2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

I have those same expectations. Especially when you inherit a program that just went 137-14 the previous four years. With a proven system. Cal's team had an identity.

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

(11-19-2014 11:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

I have those same expectations. Especially when you inherit a program that just went 137-14 the previous four years. With a proven system. Cal's team had an identity.

137-14 is not realistic though.....more like record breaking maybe.
However, you are right that Pastner now in 6yrs does not have an identity.

Each yr its something new....we'll play fast, dribble drive....then motion offense....then we're going to press no matter what(didn't happen)....now we're too slow.....etc.

Pick something and stick to it
Be a zone team, half man to man, full man to man, 2-1-2 press ANYTHING just stick to it

(11-19-2014 11:49 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

I have those same expectations. Especially when you inherit a program that just went 137-14 the previous four years. With a proven system. Cal's team had an identity.

137-14 is not realistic though.....more like record breaking maybe.
However, you are right that Pastner now in 6yrs does not have an identity.

Each yr its something new....we'll play fast, dribble drive....then motion offense....then we're going to press no matter what(didn't happen)....now we're too slow.....etc.

Pick something and stick to it
Be a zone team, half man to man, full man to man, 2-1-2 press ANYTHING just stick to it

Nobody ever listens to Saluki:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-626306.html

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

Sounds like you think winning is a birthright.

we can be southern miss if that is what you want

My post was tounge in cheek, I am not happy with the current state of the program.

EDIT
I probably should have said I am not happy with the current state of the team instead of program. As a whole, Josh has done great with the program. But the team has been a mess.

(11-19-2014 11:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:49 AM)memphissince86 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:44 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

I have those same expectations. Especially when you inherit a program that just went 137-14 the previous four years. With a proven system. Cal's team had an identity.

137-14 is not realistic though.....more like record breaking maybe.
However, you are right that Pastner now in 6yrs does not have an identity.

Each yr its something new....we'll play fast, dribble drive....then motion offense....then we're going to press no matter what(didn't happen)....now we're too slow.....etc.

Pick something and stick to it
Be a zone team, half man to man, full man to man, 2-1-2 press ANYTHING just stick to it

Nobody ever listens to Saluki:

http://csnbbs.com/thread-626306.html

You're right....we should

Great start!

Pastner needs to start developing something. As I said before, if we are chalking this up to a rebuilding year and as fans we're forced to just accept it, then we should use it to develop a system and player development.

(11-19-2014 10:38 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  2009-10: 24-10 unranked. NIT second round (thank you Elliot Williams!)

2010-11: 25-10 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (12 seed, almost beat Arizona)

2011-12: 26-9 unranked. NCAA round of 64 (8 seed, lost to St. Louis)

2012-13: 31-5 ranked 19th in AP / 15th in USA Today. NCAA tournament round of 32. (6 seed lost badly to Michigan State)

2013-14: 24-10 ranked 19th in one final regular season poll unranked in final poll. NCAA tournament round of 32. (8 seed lost badly to Virginia)


1 NIT (1-1)
4 NCAAs (2-4) seeds: 6,8,8,12

Two years end of regular season Top 25 rankings
One year final poll Top 25 ranking


I think these results are a bit shy of calling it a Top 25 resume; more like 35-45.....

I really think we can do better than this (CUSA was really weak).

Have we been worse? Sure, but not with the level of facilities, the attendance and support, and the salary we have / can offer these days.

As Stammers said in another post: Everyone is going to get what they want this year. We're going to find out if JP can coach or not.

Being in year 6 and having to ask the question is not a positive.


What would reasonable expectations for the program be?

I think making the NCAA tournament 4 out of 5 years with a sweet 16 run or deeper every 3-4 years. I'm basing this on the support and resources the program has access to. Top 20 facilities, top 20 salaries, and top 20 attendance. It doesn't hurt that Memphis is a hot bed for high school basketball.

Since we are talking about how coaches have performed at the U of M.

First five years of the untouchable golden boy whom this forum is partially named

Larry Finch (Metro Conference) (1986–1991)
1986–87 Finch 26–8 8–4 2nd
1987–88 Finch 20–12 6–6 T-3rd NCAA Second Round
1988–89 Finch 21–11 8–4 T-2nd NCAA First Round
1989–90 Finch 18–12 8–6 4th NIT First Round
1990–91 Finch 17–15 7–7 T-4th NIT Second Round


2 NIT bids
2 NCAA bid ONE NCAA win.
No Conference titles

Yet he was given another 6 years in which he had only 4 more NCAA bids 1 more NIT bid and a year of NO POST SEASON due to LOSING RECORD.

