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RE: Huskie Wire's Nitz Comments on treatment of Carey by Fans
(11-21-2014 12:09 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 11:57 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote:  I think it's hard to compare kill to Carey. Carey is recruiting off of an orange bowl team and a team that was 1 win away from another bcs game. To me the jury is still out on who is the better recruiter but if I had to pick jerry "the recruiting machine" kill still has my vote.

Novak got the program out of obscurity. Kill brought the program to national recognition with his recruits. It remains to be seen how Carey's kids will fare. It's too early to tell - we're just speculating right now. At least Carey can sell facility upgrades and a BCS bowl appearance, so he has a recruiting advantage his predecesors didn't have.

You also need to consider Facilities... Novak had nothing in this regard, Kill had Yordon, DD had Yordon and Chessik.

Now you take the facility upgrades and the recent success and you need to build on it and Carey has(it seems) done just that.
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(11-21-2014 08:47 AM)BobL Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 12:09 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 11:57 PM)numbersdontlie Wrote:  I think it's hard to compare kill to Carey. Carey is recruiting off of an orange bowl team and a team that was 1 win away from another bcs game. To me the jury is still out on who is the better recruiter but if I had to pick jerry "the recruiting machine" kill still has my vote.

Novak got the program out of obscurity. Kill brought the program to national recognition with his recruits. It remains to be seen how Carey's kids will fare. It's too early to tell - we're just speculating right now. At least Carey can sell facility upgrades and a BCS bowl appearance, so he has a recruiting advantage his predecesors didn't have.

You also need to consider Facilities... Novak had nothing in this regard, Kill had Yordon, DD had Yordon and Chessik.

Now you take the facility upgrades and the recent success and you need to build on it and Carey has(it seems) done just that.

Technically, Doeren didn't have the Chessick Center. It was announced and construction started during his tenure, but it wasn't completed until last year.
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(11-20-2014 11:28 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Carey is a little like Kill - don't feel he is the warm fuzzy type, decent guys but not the friendliest. Doreen and Novak have/had a better public personality and were generally morel likeable people. 1981 mention Carey's recruiting may even match Kill's (highest standard) I tend to agree. Looking at the 2015 class, IMO if the OLINE recruits hold it will be the best group of incoming OLINE in NIU history.

Love the 14' class -how they found that DT Compton from JC was solid, the Dbs a solid group with a star or 2 in there, the other Lineman both O & D. We are waiting on offensive firepower if its there in Qb & WR. Carey and NIU can recruit.

Have you met and talked to all the coaches? I've met all of them, and your assessment of the coaches, as far as personality, is far from the truth in my opinion. Doeren was/is very aloof. There is a reason why boosters didn't like him at Wisconsin and now NC State. Joe never gave me a friendly vibe either. On the other hand, both Kill and Carey have been totally friendly towards me.

I remember the first time I met Kill at a Caravan, he went out of his way to talk to me and even introduced me to his wife. Carey has been the same way. I went to the X and O's this year, and then the caravan, and he even remembered my name. I don't think Doeren would have done that.

I'm not saying Doeren was a bad coach, just a lot more intense with I'm just doing this because I have too attitude.
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Yeah, I don't think anybody saying Doeren was more likeable than Carey has ever spoken to the two. Carey is way more friendly and approachable than Doeren. He just uses a lot of coach speak to the media which is understandable when you consider the Orange Bowl fiasco.
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I always thought Joe was pretty warm in person as well.
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(11-21-2014 09:25 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I always thought Joe was pretty warm in person as well.

Joe's a very nice guy if you didn't engage him too much about NIU football. I got the feeling like he'd prefer to talk about pretty much anything else. Same with Doeren. I had a great conversation with Doeren about our kids at one event, and that was by far the most approachable he ever was that I saw. He wasn't a natural schmoozer. Kill was. Kill would talk forever, and so would his assistants. HuskieBob and I once cornered Tracy Claeys and BS'd with him for an entire basketball game and he was either the most patient guy I've ever met, or really enjoyed it. After it was over, Kill came over to us and asked, "So'd you get him all straightened out? Gol'darn!!" (you knew there'd be something folksy with him).

