You also fail to mention that Memphis is now in the discussion... Fortunately, I would say we'll win out. Unfortunately, I think most of you are right in that there is no way that the 12 nozzles will grant us membership to the club for one game.

(11-19-2014 07:36 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Marshall has a really good team this year, although I like what the committee is doing that will force teams to schedule up instead of down.

Undefeated doesn't mean sh!t if you're wrestling the Brooklyn Brawler every night.

If Boise wins out they are practically a shoe in for the ny6 bowl,and yes their brand would be extremely useful in this instance. I'm also making memphis my dark horse candidate for the exact opposite reason. Memphis I think would have the wtf effect lol. To go from 3-9 to 9-3 creates that cinderella effect that thr media and public would eat up especially with a hot young coach. Sorry Marshall but I feel the writing is on the wall against you guys however

(11-19-2014 11:06 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:02 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Since Marshall is just outside the top 25 (below is another quote from the committee's director) neither Boise nor Colorado State can be ranked that much higher than them - at best, for both Boise and Colorado State, they're in a group w/ Marshall. At worst, Marshall is a clear leader.

Heather Dinich ‏@CFBHeather I asked @jefflongUA "Why not Marshall" He cited body of work and SOS doesn't warrant top 25 ranking. Said Marshall "just outside" top 25.

Dude has been saying that about Marshall since the first committee poll. He doesn't have the heart to just come out and say that the MAC and CUSA suck so bad that you can not get ranked by just playing them.

The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:06 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:02 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Since Marshall is just outside the top 25 (below is another quote from the committee's director) neither Boise nor Colorado State can be ranked that much higher than them - at best, for both Boise and Colorado State, they're in a group w/ Marshall. At worst, Marshall is a clear leader.

Heather Dinich ‏@CFBHeather I asked @jefflongUA "Why not Marshall" He cited body of work and SOS doesn't warrant top 25 ranking. Said Marshall "just outside" top 25.

Dude has been saying that about Marshall since the first committee poll. He doesn't have the heart to just come out and say that the MAC and CUSA suck so bad that you can not get ranked by just playing them.

The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings. When you stop and think about it logically there is no way that Marshall can be ranked higher than Colorado State. Colorado State has beaten 2 P5 teams, just by their self. The entire CUSA conference (THE ENTIRE CONFERENCE) has not not beaten 1 P5.

(11-19-2014 01:04 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:06 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:02 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Since Marshall is just outside the top 25 (below is another quote from the committee's director) neither Boise nor Colorado State can be ranked that much higher than them - at best, for both Boise and Colorado State, they're in a group w/ Marshall. At worst, Marshall is a clear leader.

Heather Dinich ‏@CFBHeather I asked @jefflongUA "Why not Marshall" He cited body of work and SOS doesn't warrant top 25 ranking. Said Marshall "just outside" top 25.

Dude has been saying that about Marshall since the first committee poll. He doesn't have the heart to just come out and say that the MAC and CUSA suck so bad that you can not get ranked by just playing them.

The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings.

Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

(11-19-2014 01:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:04 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:06 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:02 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Since Marshall is just outside the top 25 (below is another quote from the committee's director) neither Boise nor Colorado State can be ranked that much higher than them - at best, for both Boise and Colorado State, they're in a group w/ Marshall. At worst, Marshall is a clear leader.

Heather Dinich ‏@CFBHeather I asked @jefflongUA "Why not Marshall" He cited body of work and SOS doesn't warrant top 25 ranking. Said Marshall "just outside" top 25.

Dude has been saying that about Marshall since the first committee poll. He doesn't have the heart to just come out and say that the MAC and CUSA suck so bad that you can not get ranked by just playing them.

The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings.

Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

What is just outside? They only rank 25 teams. So just outside could be 40. Just do yourself and favor and go back and read what he said just last week. And the week before. And the week before that.

(11-18-2014 10:09 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
Jeff Long: “Marshall body of work, strength of schedule, committee does not feel they warrant being in Top 25. Very close”

Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
Jeff Long: “We spend considerable amount of time on Group of 5 teams against each other"

If Marshall wins out in impressive fashion by blowing the doors off of folks they will get the nod. If they struggle at all I see CSt or Boise (if they have a strong finish) slipping into the spot.

Still a lot of football to be played.

(11-19-2014 01:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:04 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:06 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Dude has been saying that about Marshall since the first committee poll. He doesn't have the heart to just come out and say that the MAC and CUSA suck so bad that you can not get ranked by just playing them.

The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings.

Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

What is just outside? They only rank 25 teams. So just outside could be 40. Just do yourself and favor and go back and read what he said just last week. And the week before. And the week before that.

Well I don't read "just outside" the top 25 as including #40. If you do that's fine.

(11-19-2014 01:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:04 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  The committee director said what he said --- and from that it's clear that Marshall is either the G5 leader or in the group of leaders. That we know --- the rest is personal opinion.

He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings.

Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

What is just outside? They only rank 25 teams. So just outside could be 40. Just do yourself and favor and go back and read what he said just last week. And the week before. And the week before that.

Well I don't read "just outside" the top 25 as including #40. If you do that's fine.

It could be any number. It could be 26 or it could be 50. We don't know, because the committee ranks 25 teams. They don't rank any teams past that number.

