Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

I think what made Pinkel special were his 10-1 and 11-0-1 seasons, the titanic struggles with Marshall with crazy fans and the win over Penn State.

Campbell's career is a much smaller sample, but he needs a couple of big seasons and signature wins, not just winning percentage.

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

Throw in a win or two over Mizzouri and Florida and nobody be b*tchin...

(11-20-2014 01:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

Throw in a win or two over Mizzouri and Florida and nobody be b*tchin...

That's a ridiculous criteria. You mean AP Poll's #5 Mizzou(12-2) last season and #19(8-2) this year? UT was no match for UF's talent when they played. Gator's were too physical defensively. Rockets were lucky to keep the game as close as it was. It had nothing to do with coaching only talent.

(11-20-2014 02:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

Throw in a win or two over Mizzouri and Florida and nobody be b*tchin...

That's a ridiculous criteria. You mean AP Poll's #5 Mizzou(12-2) last season and #19(8-2) this year? UT was no match for UF's talent when they played. Gator's were too physical defensively. Rockets were lucky to keep the game as close as it was. It had nothing to do with coaching only talent.

If Owens were more accurate in last year's game at The Swamp, Toledo would have walked out with a "W". He missed guys by 5 yards or more several times. The killer was when he overthrew a wide open Fluellen by almost 10 yards who would have scored easily. Sigh. What could have been.

(11-20-2014 02:58 PM)FtLauderdaleRocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 02:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

Throw in a win or two over Mizzouri and Florida and nobody be b*tchin...

That's a ridiculous criteria. You mean AP Poll's #5 Mizzou(12-2) last season and #19(8-2) this year? UT was no match for UF's talent when they played. Gator's were too physical defensively. Rockets were lucky to keep the game as close as it was. It had nothing to do with coaching only talent.

If Owens were more accurate in last year's game at The Swamp, Toledo would have walked out with a "W". He missed guys by 5 yards or more several times. The killer was when he overthrew a wide open Fluellen by almost 10 yards who would have scored easily. Sigh. What could have been.

This year I thought UT was no match for the Missouri's defense, but last year at Columbia I thought that UT's offense matched up very well with the Missouri defense and in fact except for three ill advised TO interceptions, UT had a real chance to win that game.

Any power conference team UT plays is likely to have the talent advantage yet with better game preparation, coaching or experience UT has managed to win a number of those games in the past----just not recently.

(11-20-2014 02:03 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 11:13 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Campbell 3 seasons Overall 64.9% MAC 78.3% BGSU 100% #MAC Championships 0
Pinkel 10 seasons Overall 65.9% MAC 69.0% BGSU 50% #MAC Championships 1

Throw in a win or two over Mizzouri and Florida and nobody be b*tchin...

That's a ridiculous criteria. You mean AP Poll's #5 Mizzou(12-2) last season and #19(8-2) this year? UT was no match for UF's talent when they played. Gator's were too physical defensively. Rockets were lucky to keep the game as close as it was. It had nothing to do with coaching only talent.

They could've beaten Florida and Missouri last year. Don't tell me the talent level was that far apart...

I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

I guess the most telling thing about that stat comparison is the fact that in Pinkel's last six years - he had an undefeated team in 1995 and a 10-1 team in 2000 -and was in the MAC championship game 2 times out of 4. It was also in the days when Miami was still a factor in the MAC and BG hit one of their peaks with some pretty good teams. His record in the first 5 years was not that great - and he was also a first time head coach with an OC who most considered to not be very good early on - or, maybe ever - but he was also constrained by the conservative Pinkel.

Too bad Saban wasn't content to be a really good coach at a mid major for 20+ years.

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Maybe they were more talented but my buddy was at the game with me and he is a huge OSU fan and even he was amazed at our talent level. The main reason we lost that game was poor execution from the QB and bad playcalling.

Everyone has x's and o's. You win with Joe's!

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Owens had to rush just about every pass because of the Gator pass rush. Most of the UT receivers couldn't hold onto FB when the Gator DB's hit them. And the Rocket OL weren't able to block well enough to run the FB with any consistency.

(11-20-2014 10:17 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Owens had to rush just about every pass because of the Gator pass rush. Most of the UT receivers couldn't hold onto FB when the Gator DB's hit them. And the Rocket OL weren't able to block well enough to run the FB with any consistency.

