Here's an article by ESPN on the matter:

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...pes-tumble

I think both Baylor and TCU have a great chance of getting passed up by Ohio State, and possibly even a UCLA team that wins out....

on that last weekend, TCU will host Iowa State (ho hum) and Baylor will play Kansas State....

I think not having a championship game will hurt them with the committee

For TCU it hurts- but for Baylor- getting Kansas St is a possible top 10 game.

If the rumor is correct and the NCAA approves "championship game deregulation" in January, the Big 12 could choose to have a title game.

It's quite obvious schedule strength means a lot if an undefeated Marshall is out and a one loss Ohio state is at 6 and had to slug its way from something like 17.

This year it might help*, but as of this last committee rankings, a championship game hurts the following conferences:

ACC
PAC-12
maybe the SEC

Basically if you are on the outside of the top 4, a championship game helps, while if you are in the top 4 it hurts since you risk losing. FSU and Oregon are probably out of the playoff if they lose their respective championship games. IF the SEC East upsets the West champ, there is a pretty good chance they get knocked out, too.

*The Big 12 could also benefit from not having a champ game if the teams ahead of them lose. If Baylor and TCU win out and there are 3 or 4 losses by the other top 7 teams, the Big 12 likely gets 2 in the playoff.

Yes. Even if TCU is #4 and OSU is #5 on the last week, OSU getting a CCG win leaps them over TCU because of another quality win and in addition will have 1 more win than TCU which is the biggest stat in my opinion.

As for deregulation of the CCG, I think there will be a stipulation based on the # conference games. A 10 conference can hold a CCG is they play 8 conference game or 11+ is there are 9 conference games.

I see support for not have divisions, but I don't see the support of having less than 12 teams. Otherwise the Pac wouldn't expand with Utah or CU after the attempt with Texas.

(11-19-2014 12:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Yes. Even if TCU is #4 and OSU is #5 on the last week, OSU getting a CCG win leaps them over TCU because of another quality win and in addition will have 1 more win than TCU which is the biggest stat in my opinion.

As for deregulation of the CCG, I think there will be a stipulation based on the # conference games. A 10 conference can hold a CCG is they play 8 conference game or 11+ is there are 9 conference games.

I see support for not have divisions, but I don't see the support of having less than 12 teams. Otherwise the Pac wouldn't expand with Utah or CU after the attempt with Texas.

In that specific situation it helps, but still think the Big 12 is better off with out one overall. If you look at the ESPN FPI chances to win out Baylor and TCU have the best chances of any of the 7, largely due to not having a champ game.

If both participants in a champ game are vying for a playoff spot like it would be this year for the Big 12, they are potentially a benefit. But if only one is vying for a spot, it is a just another chance for the top team of a league to get beat and knocked out of the playoffs. And if you do have two teams vying for the playoffs, you could just as easily benefit from attrition elsewhere and get both teams in.

I think this year shows why it is overall an advantage for the Big 12 not having a champ game, even if everything goes against the league and it gets shut out.

What needs to happen is an eight team regional tourney that bypasses the CCG's. SEC #1 versus ACC/Big 12 number 2. ACC number one versus SEC number 2. You need to slot eight teams on neutral sites across the country that weekend. Revenue generated split equally among participating conferences. If the networks pay for it, that's the solution.

The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

Frog in the Kitchen Sink ' Wrote:  *The Big 12 could also benefit from not having a champ game if the teams ahead of them lose. If Baylor and TCU win out and there are 3 or 4 losses by the other top 7 teams, the Big 12 likely gets 2 in the playoff.

If the committee is supposed to be sending messages about SOS, then what kind of message would be sent if the Big 12 got two teams in because they had no CCG? (yes I do realize that even if they had one, TCU and Baylor would likely be in the same division and not play again).

(11-19-2014 12:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Yes. Even if TCU is #4 and OSU is #5 on the last week, OSU getting a CCG win leaps them over TCU because of another quality win and in addition will have 1 more win than TCU which is the biggest stat in my opinion.

Ohio State has another ace up their sleeve: they did not play a 1AA school, whereas every other top ten team (save for UCLA) did. So they realistically would have two more 1A wins than any other one loss team who did not win a CCG.

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

Except that there would be no guarantee that TCU would get in over 11-2 UCLA or even 10-2 Ole Miss. Not at all. And heck, with how they are playing even a 11-2 Wisconsin team.

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

In that scenario, an 11-2 UCLA team with wins over Arizona, Arizona St, USC, and Oregon, who also did not play a 1AA team, and played 2 P5 teams OOC with a nine game schedule... If SOS is to be rewarded, and a one loss Oregon and Alabama can be ranked ahead of an unbeaten FSU, a two loss conference champion UCLA with that resume, could be ranked over one or both.

(11-19-2014 12:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

In that scenario, an 11-2 UCLA team with wins over Arizona, Arizona St, USC, and Oregon, who also did not play a 1AA team, and played 2 P5 teams OOC with a nine game schedule... If SOS is to be rewarded, and a one loss Oregon and Alabama can be ranked ahead of an unbeaten FSU, a two loss conference champion UCLA with that resume, could be ranked over one or both.

Holy Crap, I think we agree on something for the first time!

(11-19-2014 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

Except that there would be no guarantee that TCU would get in over 11-2 UCLA or even 10-2 Ole Miss. Not at all. And heck, with how they are playing even a 11-2 Wisconsin team.

