(11-22-2014 09:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Keep in mind that UNC's internal study showed that it would need an additional $50 million a year to compete at it's current level of competitiveness in the B10.

It would take UNC another $50M to field 7-5 football teams in the Big 10 and never win a conference title?

Because that seems to be their depth in ACC football.

The fact of the matter is that Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Kentucky will all soon be making about $15M more per year in TV money than UNC.

Over 10 years, that's $150M. That affects everything from coaching salary budgets to student athlete entitlement reform. And the deficit will only grow.

UNC and UVa can stay the only only two "University of"s in the ACC and be the big fish in a small pond while all the surrounding ponds grow significantly larger.

Or they can join all the other "University of"s in the Big 10 or SEC and keep up with the Joneses.

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Ficklen seats close to 50K. Kenan seats 63K, Carter-Finley seats about 58K. Ficklen is the fourth largest stadium in the State behind Panthers Stadium in Charlotte, UNC, then NC State. There are 10 million people in North Carolina.

The issue with ECU and the SEC is this: the UNC System President controls the votes of UNC-Ch, NCSU, and ECU Chancellors if he desires. On paper those decisions are the realm of the Chancellor, but should ECU go to the SEC, UNC-Ch would retaliate and the ECU Chancellor would probably get canned.

The SEC's choices in NC are WF, Duke, UNC, NC State, and ECU. They can't get Duke. They can't get UNC-Ch because they can't get Duke and because of the athletic cheating scandal. They might not be able to get NC State because UNC-CH would not want NC State to leave the ACC for the SEC and to be honest NC State might not be able to afford the cost of competition. That leaves WF and ECU.

The SEC in NC is somewhat of a red-herring issue because Charlotte, NC is the defacto joint capital of SC and NC. Through Charlotte, the SEC is seen in the Charlotte metro, Triad, and all over western NC.

What SEC football does not "penetrate" is NE NC, and Virginia east of Roanoke. However as has been mentioned, nothing the SEC can do will end the grasp that ACC basketball has on NC from December to March, nothing as many WF, Duke, UNC, and NC State fans will watch the other's games just hoping whom they hate loses.

(11-22-2014 10:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Wow...kind of "Self Righteous/Self Importance" on a Message Board...it is his opinion and unless you're a person in the know at one of the leagues his opinion is just as valid as yours...

If there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that this cat's not in the know of anything. He's spouting off BS like every other message board poster. Really, I kind of started tuning him out when he said West Virginia was a hub of information at any given time. I think suggesting ECU to the SEC was the deal breaker that sold me on this guy being full of crap. I think he just likes sounding and feeling more important and informed than he really is.

(11-22-2014 10:11 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Keep in mind that UNC's internal study showed that it would need an additional $50 million a year to compete at it's current level of competitiveness in the B10.

It would take UNC another $50M to field 7-5 football teams in the Big 10 and never win a conference title?

Because that seems to be their depth in ACC football.

The fact of the matter is that Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Kentucky will all soon be making about $15M more per year in TV money than UNC.

Over 10 years, that's $150M. That affects everything from coaching salary budgets to student athlete entitlement reform. And the deficit will only grow.

UNC and UVa can stay the only only two "University of"s in the ACC and be the big fish in a small pond while all the surrounding ponds grow significantly larger.

Or they can join all the other "University of"s in the Big 10 or SEC and keep up with the Joneses.

In that case it will also apply to many in the Big XII...JMO, as long as schools make enough to support their programs most of the same current 65 Schools will still be at the table...the Banners they are under might change but they will still be eating very well...

(11-22-2014 10:11 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Keep in mind that UNC's internal study showed that it would need an additional $50 million a year to compete at it's current level of competitiveness in the B10.

It would take UNC another $50M to field 7-5 football teams in the Big 10 and never win a conference title?

Because that seems to be their depth in ACC football.

The fact of the matter is that Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Kentucky will all soon be making about $15M more per year in TV money than UNC.

Over 10 years, that's $150M. That affects everything from coaching salary budgets to student athlete entitlement reform. And the deficit will only grow.

UNC and UVa can stay the only only two "University of"s in the ACC and be the big fish in a small pond while all the surrounding ponds grow significantly larger.

Or they can join all the other "University of"s in the Big 10 or SEC and keep up with the Joneses.

You don't understand UNC or UVa if you think money buys them out of their comfort spot. UVa has played in one Sugar Bowl and lost it 20 years ago. UNC has played in three Sugar or Cotton Bowls, all 65 years ago.

