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Van?

If what you say is true than we certainly would have seen an alternative plan by now, no? Hell Boehner's own caucas bailed on him and Cantor when they just wanted to put up a ceremonial alternative to the ACHA.
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(11-20-2014 10:33 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  So What states get the lions share of millions of new Democrat voters ? Texas, Florida, Ohio, Louisiana , Arizona? Gee that could win any Election by overpowering the voter outcomes with those states. I See a Pattern here. This is the Only reason to do this. And control Senate Seats , Congressional Seats and Govenorships for decades. Folks, It's Obamas Legacy and His Master Plan for Democrat Dominance.

Maybe Republicans will learn Spanish and hold campaigns to these people in their language... 03-lmfao
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(11-20-2014 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 08:21 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 12:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

Lol Quit confusing them with facts.

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Except as has already been pointed out earlier both Reagan and GHW Bush worked in conjunction with Congress on the action Mach is talking about, thus their executive actions were made to fix problems within the legislation and were not solely a fiat from on high like Obama's.

But I am aware that the truth doesn't fit your trolling agenda on here so have at it.

Obama asked Congress over a year ago to come up with immigration reform. Just like with Healthcare reform, they republicans sat on their hands. Now they promise to take care of with the next Congress just like they promised to play ball if we started over with Healthcare Reform.

Don't you remember what Bush said? Fool me once.............

Why should Congress have wasted it's time debating and passing a law that Harry Reid was going to sit on like every other piece of legislation that the Congress sent to the Senate?
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(11-20-2014 11:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Van?

If what you say is true than we certainly would have seen an alternative plan by now, no? Hell Boehner's own caucas bailed on him and Cantor when they just wanted to put up a ceremonial alternative to the ACHA.

I did a quick search on the web and saw various proposals to fix immigration. I will confess I haven't checked the dates yet nor the a what stages they stalled at. But I think even you will concede think what is truly an impediment to reform is that enforcement, from illegal hiring to border security, are a cast iron b***h.
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(11-19-2014 09:54 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Next week he's going to issue an executive order giving them the right to vote.

They already do that now. 03-shhhh
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Ohio like Kentucky has large numbers of illegal immigrants throughout the state. Ohio is always a pivitol state in National elections. It sometimes comes down to Ohio with electoral college. And it won't be long before These folks will want voting rights after being made Legal and having large families here with American born children. The process would move very quickly.
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(11-20-2014 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Obama asked Congress over a year ago to come up with immigration reform. Just like with Healthcare reform, they republicans sat on their hands. Now they promise to take care of with the next Congress just like they promised to play ball if we started over with Healthcare Reform.

Don't you remember what Bush said? Fool me once.............

Two/three questions Fit.

1) What exactly what needs to be "reformed" about our "broken" immigration system?

2) If Obama wanted a law passed and Congress didn't want to pass it, so they didn't, isn't that how our system is supposed to work? Where does it say Obama gets to direct Congress to do what he wants to do?
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(11-20-2014 11:58 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Obama asked Congress over a year ago to come up with immigration reform. Just like with Healthcare reform, they republicans sat on their hands. Now they promise to take care of with the next Congress just like they promised to play ball if we started over with Healthcare Reform.

Don't you remember what Bush said? Fool me once.............

Two/three questions Fit.

1) What exactly what needs to be "reformed" about our "broken" immigration system?

2) If Obama wanted a law passed and Congress didn't want to pass it, so they didn't, isn't that how our system is supposed to work? Where does it say Obama gets to direct Congress to do what he wants to do?

He doesn't. How about Obama asks for more funding specifically for Customs/Border Control and INS. Customs and Border Control, obviously to stem the tide of illegals entering - and maybe, just maybe if it didn't take INS years to allow folks in-country people would be more likely to enter legally. Why in hell should it take years to be allowed to come here - maybe because the Federal government throws up on itself with most every undertaking.
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Happy Amnesty Day everyone! Time to lock down the Latino vote and the White House for a generation!

So here's what I want to know: Was Obama''s immigration policy bad when he was deporting tons of people, or did it just become bad when he decided to stop doing that? Or is he a bad president no matter what he does? (I think I know the answer but I'll hang up and wait my response.)
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(11-20-2014 12:19 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Happy Amnesty Day everyone! Time to lock down the Latino vote and the White House for a generation!

I can only say this... I went from being a strong proponent of a 3rd party to likely voting Republican, no matter his views, in the next election. I'm going to bet that there are a lot of moderates who are the same way as me. This could be the nail in the coffin that guarantees a Republican in the White House for 8 years with a strong Republican congress to go with it. Very risky proposition by Obama and the Democrats here.

I'm not against immigration, but I certainly am not for an open border when we already don't have enough jobs for our people.
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(11-20-2014 11:49 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 08:21 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 12:02 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

Lol Quit confusing them with facts.