Still, the loser of a Big 12 championship game would have no chance whatsoever. Not having a championship game makes it a possibility.

Championship games are chances for a late loss. In general a late loss hurts more than a late win can help. A championship can really hurt the PAC-12 and ACC this year, and maybe the SEC.

I don't think Ole Miss has a prayer. You don't get two freebies in division play. They choked. They are done. Wisconsin has a neutral site loss and UCLA has two home losses. They are not gonna get in. Unless Baylor/TCU look as ugly as possible in victory, there is no chance a two loss team is going to jump them.

There is a huge difference between flopping 2/3 and 4/5. Record has to trump just about everything when you are talking about 4/5. With 2/3, you are looking at style points and SoS. There is more flexibility and leniency flopping teams already in the top 3.

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I don't think Ole Miss has a prayer. You don't get two freebies in division play. They choked. They are done. Wisconsin has a neutral site loss and UCLA has two home losses. They are not gonna get in. Unless Baylor/TCU look as ugly as possible in victory, there is no chance a two loss team is going to jump them.

If Ole Miss beats Miss St and Auburn beats Alabama- Ole Mis would be division champion and go to the SEC title game. Win there, and they would be 11-2, with 2 top 10 wins in Alabama and Miss St. Yeah, that would get them in. Virtually impossible for the SEC to get shut out now.

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

If UCLA finished the season 11-2 sporting a PAC 12 championship, I'd put them at #3 ahead of Baylor

sorry TCU

(11-19-2014 12:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  In that scenario, an 11-2 UCLA team with wins over Arizona, Arizona St, USC, and Oregon, who also did not play a 1AA team, and played 2 P5 teams OOC with a nine game schedule... If SOS is to be rewarded, and a one loss Oregon and Alabama can be ranked ahead of an unbeaten FSU, a two loss conference champion UCLA with that resume, could be ranked over one or both.

Holy Crap, I think we agree on something for the first time!

Don't get carried away. Just to spite us, UCLA will lose

(11-19-2014 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If Ole Miss beats Miss St and Auburn beats Alabama- Ole Mis would be division champion and go to the SEC title game. Win there, and they would be 11-2, with 2 top 10 wins in Alabama and Miss St. Yeah, that would get them in. Virtually impossible for the SEC to get shut out now.

Not if the East division winner beats the west in the CCG. Then no matter what happens, you have a two loss SEC champion, a two loss Alabama under any circumstances, and best case scenario a one loss Miss St who did not win their division, much less their conference, who by virtue of Alabama beating Auburn* has only one top 25 win vs. Ole Miss. I'd say the east winning would not exactly kill an SEC playoff spot, but makes it more likely than not that they may not have a spot.

*Note - Alabama has to beat Auburn, otherwise Miss St would be in the CCG and lose, and then every SEC contender would have two losses and no title save for Georgia/Mizzou who'd have a title, but 2 or even 3 losses. Alabama and Miss St winning out is the only likely scenario in which the SEC gets in, if the East team wins the CCG.

(11-19-2014 01:00 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:37 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  The answer to this question is...we don't know yet.

Scenario:
11-1 Oregon loses to 10-2 UCLA in Pac-12 CCG.
11-1 OSU loses to 10-2 Wisconsin in Big 10 CCG.
Mississippi State loses to Ole Miss in Egg Bowl.

Big 12 teams win out.

1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Baylor 11-1
4. TCU 11-1

The Big 12 then would EMPHATICALLY rejoice that they have no CCG.

If UCLA finished the season 11-2 sporting a PAC 12 championship, I'd put them at #3 ahead of Baylor

sorry TCU

Yes, sorry TCU- you just didn't beat Kansas badly enough!! What ridiculousness. We have all become beauty pageant judges. The lack of an objective system is just dumb. We wouldn't put up with it in any other sport or league.

(11-19-2014 01:05 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  In that scenario, an 11-2 UCLA team with wins over Arizona, Arizona St, USC, and Oregon, who also did not play a 1AA team, and played 2 P5 teams OOC with a nine game schedule... If SOS is to be rewarded, and a one loss Oregon and Alabama can be ranked ahead of an unbeaten FSU, a two loss conference champion UCLA with that resume, could be ranked over one or both.

Holy Crap, I think we agree on something for the first time!

Don't get carried away. Just to spite us, UCLA will lose

(11-19-2014 01:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  If Ole Miss beats Miss St and Auburn beats Alabama- Ole Mis would be division champion and go to the SEC title game. Win there, and they would be 11-2, with 2 top 10 wins in Alabama and Miss St. Yeah, that would get them in. Virtually impossible for the SEC to get shut out now.

Not if the East division winner beats the west in the CCG. Then no matter what happens, you have a two loss SEC champion, a two loss Alabama under any circumstances, and best case scenario a one loss Miss St who did not win their division, much less their conference, who by virtue of Alabama beating Auburn has only one top 25 win (vs. Ole Miss).

I'd say the east winning would not exactly kill an SEC playoff spot, but makes it more likely than not that they may not have a spot.

Auburn would still be ranked at 8-4 and quite frankly the A&M/LSU winner would be ranked as well. So Miss St would have 3 top 25 wins. They wouldn't fall behind 2 teams. It would take a pretty wild scenario now for the SEC to get knocked out.