Wayne Yates had better winning percentage

In fact he was exactly the middle of the list in winning percentage of coaches at the u Of M. Standing 9 out of 17 coaches with a .628 winning percentage.




Give it a rest already the numbers do not support your agenda of firing Pastner.

You conveniently assume CUSA throughout the years has been the same strength wise during the tenure for Finch, Cal and Josh. I'd pay money to see Josh coach against the late 90s early 2K Cincinnatti and other teams who were in CUSA then.[/u]

Seriously. Any give season, Cal and Finch coached in conferences which easily had multiple conf teams make the dance... before Cal's historic run thru CUSA (a by product of Louisville and others defecting in 2005), the league was known for having 4 teams in the dance...one season, six made it.

During Pastner's years, only Memphis made it and thats with the tourney expanded to take more cupcakes.

From 2000 to 2005 (Cal's first 5 years), CUSA averaged 3.8 teams making the Big Tourney.

From 2009 to 2013, CUSA averaged 1.6 teams (basically just Memphis)

Again, no comparison.

(11-21-2014 10:58 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Since we are talking about how coaches have performed at the U of M.

First five years of the untouchable golden boy whom this forum is partially named

Larry Finch (Metro Conference) (1986–1991)
1986–87 Finch 26–8 8–4 2nd
1987–88 Finch 20–12 6–6 T-3rd NCAA Second Round
1988–89 Finch 21–11 8–4 T-2nd NCAA First Round
1989–90 Finch 18–12 8–6 4th NIT First Round
1990–91 Finch 17–15 7–7 T-4th NIT Second Round


2 NIT bids
2 NCAA bid ONE NCAA win.
No Conference titles

Yet he was given another 6 years in which he had only 4 more NCAA bids 1 more NIT bid and a year of NO POST SEASON due to LOSING RECORD.

Wayne Yates had better winning percentage

In fact he was exactly the middle of the list in winning percentage of coaches at the u Of M. Standing 9 out of 17 coaches with a .628 winning percentage.




Give it a rest already the numbers do not support your agenda of firing Pastner.

Since we are playing this silly game:
Coach K's first 5 years as a head coach:

75-76 Army - 11-14
76-77 Army - 20-8
77-78 Army - 19-9
78-79 Army - 14-11
79-80 Army - 9-17

Duke:

80-81 Duke - 17-13
81-82 Duke - 10-17
82-83 Duke - 11-17
83-84 Duke - 24-10
84-84 Duke - 23-8

More to come

Throw the resume out. On paper, Josh has been okay - not great, not terrible.

Look at the bigger picture. Use your eyeballs...

Cal first 5 at UMASS:

88-89 - 10-18
89-90 - 17-14
90-91 - 20-13
91-92 - 30-5
92-93 - 24-7

Memphis:

01-02 - 21-15
02-03 - 27-9
02-03 - 23-7
03-04 - 22-8
04-05 - 22-16

Cal first 5 here: 115-55. Josh first 5 here:130-44.

Keep playing your games though

Anyone got Roy Williams?

Exactly.

Per statsheet.com, CUSA's history of sending teams to the dance goes as follows:


Finch two years in CUSA (don't feel like researching first five in METRO conf since I'd have to do more digging): Average of 4 teams per year which extrapolates to 20 teams in five years


Cal first five years in CUSA: Average of 3.8 teams or 19 teams in five years

Josh first five: Average 1.6 teams per.
That equates to 8 teams for CUSA in those 5 yrs with Memphis accounting for five of those with the other team in the play-in rnd more than likely.

(11-21-2014 12:53 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Cal first 5 at UMASS:

88-89 - 10-18
89-90 - 17-14
90-91 - 20-13
91-92 - 30-5
92-93 - 24-7

Memphis:

01-02 - 21-15
02-03 - 27-9
02-03 - 23-7
03-04 - 22-8
04-05 - 22-16

Cal first 5 here: 115-55. Josh first 5 here:130-44.

Keep playing your games though

No offense... But..

Louisville, Cincinatti, Charlotte, Marquette, Depaul, St. Louis, USF > Rice, Marshall, UTEP, UCF, SMU, Tulsa

I'm not saying that as a knock on Pastner. I'm saying that Cal's first 5 years here were in a much tougher conference...

Continued improvement.