(11-23-2014 04:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote: (11-23-2014 12:15 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (11-22-2014 11:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote: (11-22-2014 08:21 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote: (11-21-2014 11:01 PM)nole Wrote: Second with 'I'll believe it when I see it' mindset.
Most critical of all....and not mentioned in this thread. If it doesn't bring in revenue that is in the same universe as SEC/B1G network....then it doesn't matter.
Meanwhile, FSU is about to lose money in the ACC title game.....AGAIN.
This conference has so many issues to fix, and all we really get are empty Swofford promises of someday, something might happen, and hypothetically, it just might deliver some revenue...maybe.
Just tired of all the rhetoric we heard pre GOR and I see no changes.
If you want to make money on the ACCCG go back to the team you were in Bowden's last years and stay at home during the title game. Then you can make cash money off the game.
Perhaps FSU would not be so financially challenged if you hadn't kept Bowden an extra five years and produced that 38-27 record that helped to undermine the value of the ACC. Now, Miami certainly helped you with that going 37-26 during the same five year period.
It's one thing to have a sense of entitlement when you consistently produce but FSU took nearly a decade off and the ACC paid the price and as a member of the ACC, you are paying the price now. Now, at least you righted your ship, unlike Miami which has never lived up to Miami standards in the ACC.
I realize that conference living is still new to you, but every school has it's niche. Some schools are for football, some for basketball, some for Olympic Sports, some are just cannon fodder for an easy in-conference win. All conferences have that mix.
Quit bitching about your sweetheart deal in the ACC where you get to play in a football conference against schools that don't solely live and die for football (Clemson and VT excluded) such that they pour all their resources into football. If you had to play in the SEC you would be eating one to two additional losses per year. And you would be one of the great football schools in the SEC, but not THE school.
You have the best of all worlds, in the ACC, yet you continue to ***** and moan. Recognize the good deal that you have and appreciate it for a change.
So that explains NC State's role in the conference.
Our role was to make Southern Conference and ACC basketball important in the 40's, and 50's since we had far and away the largest college basketball arena in the South between 1946 until the 1970's. When the ACC deemphasized football in 1962 thanks to Duke, basketball was all that was left for two decades. When our sports programs were deemphasized in 1991 thanks to our "friends" down the road at Chapel Hill, we have become somewhat redundant in the ACC. We would be of more value to the B10 or the SEC than we are to the ACC, but that will never happen.
I hold out hopes things will change, but at least we haven't failed to win a basketball game in Chapel Hill for the past 90 years. 
All that typing just to say "Yes, all NC State brings to the conference is to serve as cannon fodder for an easy win."
No football championships in 35 years and counting.
No basketball tournament championships in 40 years and counting.
You have a problem counting Kap, we won the ACC basketball title 5 times since 1970 - 1970, 1973, 1974, 1983, and 1987. Yeah it's been 27 years since our last ACC basketball title, but not 40. It's been 30 years since our second NCAA basketball title, and 40 since our first.
NC State and Clemson have been in the same conference since 1921 when we both joined the Southern Conference and then both left to form the ACC.
NC State won the conference championship in basketball in:
1929
1947
1948
1949
1950
1951
1952
1954
1955
1956
1959
1965
1970
1973
1974
1983
1987
Who knows, we may get two more in the late 90's early 00's if UNC is made to vacate wins they accrued with players that should not have been eligible?
We made the NCAA elite 8 in 1950, 1951, 1974, 1983, 1985, and 1985.
The final four in 1950, 1974, and 1983.
We were national champions in 1974 and 1983.
Unless I am forgetting, in 93 years Clemson has no conference title, not elite 8, no final four, and no national championship in basketball.
Yes you have a national football title voted by the pollsters in 1982. You have about 6 major football bowl wins.
You certainly have some football bragging rights, but in regards to basketball you should be hiding your face under a paper bag and as you well know, what the State of NC really cares about is basketball, not football.