I've generally had great interactions with most NIU coaches I've met. The worst was that women's soccer coach that took over after the woman that played for the national team left for Baylor. She was worthless, and the record spoke to that.
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Novak seemed very nice when I talked to him briefly at one of the MACC games. And Carey seemed personable at the X's and O's event. I never met Doeren or Kill.
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(11-21-2014 08:53 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 11:28 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Carey is a little like Kill - don't feel he is the warm fuzzy type, decent guys but not the friendliest. Doreen and Novak have/had a better public personality and were generally morel likeable people. 1981 mention Carey's recruiting may even match Kill's (highest standard) I tend to agree. Looking at the 2015 class, IMO if the OLINE recruits hold it will be the best group of incoming OLINE in NIU history.

Love the 14' class -how they found that DT Compton from JC was solid, the Dbs a solid group with a star or 2 in there, the other Lineman both O & D. We are waiting on offensive firepower if its there in Qb & WR. Carey and NIU can recruit.

Have you met and talked to all the coaches? I've met all of them, and your assessment of the coaches, as far as personality, is far from the truth in my opinion. Doeren was/is very aloof. There is a reason why boosters didn't like him at Wisconsin and now NC State. Joe never gave me a friendly vibe either. On the other hand, both Kill and Carey have been totally friendly towards me.

I remember the first time I met Kill at a Caravan, he went out of his way to talk to me and even introduced me to his wife. Carey has been the same way. I went to the Q and A's this year, and then the caravan, and he even remembered my name. I don't think Doeren would have done that.

I'm not saying Doeren was a bad coach, just a lot more intense with I'm just doing this because I have too attitude.

Met them all, surprised about the Joe comment. One of the finest I have met in sports.

I really do like Carey's recruiting and feel he has a legitimate shot to be compared to "THE MACHINE" . W obviously need more time, but I really like what I am seeing. We will know in a few more years.
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(11-21-2014 10:49 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Met them all, surprised about the Joe comment. One of the finest I have met in sports.

I really do like Carey's recruiting and feel he has a legitimate shot to be compared to "THE MACHINE" . W obviously need more time, but I really like what I am seeing. We will know in a few more years.

Saw Doeren and Carey interacting with a few recruits one short time (so not a complete review)...but Carey is by far more personable with a recruits whole family than Doeren was. I think helps prove the Family part of the program more than ever before.
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(11-21-2014 08:53 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  Have you met and talked to all the coaches? I've met all of them, and your assessment of the coaches, as far as personality, is far from the truth in my opinion. Doeren was/is very aloof. There is a reason why boosters didn't like him at Wisconsin and now NC State. Joe never gave me a friendly vibe either. On the other hand, both Kill and Carey have been totally friendly towards me.

I remember the first time I met Kill at a Caravan, he went out of his way to talk to me and even introduced me to his wife. Carey has been the same way. I went to the X and O's this year, and then the caravan, and he even remembered my name. I don't think Doeren would have done that.

I'm not saying Doeren was a bad coach, just a lot more intense with I'm just doing this because I have too attitude.

Notice how many different perceptions there are of the coaches? Some of that may be due to what else was happening at the time. At least on some occasions, the coaches are fulfilling an obligation when they have other concerns on their mind, so maybe they don't give off the greatest vibe.
No disrespect, but the majority of folks are a better gauge than any one single person. Your statement that "Joe never game me a friendly vibe" is in contrast to most everyone else. It might have been one of those days or perhaps he didn't get a friendly vibe from you.
Your impressions of Doreen and boosters is consistent with the opinions of a lot of folks on here.
Just about everyone comments on Kill's folksy demeanor so that's probably accurate, however, because of the way his departure was botched by the administration at that time, there are folks on here who will never forgive him.
Reviews on Carey have been mixed and the key might be who is dealing with. He may be great with recruits and their families, and good one-on-one with boosters, but speaking to a large group or dealing with the media, he can come across as a jerk.
Also have to agree with BobL noting that recruiting for NIU has changed with the facilities and the success of the program. As he noted, Novak had nothing in terms of facilities or previous success. By the time Kill took over, the perception of Huskie football was a positive one. By the time Doreen took over, the perception was NIU had become a perennial bowl contender. By the time Carey took over, because of the Orange Bowl and Herbs--t's snarkiness, Huskie football was thought of as deserving more respect. With each year it's been easier to sell the idea that a recruit can continue the success or perhaps reach an even higher level.
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(11-21-2014 11:23 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 08:53 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  Have you met and talked to all the coaches? I've met all of them, and your assessment of the coaches, as far as personality, is far from the truth in my opinion. Doeren was/is very aloof. There is a reason why boosters didn't like him at Wisconsin and now NC State. Joe never gave me a friendly vibe either. On the other hand, both Kill and Carey have been totally friendly towards me.