(11-22-2014 10:16 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  If there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that this cat's not in the know of anything. He's spouting off BS like every other message board poster. Really, I kind of started tuning him out when he said West Virginia was a hub of information at any given time. I think suggesting ECU to the SEC was the deal breaker that sold me on this guy being full of crap. I think he just likes sounding and feeling more important and informed than he really is.

(11-22-2014 10:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  Wow...kind of "Self Righteous/Self Importance" on a Message Board...it is his opinion and unless you're a person in the know at one of the leagues his opinion is just as valid as yours...

See? He adds nothing, as usual. Just more attacking. My comment about him keeping his childish outbursts was pertinent and deserved. He still continues, doing nothing but attacks. You can go ahead and defend a fellow Louisville poster but that doesn't really speak highly of you on an intellectual level Maize, you are better than that.

Actually if Rabbit had said it to you would have posted the same...point is you can disagree without being disagreeable...nothing more nothing less...but really not my fight.

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Did they suddenly triple in population overnight? TX is heading to 30M, UNC has a ways to go.

(11-22-2014 10:16 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Wow...kind of "Self Righteous/Self Importance" on a Message Board...it is his opinion and unless you're a person in the know at one of the leagues his opinion is just as valid as yours...

If there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that this cat's not in the know of anything. He's spouting off BS like every other message board poster. Really, I kind of started tuning him out when he said West Virginia was a hub of information at any given time. I think suggesting ECU to the SEC was the deal breaker that sold me on this guy being full of crap. I think he just likes sounding and feeling more important and informed than he really is.

I tend to agree Rabbit...he has some interesting speculation but all it is is theories...several holes in his ideas.

(11-22-2014 10:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  Actually if Rabbit had said it to you would have posted the same...point is you can disagree without being disagreeable...nothing more nothing less...but really not my fight.

Well, the problem for the SEC is that they desperately want into North Carolina but it became very clear that North Carolina did not wish to go there. The SEC's only real shot, in my opinion, at getting into North Carolina IS ECU.

Now, what can the SEC do with them? What can ESPN do? The largest stadium that can be expanded to at least 70k. ECU, in the SEC, would very likely become the strongest football program in the State. If you Louisville guys want to deny that, then fine, but perhaps you guys just don't wish to see ECU rise to that kind of level?


Besides, I wasn't even saying ECU as a lock. We were having an adult conversation about a conversation. His post was truly nothing more than a childish outburst in an attempt to stop the conversation. I highly doubt you would have formed your dissenting post in the same childish fashion Maize.

(11-22-2014 10:40 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:16 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Wow...kind of "Self Righteous/Self Importance" on a Message Board...it is his opinion and unless you're a person in the know at one of the leagues his opinion is just as valid as yours...

If there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that this cat's not in the know of anything. He's spouting off BS like every other message board poster. Really, I kind of started tuning him out when he said West Virginia was a hub of information at any given time. I think suggesting ECU to the SEC was the deal breaker that sold me on this guy being full of crap. I think he just likes sounding and feeling more important and informed than he really is.

I tend to agree Rabbit...he has some interesting speculation but all it is is theories...several holes in his ideas.

See, I can accept this. By all means, continue.

(11-22-2014 10:11 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:59 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Keep in mind that UNC's internal study showed that it would need an additional $50 million a year to compete at it's current level of competitiveness in the B10.

It would take UNC another $50M to field 7-5 football teams in the Big 10 and never win a conference title?

Because that seems to be their depth in ACC football.

The fact of the matter is that Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, Georgia and Kentucky will all soon be making about $15M more per year in TV money than UNC.

Over 10 years, that's $150M. That affects everything from coaching salary budgets to student athlete entitlement reform. And the deficit will only grow.

UNC and UVa can stay the only only two "University of"s in the ACC and be the big fish in a small pond while all the surrounding ponds grow significantly larger.

Or they can join all the other "University of"s in the Big 10 or SEC and keep up with the Joneses.

Sorry, the ACC is a big pond. Check the TV ratings lately?

(11-22-2014 10:19 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UVa has played in one Sugar Bowl and lost it 20 years ago. UNC has played in three Sugar or Cotton Bowls, all 65 years ago.

Pretty sad record given the level of ACC competition.

Are they really comfortable with that? They don't aspire to more?

If so, that's fine. Stay put and never be able to keep a coach that a Big 10 or SEC school comes after.

