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Slappies: Fleck will leave, and CMU football will be awesome again
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(11-23-2014 05:57 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  Damn, we lost five straight years to CMU? That's b4tch territory. Glad we're off the snide.
Its very possible the pendulum swings the other way....WMU with 4+ straight wins against cmu???
11-23-2014 06:06 PM
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(11-23-2014 06:06 PM)goldsworth Wrote:  
(11-23-2014 05:57 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  Damn, we lost five straight years to CMU? That's b4tch territory. Glad we're off the snide.
Its very possible the pendulum swings the other way....WMU with 4+ straight wins against cmu???

We've won three of the last four.

Or you can say, we've won 75% of our games with them in the last four years.

Or you could say, we've won 3/4ths of the games this decade.

Or you could say, we've owned them since Enos arrived

Or you could say, we've won 2 of the last 3 in Dismal Flats.

It's all in the timeframe and wording. Slappy's play this game all the time.
11-23-2014 06:13 PM
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(11-23-2014 03:53 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  In regards to the 'myth of CMU dominating this rivalry', I'd also add how hard it can be to win in Mt Pleasant (not that it's impossible of course!). CMU also had that streak from 06-10, which is embarrassing. I'm sure CMU's MACC also helped create that perception too. So lots of things. It looks like it's not as bad as it would seem though.

The Mount Pleasant curse was legitimate for a long time -and 2000 didn't help. Like some of you, I know a number of Broncos who still haven't and/or won't go back because of that game. That said - since our win in 2002, we're 3-4 in Mount Pleasant (and could have won the 2004 and 2010 games had we not fumbled late in both).

CMU does have the edge in championships - undeniable. I keep repeatedly reading that WMU has only won two MAC championships in 106 years. I must have missed the memo that the MAC was around back in 1908. 03-banghead (Not that two championships in 67 years sounds much better, but writers could at least get that right.)

Some Chip fans will point out they have more bowl wins, which is true (they have a grand total of three), but also gets an eye roll out of me. As Kimbo has pointed out, he could have played in four bowl games if the bowl system was the free-for-all it is now back in his days. That said, winning a bowl game this year would obviously be a good first step in hopefully bagging a few more in the coming years.

The main point of my research was not to bag on Central - just to point out legitimate facts that IMO get overlooked. I may hate Central, but I do respect them. I know a lot of Chippewas who are great people. I do think, though, there is a certain amount of arrogance that some Chips direct toward us. The handshake denial was indicative of that IMO.

As Mark Dantonio once said about his hated rival, some of them need to check themselves.
11-24-2014 12:48 AM
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RE: Slappies: Fleck will leave, and CMU football will be awesome again
Kolonel,

Yeah, I think the Bowl Wins thing that CMU has is something to Say, but nothing to hold too high for themselves when comparing in modern era:

a) They're still under .500 in bowls (3-4)
b) Their 3 wins were Sun-Belt teams
c) They played 1 P5 team and lost to them (Purdue)
d) They also lost to a Sun-Belt team + 2 Big West/MW teams (UNLV, San Jose State)

WMU:
a) Is 0-4 in bowls
b) They played 2 P5 teams and lost (Purdue, Cinci in BE)
c) They played 2 G5 teams and lost (Fresno State, Rice)
d) They played no Sun Belt non-title-contender teams like all of CMU's wins
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2014 01:00 AM by toddjnsn.)
11-24-2014 12:59 AM
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Good breakdown, Todd - we also lost the Aviation Bowl to New Mexico in 1961.
11-24-2014 04:11 PM
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Yeah, I didn't add that because it's pre-1980/pre-late-70s. Just trying to stick within the same expanded Era. :)
11-24-2014 04:12 PM
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Gotcha - makes sense and seems fair.
11-24-2014 04:23 PM
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RE: Slappies: Fleck will leave, and CMU football will be awesome again
(11-24-2014 12:59 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Kolonel,

Yeah, I think the Bowl Wins thing that CMU has is something to Say, but nothing to hold too high for themselves when comparing in modern era:

a) They're still under .500 in bowls (3-4)
b) Their 3 wins were Sun-Belt teams
c) They played 1 P5 team and lost to them (Purdue)
d) They also lost to a Sun-Belt team + 2 Big West/MW teams (UNLV, San Jose State)

WMU:
a) Is 0-4 in bowls
b) They played 2 P5 teams and lost (Purdue, Cinci in BE)
c) They played 2 G5 teams and lost (Fresno State, Rice)
d) They played no Sun Belt non-title-contender teams like all of CMU's wins

Also - the 1998 bowl game with Fresno State was in their own stadium. Did not help the match up. Like playing Marshal in the MACC on their home field.
11-24-2014 07:15 PM
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RE: Slappies: Fleck will leave, and CMU football will be awesome again
(11-24-2014 12:59 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  Kolonel,

Yeah, I think the Bowl Wins thing that CMU has is something to Say, but nothing to hold too high for themselves when comparing in modern era:

a) They're still under .500 in bowls (3-4)
b) Their 3 wins were Sun-Belt teams
c) They played 1 P5 team and lost to them (Purdue)
d) They also lost to a Sun-Belt team + 2 Big West/MW teams (UNLV, San Jose State)

WMU:
a) Is 0-4 in bowls
b) They played 2 P5 teams and lost (Purdue, Cinci in BE)
c) They played 2 G5 teams and lost (Fresno State, Rice)
d) They played no Sun Belt non-title-contender teams like all of CMU's wins

Also - the 1998 bowl game with Fresno State was in their own stadium. Did not help the match up. Like playing Marshal in the MACC on their home field.
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