I remember the first time I met Kill at a Caravan, he went out of his way to talk to me and even introduced me to his wife. Carey has been the same way. I went to the X and O's this year, and then the caravan, and he even remembered my name. I don't think Doeren would have done that.

I'm not saying Doeren was a bad coach, just a lot more intense with I'm just doing this because I have too attitude.

Notice how many different perceptions there are of the coaches? Some of that may be due to what else was happening at the time. At least on some occasions, the coaches are fulfilling an obligation when they have other concerns on their mind, so maybe they don't give off the greatest vibe.
No disrespect, but the majority of folks are a better gauge than any one single person. Your statement that "Joe never game me a friendly vibe" is in contrast to most everyone else. It might have been one of those days or perhaps he didn't get a friendly vibe from you.
Your impressions of Doreen and boosters is consistent with the opinions of a lot of folks on here.
Just about everyone comments on Kill's folksy demeanor so that's probably accurate, however, because of the way his departure was botched by the administration at that time, there are folks on here who will never forgive him.
Reviews on Carey have been mixed and the key might be who is dealing with. He may be great with recruits and their families, and good one-on-one with boosters, but speaking to a large group or dealing with the media, he can come across as a jerk.
Also have to agree with BobL noting that recruiting for NIU has changed with the facilities and the success of the program. As he noted, Novak had nothing in terms of facilities or previous success. By the time Kill took over, the perception of Huskie football was a positive one. By the time Doreen took over, the perception was NIU had become a perennial bowl contender. By the time Carey took over, because of the Orange Bowl and Herbs--t's snarkiness, Huskie football was thought of as deserving more respect. With each year it's been easier to sell the idea that a recruit can continue the success or perhaps reach an even higher level.

Yes everyone's opinion is going to be different. But the original poster said that Novak and Doeren were friendly and Carey and Kill were not. It sure seems like that isn't the case reading the follow-ups from my original post, especially concerning Kill, Doeren and Carey. That was my point.
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(11-20-2014 01:43 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Also appeared in Daily Herald today:


http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2014/.../index.xml

Quote:It's amazing how many anti-Rod Carey tweets our HuskieWire account sees, even during a win. How about giving the guy some credit? Carey now has a 21-5 record as a head coach. Yes, he's playing with mostly Jerry Kill/Dave Doeren players, and he can't fully be judged until he wins with his own guys. But for now, Carey certainly deserves a good grade.

Carey has done a good job but he is very abrasive to people when he doesnt need to be. Not sure what I like better because people really like our coach but he hasnt beat NIU, although he has a good record too. But I think we can all agree that it would be better if everyone was a little nicer and diplomatic all around. Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too. But he is right, the guy is winning but I am not sure that is an excuse?
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(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 01:43 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Also appeared in Daily Herald today:


http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2014/.../index.xml

Quote:It's amazing how many anti-Rod Carey tweets our HuskieWire account sees, even during a win. How about giving the guy some credit? Carey now has a 21-5 record as a head coach. Yes, he's playing with mostly Jerry Kill/Dave Doeren players, and he can't fully be judged until he wins with his own guys. But for now, Carey certainly deserves a good grade.