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Except as has already been pointed out earlier both Reagan and GHW Bush worked in conjunction with Congress on the action Mach is talking about, thus their executive actions were made to fix problems within the legislation and were not solely a fiat from on high like Obama's.

But I am aware that the truth doesn't fit your trolling agenda on here so have at it.

Obama asked Congress over a year ago to come up with immigration reform. Just like with Healthcare reform, they republicans sat on their hands. Now they promise to take care of with the next Congress just like they promised to play ball if we started over with Healthcare Reform.

Don't you remember what Bush said? Fool me once.............

Why should Congress have wasted it's time debating and passing a law that Harry Reid was going to sit on like every other piece of legislation that the Congress sent to the Senate?

Because that is their job. They choose instead to sit on their hands. Now they have to deal with the consequences.
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I don't doubt that. But the Latinos who sat out these midterms and cost the Dems senate seats will more than make up for any moderates who fall to the GOP. And I'm not sure the non-Latino voters will even move toward the GOP (especially if there's a racist backlash as I expect). Polls show only 48% disapprove of this action. Most people want reform, but would prefer it be done through Congress. Well, Obama has given Boehner years to act on the issue and he hasn't. 18 months ago a bipartisan immigration reform bill passed the Senate with 68 votes and Boehner has refused to even allow the House to vote on it. Now he says he just needs more time. bull****, there's no reason you couldn't have done something by now as Speaker. The well can't be any more "poisoned" and we all know the GOP is itching to shut down the government again and impeach the president. We're wasting resources and tearing families apart every day we delay this further. Obama won't be giving anyone citizenship; just keeping them from being deported and allowing them work permits. This is way overdue.

The Dems have a huge advantage in presidential elections because the number of states which have voted Dem 6 straight times comes out to something like 240 electoral votes of the 270 needed. It's a massive blue firewall and basically you just need to add Florida, which is getting browner and browner, and this will help give us that. Hillary will have a cakewalk.

Another thing. Just because some in the Dem congress "promised" Reagan they'd act doesn't make his executive actions any more or less legal. Even if they did act, Reagan's actions would have been illegal for that time until the statute was enacted.
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(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

He signed a bill passed by congress I believe.
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I don't think so. Too many articles in the left wing media that says Reagan did it in the 80's by Executive Order.
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(11-20-2014 12:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

He signed a bill passed by congress I believe.

Wrong-o. From the Associated Press:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f5e041c1...immigrants
Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — Two presidents have acted unilaterally on immigration — and both were Republican. Ronald Reagan and his successor George H.W. Bush extended amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.

Neither faced the political uproar widely anticipated if and when President Barack Obama uses his executive authority to protect millions of immigrants from deportation.

Reagan's and Bush's actions were conducted in the wake of a sweeping, bipartisan immigration overhaul and at a time when "amnesty" was not a dirty word. Their actions were less controversial because there was a consensus in Washington that the 1986 law needed a few fixes and Congress was poised to act on them. Obama is acting as the country — and Washington — are bitterly divided over a broken immigration system and what to do about 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally.

Obama wants to extend protection from deportation to millions of immigrant parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, and expand his 2-year-old program that shields immigrants brought illegally to this country as children.

A tea party-influenced GOP is poised to erupt, if and when Obama follows through on his promise.

"The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me," said GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, an outspoken opponent of relaxing U.S. immigration law. "It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people."

Some Republicans have even raised the possibility of impeachment.

Here's a timeline of then and now:

—1986. Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.

—1987. Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation. Spouses and children of couples in which one parent qualified for amnesty but the other did not remained subject to deportation, leading to efforts to amend the 1986 law.

—1989. By a sweeping 81-17 vote, the Senate in July voted to prohibit deportations of family members of immigrants covered by the 1986 law. The House failed to act.

—1990. In February, President George H.W. Bush, acting through the Immigration and Naturalization Service, established a "family fairness" in which family members living with a legalizing immigrant and who were in the U.S. before passage of the 1986 law were granted protection from deportation and authorized to seek employment. The administration estimated up to 1.5 million people would be covered by the policy. Congress in October passed a broader immigration law that made the protections permanent.
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(11-20-2014 12:39 PM)Max Power Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 12:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

He signed a bill passed by congress I believe.

Wrong-o. From the Associated Press:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f5e041c1...immigrants
Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — Two presidents have acted unilaterally on immigration — and both were Republican. Ronald Reagan and his successor George H.W. Bush extended amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.

Neither faced the political uproar widely anticipated if and when President Barack Obama uses his executive authority to protect millions of immigrants from deportation.

Reagan's and Bush's actions were conducted in the wake of a sweeping, bipartisan immigration overhaul and at a time when "amnesty" was not a dirty word. Their actions were less controversial because there was a consensus in Washington that the 1986 law needed a few fixes and Congress was poised to act on them. Obama is acting as the country — and Washington — are bitterly divided over a broken immigration system and what to do about 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally.

