with) the American too - if BYU doesn't get a Big 12 invite.

That doesn't sound like a booming rise of independents.

ND doesn't have a problem they have that partial arrangement Ive espoused for UT and OU.

How will academy handle full cost of attendance? Does that idea mesh with their institutional concept of athletic? I see it as a question.

There's nothing to handle as a student at a service academy is essentially a military trainee for 4 years with the equivalent pay of half of the O-1 rank. This most of this money is never seen by cadets/midshipmen as it is used to pay ones 'tuition'. I expect that the SA will be granted an exception if they wish to continue playing at the FBS/D-1 level.

SAs conferences could give them a waiver on stipends though its one more thing to affect them negatively in recruiting.
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