(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  Good for Tarik. Great kid, loves Memphis, not happy with how Pastner used him and I feel for him there because he was right to feel that way.

How do you use a player that has picked up his second foul less than a minute in the game? You might want to send your answer to Bill self, because he couldn't figure it out either.

I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  Good for Tarik. Great kid, loves Memphis, not happy with how Pastner used him and I feel for him there because he was right to feel that way.

How do you use a player that has picked up his second foul less than a minute in the game? You might want to send your answer to Bill self, because he couldn't figure it out either.

I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

(11-22-2014 10:44 PM)Chirs Wrote:  Nice to see a graduate of the University of Memphis starting in the NBA.

Exactly.

(11-23-2014 12:12 PM)Rocket City Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:44 PM)Chirs Wrote:  Nice to see a graduate of the University of Memphis starting in the NBA.

Exactly.

Absolutely

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 10:25 AM)450bench Wrote:  Good for Tarik. Great kid, loves Memphis, not happy with how Pastner used him and I feel for him there because he was right to feel that way.

How do you use a player that has picked up his second foul less than a minute in the game? You might want to send your answer to Bill self, because he couldn't figure it out either.

I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

(11-23-2014 12:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  How do you use a player that has picked up his second foul less than a minute in the game? You might want to send your answer to Bill self, because he couldn't figure it out either.

I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

Because Nichols is a better help defender with better footwork and anticipation. He's almost forced into that role. Watch the next game. The lane will be open all the time on the defensive end because Pastner has his bigs face guarding their man 20 ft from the hoop. There will be penetration and the bigs will be forced to fill the lane with a certain degree of panic. They will leave their man and their guy will be wide open close to the basket. It's a horrible defensive strategy.
If we play a zone the weak side will be wide open every time with zero rotation because Pastner can't coach a zone either. They will hit a 3 from the weak side and we will drop back into a man and the process starts again.

(11-23-2014 12:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

Because Nichols is a better help defender with better footwork and anticipation. He's almost forced into that role. Watch the next game. The lane will be open all the time on the defensive end because Pastner has his bigs face guarding their man 20 ft from the hoop. There will be penetration and the bigs will be forced to fill the lane with a certain degree of panic. They will leave their man and their guy will be wide open close to the basket. It's a horrible defensive strategy.
If we play a zone the weak side will be wide open every time with zero rotation because Pastner can't coach a zone either. They will hit a 3 from the weak side and we will drop back into a man and the process starts again.

We just need to make shots.

As far as I'm concerned he left the team and his teammates and so to me, I could care less. He is not a Tiger.

Once a tiger ...

(11-23-2014 12:52 PM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned he left the team and his teammates and so to me, I could care less. He is not a Tiger.

He has a diploma from UM. Do you?

(11-23-2014 12:58 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:52 PM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned he left the team and his teammates and so to me, I could care less. He is not a Tiger.

He has a diploma from UM. Do you?

Yes. I do. Do you?

(11-23-2014 01:00 PM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:58 PM)Malachi Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:52 PM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned he left the team and his teammates and so to me, I could care less. He is not a Tiger.

He has a diploma from UM. Do you?

Yes. I do. Do you?

Mine is from MSU.

(11-23-2014 12:52 PM)Raleigh_Tiger Wrote:  As far as I'm concerned he left the team and his teammates and so to me, I could care less. He is not a Tiger.

I totally agree as do many close to program. Possibly cost us some tourney wins last year as we were very thin in frontcourt.

To each his own, I guess.

(11-23-2014 01:37 AM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  I believe in facts and not emotion.

The fact is TB is being paid to play in the National Basketball Association.

This alone plus so many other factors prove that Pastner is not HC material.

As a coach you NEVER NEVER let an NBA player come close to thinking about transferring....Especially when the kid is a GOOD kid.

TB did not do anything wrong. He didn't t get in trouble. His coach called him unmotivated and unwilling to give what it takes to be successful.

JP was/is so stubborn that he let an NBA prospect walk from the program.

The question I propose to Josh P is WHY was TB unmotivated under your leadership? Why didn't you manage TB better and ensure he was giving max effort for the TEAM

Why did you let Antonio Barton walk from this program? His brother could possibly make $100s of millions and now University of Memphis would not see a penny based on stupid JP decisions.