Obama wants to extend protection from deportation to millions of immigrant parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, and expand his 2-year-old program that shields immigrants brought illegally to this country as children.

A tea party-influenced GOP is poised to erupt, if and when Obama follows through on his promise.

"The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me," said GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, an outspoken opponent of relaxing U.S. immigration law. "It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people."

Some Republicans have even raised the possibility of impeachment.

Here's a timeline of then and now:

—1986. Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.

—1987. Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation. Spouses and children of couples in which one parent qualified for amnesty but the other did not remained subject to deportation, leading to efforts to amend the 1986 law.

—1989. By a sweeping 81-17 vote, the Senate in July voted to prohibit deportations of family members of immigrants covered by the 1986 law. The House failed to act.

—1990. In February, President George H.W. Bush, acting through the Immigration and Naturalization Service, established a "family fairness" in which family members living with a legalizing immigrant and who were in the U.S. before passage of the 1986 law were granted protection from deportation and authorized to seek employment. The administration estimated up to 1.5 million people would be covered by the policy. Congress in October passed a broader immigration law that made the protections permanent.

Quit confusing them with facts. 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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Of course, to be fair, Obama is granting amnesty to destroy the country and impose Kenyan Islamosocialism. Reagan granted amnesty because he loved the children and puppies.
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(11-20-2014 12:40 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 12:39 PM)Max Power Wrote:  
(11-20-2014 12:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(11-19-2014 07:51 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Didn't Reagan and another GOP president do the exact same thing through an executive order. If there are differences please let me know. Honest question.

He signed a bill passed by congress I believe.

Wrong-o. From the Associated Press:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1f5e041c1...immigrants
Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — Two presidents have acted unilaterally on immigration — and both were Republican. Ronald Reagan and his successor George H.W. Bush extended amnesty to family members who were not covered by the last major overhaul of immigration law in 1986.

Neither faced the political uproar widely anticipated if and when President Barack Obama uses his executive authority to protect millions of immigrants from deportation.

Reagan's and Bush's actions were conducted in the wake of a sweeping, bipartisan immigration overhaul and at a time when "amnesty" was not a dirty word. Their actions were less controversial because there was a consensus in Washington that the 1986 law needed a few fixes and Congress was poised to act on them. Obama is acting as the country — and Washington — are bitterly divided over a broken immigration system and what to do about 11 million people living in the U.S. illegally.

Obama wants to extend protection from deportation to millions of immigrant parents and spouses of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, and expand his 2-year-old program that shields immigrants brought illegally to this country as children.

A tea party-influenced GOP is poised to erupt, if and when Obama follows through on his promise.

"The audacity of this president to think he can completely destroy the rule of law with the stroke of a pen is unfathomable to me," said GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, an outspoken opponent of relaxing U.S. immigration law. "It is unconstitutional, it is cynical, and it violates the will of the American people."

Some Republicans have even raised the possibility of impeachment.

Here's a timeline of then and now:

—1986. Congress and Reagan enacted a sweeping overhaul that gave legal status to up to 3 million immigrants without authorization to be in the country, if they had come to the U.S. before 1982. Spouses and children who could not meet that test did not qualify, which incited protests that the new law was breaking up families.

—1987. Early efforts in Congress to amend the law to cover family members failed. Reagan's Immigration and Naturalization Service commissioner announced that minor children of parents granted amnesty by the law would get protection from deportation. Spouses and children of couples in which one parent qualified for amnesty but the other did not remained subject to deportation, leading to efforts to amend the 1986 law.

—1989. By a sweeping 81-17 vote, the Senate in July voted to prohibit deportations of family members of immigrants covered by the 1986 law. The House failed to act.

—1990. In February, President George H.W. Bush, acting through the Immigration and Naturalization Service, established a "family fairness" in which family members living with a legalizing immigrant and who were in the U.S. before passage of the 1986 law were granted protection from deportation and authorized to seek employment. The administration estimated up to 1.5 million people would be covered by the policy. Congress in October passed a broader immigration law that made the protections permanent.

Quit confusing them with facts. 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Fit, you need help you really do.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also known as the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed into law by Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act[1]

Reagan did not got it alone and do an executive order.
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(11-20-2014 12:44 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Of course, to be fair, Obama is granting amnesty to destroy the country and impose Kenyan Islamosocialism. Reagan granted amnesty because he loved the children and puppies.

Reagan signed a bill, passed by congress. When elected Libs do stupid things the water carriers say, "Hey a GOPer did that also", as opposed to wrong move.
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Is this the problem with America in a nutshell. I can literally find 10 articles that say Reagan and Bush dealt with immigration issues using the E.O. In turn people like Super Fly can find articles from the Conservative Media that say he was working within a law Congress passed, Our Judges have become politicians in robes where you can guess their judgement by who appointed them. How in the "F" did we get here???????????????????????????????????????
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