(11-22-2014 10:14 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:01 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:57 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Yup, I've hopped right off of this ship when someone suggested with a straight face that ECU could end up in the SEC. No way, no how. Move on. What's next/

You are welcome to believe as you wish. The facts are that ECU has the largest stadium in the State. They have the strongest following in terms of a fan base. While CUSA and the AAC aren't able to prop up ECU enough to be the strongest football program in the State, the SEC absolutely could.

North Carolina is a 30 million person State. It is flush with financial money. The SEC wants to be there.

Now, go back to your chair while the adults have their conversation. Please limit your child like one line outbursts.

Ficklen seats close to 50K. Kenan seats 63K, Carter-Finley seats about 58K. Ficklen is the fourth largest stadium in the State behind Panthers Stadium in Charlotte, UNC, then NC State. There are 10 million people in North Carolina.

The issue with ECU and the SEC is this: the UNC System President controls the votes of UNC-Ch, NCSU, and ECU Chancellors if he desires. On paper those decisions are the realm of the Chancellor, but should ECU go to the SEC, UNC-Ch would retaliate and the ECU Chancellor would probably get canned.

The SEC's choices in NC are WF, Duke, UNC, NC State, and ECU. They can't get Duke. They can't get UNC-Ch because they can't get Duke and because of the athletic cheating scandal. They might not be able to get NC State because UNC-CH would not want NC State to leave the ACC for the SEC and to be honest NC State might not be able to afford the cost of competition. That leaves WF and ECU.

The SEC in NC is somewhat of a red-herring issue because Charlotte, NC is the defacto joint capital of SC and NC. Through Charlotte, the SEC is seen in the Charlotte metro, Triad, and all over western NC.

What SEC football does not "penetrate" is NE NC, and Virginia east of Roanoke. However as has been mentioned, nothing the SEC can do will end the grasp that ACC basketball has on NC from December to March, nothing as many WF, Duke, UNC, and NC State fans will watch the other's games just hoping whom they hate loses.

So, what was your answer?

Sorry bro, you're the one talking about ESPN walking around a table whispering in ears and saying ECU to the SEC. You can't say that sort of thing and expect to be taken seriously, then say you're having an "adult conversation". You're throwing crap against the wall. I'm all for that 'cause this is a message board and that's what people do on message boards...but when someone calls you out for it, don't throw a hissyfit and say I'm just attacking. I'm not. I'm just not buying what you're trying to peddle. I'm hardly the one being childish. I gave you a lot of leeway here, but it became evident you were talking out of your rear end. The SEC may WANT North Carolina, but they certainly don't NEED North Carolina bad enough to resort to taking an American Conference team (sorry AAC fans). If they can't get either UNC or NCState, they'll be contented with what they do have and that's that or MAYBE look out west (OSU, Tech, K-State, Baylor, TCU?) The SEC would probably consider it sullying themselves to take a G5 school at this point and frankly, I think doing so WOULD damage their image (sorry G5 fans) a little.

(11-22-2014 11:15 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Sorry bro, you're the one talking about ESPN walking around a table whispering in ears and saying ECU to the SEC. You can't say that sort of thing and expect to be taken seriously, then say you're having an "adult conversation". You're throwing crap against the wall. I'm all for that 'cause this is a message board and that's what people do on message boards...but when someone calls you out for it, don't throw a hissyfit and say I'm just attacking. I'm not. I'm just not buying what you're trying to peddle. I'm hardly the one being childish. I gave you a lot of leeway here, but it became evident you were talking out of your rear end. The SEC may WANT North Carolina, but they certainly don't NEED North Carolina bad enough to resort to taking an American Conference team (sorry AAC fans). If they can't get either UNC or NCState, they'll be contented with what they do have and that's that or MAYBE look out west (OSU, Tech, K-State, Baylor, TCU?) The SEC would probably consider it sullying themselves to take a G5 school at this point and frankly, I think doing so WOULD damage their image (sorry G5 fans) a little.

Bro? Thank you for proving my point. As I said, I understand that the concept is beyond you. I am sorry that your infantile mind cannot grasp the concept that this was just a discussion. So you decided to blow it up....as a child would do.

The fact that you are saying I am the one having a hissyfit is amusing. Project much?

If the ACC were going to poach UT in all-sports, I still think they'd want a traveling partner for football. Baylor doesn't want to be an island in that way.

If the ACC only added two football schools, I think it'd be TWO Texas schools to solidify that presence.