Owens must of felt rushed all season because he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

(11-21-2014 01:10 AM)owen Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 10:17 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Owens had to rush just about every pass because of the Gator pass rush. Most of the UT receivers couldn't hold onto FB when the Gator DB's hit them. And the Rocket OL weren't able to block well enough to run the FB with any consistency.

Owens must of felt rushed all season because he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn

He did complete 61% of his passes as a senior.

(11-20-2014 10:17 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Owens had to rush just about every pass because of the Gator pass rush. Most of the UT receivers couldn't hold onto FB when the Gator DB's hit them. And the Rocket OL weren't able to block well enough to run the FB with any consistency.

Toledo didn't even try to run the ball in that game. Toledo had 16 rush attempts compared to 38 passes. David Fluellen had 49 yards on only 9 attempts.

(11-21-2014 11:26 PM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 10:17 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 09:19 PM)tolfbfan Wrote:  I was at Florida and I would of took their QB, half the oline, two of their receivers, their entire D line, one linebacker, and their entire Db's. That,s 14 0f the 22. I think their 14 were noticeably better than ours and our 8 were marginally better than their 8 I didn't pick. That leads me to believe their talent level was quite a bit different than ours. My heart says different, but my mind says so.

Owens had to rush just about every pass because of the Gator pass rush. Most of the UT receivers couldn't hold onto FB when the Gator DB's hit them. And the Rocket OL weren't able to block well enough to run the FB with any consistency.

Toledo didn't even try to run the ball in that game. Toledo had 16 rush attempts compared to 38 passes. David Fluellen had 49 yards on only 9 attempts.

net rushing yds=50 yds in 16 attempts. total offense =205 yds/54 plays.
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Rocket A always beats me to the rush the ball idea! We didn't even try to run the ball vs Florida and TO killed us vs Mizzu! Flu was a beast in that game on the swing passes but TO throw INT in the end zone before half which was at least 3 points for UT, picked closed to the red zone and the fumble over the top of his head! We were in both those games last year! Run the ball vs FL (Look at GA So) and don't turn it over vs Mizzu and those two games could have been very very close!

(11-22-2014 06:05 PM)UTCHARGER73 Wrote:  Rocket A always beats me to the rush the ball idea! We didn't even try to run the ball vs Florida and TO killed us vs Mizzu! Flu was a beast in that game on the swing passes but TO throw INT in the end zone before half which was at least 3 points for UT, picked closed to the red zone and the fumble over the top of his head! We were in both those games last year! Run the ball vs FL (Look at GA So) and don't turn it over vs Mizzu and those two games could have been very very close!

The Gator team GA So beat was decimated by injuries. It wasn't anything like what the Rockets played in the opener, except for the uniforms.

Boca...you are a great Rocket and always the optimist and resident statistician but stats are just stats. The Rockets were in both of those games and I came away impressed with how talented and athletic the Rockets were when matching up with those SEC teams. Of course the Gators have 4 and 5 star recruits on their team but the Rockets definitely looked the part.

But Campbell has done a bunch of great stuff with this group of players. They are the best group of students and citizens that I can remember and he has never lost to BG. If he can manage to get them into the MACC and win it...there just may be a payday for him and Candle at another school. Hell, the joker from BG got an offer from an ACC school after doing a lot less.

(11-23-2014 01:35 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Boca...you are a great Rocket and always the optimist and resident statistician but stats are just stats. The Rockets were in both of those games and I came away impressed with how talented and athletic the Rockets were when matching up with those SEC teams. Of course the Gators have 4 and 5 star recruits on their team but the Rockets definitely looked the part.

But Campbell has done a bunch of great stuff with this group of players. They are the best group of students and citizens that I can remember and he has never lost to BG. If he can manage to get them into the MACC and win it...there just may be a payday for him and Candle at another school. Hell, the joker from BG got an offer from an ACC school after doing a lot less.

Love the Rockets! UF's last 2 drives of the game, they missed a FG and basically let the clock run out with the FB at the Rocket 4 yard line. Could of easily been 31-6 or 34-6. Not really a close game, but UT never quit in the brutal N FL August heat. Mizzou in Columbia,Rockets just made too many UT mistakes.