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Poll- What should be the GOP's response?
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I find it interesting that virtually all the commentary from the left is about the political impact. Almost nothing about whether it's actually a good idea, or legal, or constitutional.
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(11-20-2014 10:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He'll also go down with many families having his picture hang in their living rooms. He just pulled a pin on a grenade and dumped it into the GOP's caucus. He's going to be seen as the emancipator of Latinos. Out of the shadows and into the light.

Just hold him to his words. He said he wanted to increase border security, fine. From this date every illegal crossing will be deported. He said that while they wouldn't be deported, illegals already in the US wouldn't be granted citizenship. That should squash the whole apartheid argument. Just give the POTUS a bill that word for word codifies the gray area he has defined for illegals. The republicans don't need to fight this if they want the WH in 2016.

(11-20-2014 11:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Are you kidding? They work harder than most.

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1. I like how associate work ethic with race. 05-nono
2. If working hard is all it takes to make a nation great, why come to the US?

I'd also like a supporter of this initiative to tell me exactly what the benefits are to giving approval to those who violated the nations' sovereignty to legal cover to remain in the US.
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11-21-2014 02:22 AM
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Of course it's legal and constitutional, but I would play the clips of him saying it's not over and over and over. I never thought he was serious about solving the problem. He just liked the politics of it and said those things to keep heat of of him from his base. What's absolutely crazy to me. This whole process will hurt labor and help 1/3rd of the GOP base. I think I have typed this out at least three times already. You just know a solid 1/3rd of the blue blood country club types are toasting champagne glasses tonight. Owl must skip over my posts if he hasn't seen people comment on good idea, or legal, or constitutional.

Is it a good idea. Again it's not an absolute. It screws some over while helping others.
11-21-2014 07:52 AM
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It also goes to show you that the power of organized labor is on life support. Critically ill. Will not recover.
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(11-21-2014 07:52 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Of course it's legal and constitutional, but I would play the clips of him saying it's not over and over and over. I never thought he was serious about solving the problem. He just liked the politics of it and said those things to keep heat of of him from his base. What's absolutely crazy to me. This whole process will hurt labor and help 1/3rd of the GOP base. I think I have typed this out at least three times already. You just know a solid 1/3rd of the blue blood country club types are toasting champagne glasses tonight. Owl must skip over my posts if he hasn't seen people comment on good idea, or legal, or constitutional.

Is it a good idea. Again it's not an absolute. It screws some over while helping others.

As long as it's not expanded beyond what the POTUS stated last night, then I can live with what was proposed. I've yet to see what the EO actually says, but that is why I want it codified as law. If you commit a crime your voting privilege is revoked, he said that. A path to residency now exists but not citizenship, this is a direct quote. I think he has helped the GOP because this can no longer be a bullet for the DNC. Republicans just need to focus on jobs and going after employers that hire illegals in 2016.

(11-21-2014 07:56 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It also goes to show you that the power of organized labor is on life support. Critically ill. Will not recover.

If you are going to use this metaphor, at least be accurate. Unions have been kept on life support for over 20 years due to their own self inflicted wounds. If anything, the death of organized labor would be a mercy killing.
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(11-20-2014 11:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that virtually all the commentary from the left is about the political impact. Almost nothing about whether it's actually a good idea, or legal, or constitutional.

I don't know if it is any of those things.

I will say however is that it's the moral thing to do.

That, in my book, is more important than anything else.
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(11-20-2014 11:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Are you kidding? They work harder than most.

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I agree and that's exactly why I think they will become Republican voters. They don't believe in welfare. They are religious, support strong families (with a male father and female mother), abhor abortion, etc.

They are not even fully supportive of amnesty:

Quote:...according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Latinos are divided, with 43 percent supporting the action and 37 percent opposing it...

Republicans, all the way.
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(11-21-2014 12:17 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 11:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Are you kidding? They work harder than most.

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I agree and that's exactly why I think they will become Republican voters. They don't believe in welfare. They are religious, support strong families (with a male father and female mother), abhor abortion, etc.

They are not even fully supportive of amnesty:

Quote:...according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Latinos are divided, with 43 percent supporting the action and 37 percent opposing it...

Republicans, all the way.

You are 100% correct. Their value system is very much in line with Republican values. However, you and I both know that they actually vote democrat.

Want to know why?

I'll give you the answer in visual terms.

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(11-21-2014 11:07 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 11:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that virtually all the commentary from the left is about the political impact. Almost nothing about whether it's actually a good idea, or legal, or constitutional.

I don't know if it is any of those things.

I will say however is that it's the moral thing to do.

That, in my book, is more important than anything else.

What morals, if any, played apart of this decision? This was a life they selected for themselves, it wasn't forced upon illegals. They could have waited like everyone else who is separated by ocean and applied for lawful entry into the US.
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My bottom line is that I don't really disagree with what Obama did substantively. I think his methods were illegal and unconstitutional, and I truly fear the unintended consequences of the precedent that has been set here.

As I've said before, I would favor permanent or long-term guest worker status, with no path to citizenship, for all illegals currently here, other than the felons and other miscreants. We really cannot send 11 million people back to Mexico, as that would create a situation on our southern border that we simply don't want. I think it's very likely that al-Qaeda or ISIS or whichever group would quickly establish a presence in the anarchic Mexican state that would result, and I could easily see pop-up scuds launched into LAX, SDG, PHX, TUC, ELP, SAT.

If I were the republicans, I would pass permanent/long-term guest worker status, no path to citizenship for illegals, and vastly upgraded border security in one package and send it to Obama. That approach solves the immediate problem, but still keeps those who took the legal path to citizenship ahead of the ones who came illegally. I could see that winning a lot of favor in the Latino community, particularly the legal Latino community who are citizens and vote. With the social conservatism that characterizes many Latinos, the republicans could actually create a voting bloc favorable to them.

But they're too stupid to do that.
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Quote:You are 100% correct. Their value system is very much in line with Republican values. However, you and I both know that they actually vote democrat.

You are correct in their voting which is not quite 2-1 now. But, that only means that as Hispanics achieve middle class status, and the immigration issue falls into the back ground, the Republicans have an opportunity to peel off ever more Hispanic votes. And they will.

And your suggestion about House chairmanships is naive. Its about immigration and the narrative that only Dems care.
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(11-21-2014 01:55 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  
Quote:You are 100% correct. Their value system is very much in line with Republican values. However, you and I both know that they actually vote democrat.

You are correct in their voting which is not quite 2-1 now. But, that only means that as Hispanics achieve middle class status, and the immigration issue falls into the back ground, the Republicans have an opportunity to peel off ever more Hispanic votes. And they will.

And your suggestion about House chairmanships is naive. Its about immigration and the narrative that only Dems care.

I want Hispanics to achieve middle class status and I want the immigration issue to fall into the back ground.

If those two things happen, I will rejoice in the Republicans peeling off Hispanic votes.


All along all I have ever wanted was for the Republican party to become more appealing to Hispanics.

If they were just a little more diverse, I would be happy to vote Republican.
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