Carey has done a good job but he is very abrasive to people when he doesnt need to be. Not sure what I like better because people really like our coach but he hasnt beat NIU, although he has a good record too. But I think we can all agree that it would be better if everyone was a little nicer and diplomatic all around. Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too. But he is right, the guy is winning but I am not sure that is an excuse?
Except he's not...at all.
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(11-21-2014 12:47 PM)7 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 01:43 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Also appeared in Daily Herald today:


http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2014/.../index.xml

Quote:It's amazing how many anti-Rod Carey tweets our HuskieWire account sees, even during a win. How about giving the guy some credit? Carey now has a 21-5 record as a head coach. Yes, he's playing with mostly Jerry Kill/Dave Doeren players, and he can't fully be judged until he wins with his own guys. But for now, Carey certainly deserves a good grade.

Carey has done a good job but he is very abrasive to people when he doesnt need to be. Not sure what I like better because people really like our coach but he hasnt beat NIU, although he has a good record too. But I think we can all agree that it would be better if everyone was a little nicer and diplomatic all around. Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too. But he is right, the guy is winning but I am not sure that is an excuse?
Except he's not...at all.

Exactly!
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Quote:Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too.

When interviewed at half-time he many times comes off as a cranky plumber. Yes, the fans DO go off on him (and Hare) during the games on here-- but in the end, they cherish him and Hare as if everything's just fine. It's called sweating it out to the nTH degree. :)
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(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 01:43 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Also appeared in Daily Herald today:


http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2014/.../index.xml

Quote:It's amazing how many anti-Rod Carey tweets our HuskieWire account sees, even during a win. How about giving the guy some credit? Carey now has a 21-5 record as a head coach. Yes, he's playing with mostly Jerry Kill/Dave Doeren players, and he can't fully be judged until he wins with his own guys. But for now, Carey certainly deserves a good grade.

Carey has done a good job but he is very abrasive to people when he doesnt need to be. Not sure what I like better because people really like our coach but he hasnt beat NIU, although he has a good record too. But I think we can all agree that it would be better if everyone was a little nicer and diplomatic all around. Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too. But he is right, the guy is winning but I am not sure that is an excuse?

I think I might enjoy the interviews more than his coaching to be honest. Guy gets to the point, and some people are overly sensitive and can't handle that, but I certainly prefer it. His interviews crack me up.
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(11-21-2014 03:41 PM)Huskies2006 Wrote:  
(11-21-2014 12:39 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 01:43 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  Also appeared in Daily Herald today:


http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2014/.../index.xml

Quote:It's amazing how many anti-Rod Carey tweets our HuskieWire account sees, even during a win. How about giving the guy some credit? Carey now has a 21-5 record as a head coach. Yes, he's playing with mostly Jerry Kill/Dave Doeren players, and he can't fully be judged until he wins with his own guys. But for now, Carey certainly deserves a good grade.

Carey has done a good job but he is very abrasive to people when he doesnt need to be. Not sure what I like better because people really like our coach but he hasnt beat NIU, although he has a good record too. But I think we can all agree that it would be better if everyone was a little nicer and diplomatic all around. Carey does come off as a jerk often and he doenst need too. But he is right, the guy is winning but I am not sure that is an excuse?

I think I might enjoy the interviews more than his coaching to be honest. Guy gets to the point, and some people are overly sensitive and can't handle that, but I certainly prefer it. His interviews crack me up.

He comes across as a little blunt in interviews, but TBH I don't have any issues with his answers. Like you said, he gets to the point.
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(11-21-2014 09:25 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  I always thought Joe was pretty warm in person as well.

Mike Sabock though - that guy scared the pants off of me a half-dozen times at Huskie Stadium just by looking in my general direction.
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(11-20-2014 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  I bet he'll get at least another year extension and they'll bump up his buyout if he doesn't leave.
Am I missing something? Why the hell would they give him another extension at this point? His contract already goes until 2019. If he is still around in a few years and doing well, then it will be fine but it seems to early to extend even farther at this point.
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(11-21-2014 09:01 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  I bet he'll get at least another year extension and they'll bump up his buyout if he doesn't leave.
Am I missing something? Why the hell would they give him another extension at this point? His contract already goes until 2019. If he is still around in a few years and doing well, then it will be fine but it seems to early to extend even farther at this point.

Yes an extension would make zero sense, Carey has a lot to prove as a head coach, no reason to jump the gun on this. Early returns are mixed, but I guess you cant argue with the record.
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