Boy Scouts don't win the Cross Fit Games. Only the fittest and passionate people will survive in the next few decades

Who besides DJ Stephen has ever stepped up to back JP? The only person DJ should trust is to give this contract personally.

He is however, prez material....you may want to do something about that screen name

(11-23-2014 12:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:01 PM)450bench Wrote:  I can't speak for Self but Pastner's matador style defensive strategy on the perimeter contributed mightily to Tarik's having to play help defense all the time.
As a reference, see Shaq.

It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

Because Nichols is a better help defender with better footwork and anticipation. He's almost forced into that role. Watch the next game. The lane will be open all the time on the defensive end because Pastner has his bigs face guarding their man 20 ft from the hoop. There will be penetration and the bigs will be forced to fill the lane with a certain degree of panic. They will leave their man and their guy will be wide open close to the basket. It's a horrible defensive strategy.
If we play a zone the weak side will be wide open every time with zero rotation because Pastner can't coach a zone either. They will hit a 3 from the weak side and we will drop back into a man and the process starts again.

basically then, we are DOOMED. I do agree with your comments about Josh and the defense.

(11-23-2014 12:27 PM)Rocket City Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:05 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

Because Nichols is a better help defender with better footwork and anticipation. He's almost forced into that role. Watch the next game. The lane will be open all the time on the defensive end because Pastner has his bigs face guarding their man 20 ft from the hoop. There will be penetration and the bigs will be forced to fill the lane with a certain degree of panic. They will leave their man and their guy will be wide open close to the basket. It's a horrible defensive strategy.
If we play a zone the weak side will be wide open every time with zero rotation because Pastner can't coach a zone either. They will hit a 3 from the weak side and we will drop back into a man and the process starts again.

We just need to make shots.

If we make more shots than the other team, we will win.

I love being back...I love the slippage and the imploding of the fans...wonder what will be win loss record this season will be? Time will tell....

(11-23-2014 02:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:21 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:15 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 12:08 PM)450bench Wrote:  [quote='UofMstateU' pid='11425255' dateline='1416762339']


It's not the style, it's the player discipline. When it happens predictably over and over again spanning multiple years, coaches, and schools, it comes down to player discipline. The NBA allows him to to skirt some of that. It's too bad, because he really had potential to put up big offensive numbers.

When it happens over and over at the same school with the same coach with different players, it's clearly the style/system. Clearly.

I haven't noted that problem with Nichols.

Because Nichols is a better help defender with better footwork and anticipation. He's almost forced into that role. Watch the next game. The lane will be open all the time on the defensive end because Pastner has his bigs face guarding their man 20 ft from the hoop. There will be penetration and the bigs will be forced to fill the lane with a certain degree of panic. They will leave their man and their guy will be wide open close to the basket. It's a horrible defensive strategy.
If we play a zone the weak side will be wide open every time with zero rotation because Pastner can't coach a zone either. They will hit a 3 from the weak side and we will drop back into a man and the process starts again.

basically then, we are DOOMED. I do agree with your comments about Josh and the defense.
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Are you talking about WSU game? Austin fronted his man almost entire game which was baffling to me ; Austin is awful in fronting his man but he gets a lot of blocks from behind because of it.

(11-22-2014 10:39 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  Tarik graduated from the U of Memphis, that is more than a lot of people who post here can say.

He did what was best for him and it worked. Frankly, I'm shocked that he's in the NBA. I never saw the offensive game that others saw in him. He can't shoot outside 5 feet and has 0 face up game, which is usually a necessity for a guy his size in the NBA. You can get away with it at 6'11" or 7'0", but not usually at 6'8".

Regardless, he's clearly worked his ass off to get where he is. In many respects, he got a raw deal here. When Pastner forced him to make the apology in a presser, it was all over. The situation could have been handled with a press release or with a general "internal matter ... now resolved". Instead, JP basically forced Tarik to pants himself in front of everybody. I would have gotten the hell out of Dodge too.

According to the NBA Tarik IS 6-11...

congrats to him, I wish him the best and thank him for his time here.