If they added four, then maybe 2 Texas, one other, and WVU. It would strengthen their middle Atlantic football base.

(11-22-2014 10:43 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:19 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  UVa has played in one Sugar Bowl and lost it 20 years ago. UNC has played in three Sugar or Cotton Bowls, all 65 years ago.

Pretty sad record given the level of ACC competition.

Are they really comfortable with that? They don't aspire to more?

If so, that's fine. Stay put and never be able to keep a coach that a Big 10 or SEC school comes after.

UVa does not "aspire" to be a football factory. They don't need it. They are old, rich, and as close to an Ivy League school that a public school gets. You are applying Texas-based values onto UVa. Their values are different. The vast majority of UNC alums and boosters made peace with football mediocrity a half century ago - as long as they had basketball. It's a tiny sliver at UNC that are the big-time football boosters and their credibility has been destroyed by the cheating scandal. Athletics, football in particular, is a costly side show at UNC-Ch.

Sure, they would both love to win a national championship in football, but UVa has too much integrity to stoop low enough and every time UNC has stooped that low it has come back to bite them on the ass.

I know you need football in the deep south to self-validate, but not in the mid South or mid Atlantic region. Not playing big time football has not hurt Chicago, Harvard, Case-Western, Columbia, or Cornell and it wont hurt UNC or UVa to play it at a mediocre level.

(11-22-2014 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 10:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  Actually if Rabbit had said it to you would have posted the same...point is you can disagree without being disagreeable...nothing more nothing less...but really not my fight.

Well, the problem for the SEC is that they desperately want into North Carolina but it became very clear that North Carolina did not wish to go there. The SEC's only real shot, in my opinion, at getting into North Carolina IS ECU.

Now, what can the SEC do with them? What can ESPN do? The largest stadium that can be expanded to at least 70k. ECU, in the SEC, would very likely become the strongest football program in the State. If you Louisville guys want to deny that, then fine, but perhaps you guys just don't wish to see ECU rise to that kind of level?


Besides, I wasn't even saying ECU as a lock. We were having an adult conversation about a conversation. His post was truly nothing more than a childish outburst in an attempt to stop the conversation. I highly doubt you would have formed your dissenting post in the same childish fashion Maize.

It is possible that ECU can make it to the P5 level...hell UofL did it but it is going to IMO take a HUGE Investment on both the Academic and Athletic Side...at Louisville still have a ways to go but improving on the Academics but Tom Jurich has laid the Model on what to do and how to invest on the Athletic Side...

(11-22-2014 11:23 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 11:15 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Sorry bro, you're the one talking about ESPN walking around a table whispering in ears and saying ECU to the SEC. You can't say that sort of thing and expect to be taken seriously, then say you're having an "adult conversation". You're throwing crap against the wall. I'm all for that 'cause this is a message board and that's what people do on message boards...but when someone calls you out for it, don't throw a hissyfit and say I'm just attacking. I'm not. I'm just not buying what you're trying to peddle. I'm hardly the one being childish. I gave you a lot of leeway here, but it became evident you were talking out of your rear end. The SEC may WANT North Carolina, but they certainly don't NEED North Carolina bad enough to resort to taking an American Conference team (sorry AAC fans). If they can't get either UNC or NCState, they'll be contented with what they do have and that's that or MAYBE look out west (OSU, Tech, K-State, Baylor, TCU?) The SEC would probably consider it sullying themselves to take a G5 school at this point and frankly, I think doing so WOULD damage their image (sorry G5 fans) a little.

Bro? Thank you for proving my point. As I said, I understand that the concept is beyond you. I am sorry that your infantile mind cannot grasp the concept that this was just a discussion. So you decided to blow it up....as a child would do.

The fact that you are saying I am the one having a hissyfit is amusing. Project much?

Listen kid, I know you're trying to play the "smartest kid in the room" card here, but come off it. The more you attack me for pointing out how full of crap you are, the less credible you're making yourself sound. ECU to the SEC. Sure. And I'll be the next Pope...

Other posters in here may pull that stick from your ass, sniff it, tell you how wonderful it smells before gently placing it back into your anus...but I ain't that guy, pal. I know BS when I smell it, and your posts are reeking of it right now. If you want to come on out and say that you're speculating and throwing crap against the wall like everyone else on a message board, that's fine. Like I said, that's what these boards are for. However, stop acting like you know something when it's brutally obvious to those of us with half a brain that you really don't.