The bigger issue is SOS. If they rank Marshall ahead of Colorado State then the committee would be breaking their own precedent that they set when they ranked TCU ahead of Baylor and a one loss ECU ahead of an undefeated Marshall and a 1 loss Colorado State. They clearly stated that they value SOS. ECU and Colorado State both beat 2 P5 teams, with the only difference being that the 2 P5's that ECU beat were ranked. The committee literally can not rank Marshall under that precedent, unless they have decided to also rank Colorado State. It would make sense that they would rank Colorado State so maybe that is what the committee intends to do.

(11-19-2014 01:27 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:04 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  He has been saying the same thing for the last few weeks. Go back and research it. You are just now noticing him saying it, because you just started paying attention to this process due to where Memphis is currently sitting. But the guy has been yanking Marshall's chain for the last few weeks, by saying the same thing.

What makes sense is that the leader heading down the back stretch is Colorado State. Colorado State is the reason why Boise State and Marshall are not ranked; weeks after ECU left the rankings.

Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

What is just outside? They only rank 25 teams. So just outside could be 40. Just do yourself and favor and go back and read what he said just last week. And the week before. And the week before that.

Well I don't read "just outside" the top 25 as including #40. If you do that's fine.

It could be any number. It could be 26 or it could be 50. We don't know, because the committee ranks 25 teams. They don't rank any teams past that number.

The bigger issue is SOS....

No - the only issue is where you're ranked. And the director's words "just outside" the top 25 and "very close" to being ranked don't mean being ranked #40 or #50 --- at least in my world. Again, if you think that's maybe what he means - feel free. And if you think he's lying that's ok too --

It would be pretty funny if CSU is ranked ahead of Marshall, but Marshall gets the bid because Boise St. wins the MWC. If that's the case, there's absolutely no motivation to schedule P5 opponents ever again. But, I think Boise St. has it sealed, as long as they win the MWC. It's pretty simple:

Looking at CFCC (College Football Computer Composite) rankings:

BOISE STATE
Overall: 8-2
Top-25: 0-1
26-50: 1-1
51-75: 2-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 3-0
Good/Decent Wins: #26 Colorado St., #52 BYU, #53 Nevada, #58 ULL
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #46 Air Force
Remaining Schedule: #91 Wyoming, #39 Utah St., MW Championship (likely #53 Nevada)

MARSHALL
Overall: 10-0
Top-25: N/A
26-50: N/A
51-75: 1-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 7-0
Good/Decent Wins: #71 Rice, #86 MTSU(?)
Losses: None
Remaining Schedule: #92 UAB, #88 W. Kentucky, C-USA Championship (likely #50 LA Tech)

Boise St. has played SIX games against competition noticeably better than Marshall's BEST opponent - three of those on the road. Marshall's two decent(ish?) opponents were at home. Boise St. should finish the season with two more wins over top-50 competition. Even #91 Wyoming is on par with Marshall's better opponents. The point is, the committee is actually very reasonable in its rankings (do a similar analysis as above with the CFP-4 and you will see that they are getting it right, even with TCU still over Baylor - which will change, btw, if Baylor beats #14 Kansas St. down the stretch and wins the Big 12 title - but that's another discussion).

Boise St. has gone undefeated against the teams on its schedule ranked #71+. The selection committee will actually REWARD Boise St. for playing and losing to Ole Miss. And Marshall has nothing even close to the Bronco's wins over CSU, BYU, Nevada, and even UL-Lafayette. Marshall's only hope is that LA Tech finishes in the top-50 and is ranked ahead of Air Force. In that instance, Marshall would have the argument that they did (finally) beat a team ranked ahead of a team to whom Boise St. lost.

Memphis, on the other hand, looks like this:

MEMPHIS
Overall: 7-3
Top-25: 0-2
26-50: 1-0
51-75: N/A
76-100: 2-1
101+: 4-0
Good/Decent Wins: #47 Cincinnati, #80 Temple, #86 MTSU (?)
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #11 UCLA, #77 Houston
Remaining Schedule: #103 South Florida, #117 Connecticut

The close losses to #5 Ole Miss and #11 UCLA will help the Tigers. However, the best win over #47 Cincinnati will not be enough to overcome the loss to #77 Houston or to block out an undefeated Marshall - who would have also wins over a top-50 LA Tech and #71 Rice. The American is hurt by the fact that Memphis avoids both #57 UCF and #62 ECU on the schedule (and vice-versa)...and has no conference championship game.

(11-19-2014 01:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:27 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:17 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:13 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 01:10 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Like I said --- since Marshall is "just outside" the top 25 they're either the G5 leader or in a group. Clearly you don't want to believe that what he said was the truth. That it's all a lie --- fair enough.

What is just outside? They only rank 25 teams. So just outside could be 40. Just do yourself and favor and go back and read what he said just last week. And the week before. And the week before that.

Well I don't read "just outside" the top 25 as including #40. If you do that's fine.

It could be any number. It could be 26 or it could be 50. We don't know, because the committee ranks 25 teams. They don't rank any teams past that number.

The bigger issue is SOS....

No - the only issue is where you're ranked. And the director's words "just outside" the top 25 and "very close" to being ranked don't mean being ranked #40 or #50 --- at least in my world. Again, if you think that's maybe what he means - feel free. And if you think he's lying that's ok too --

Once again. He has been saying that for weeks now.

(11-19-2014 02:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  It would be pretty funny if CSU is ranked ahead of Marshall, but Marshall gets the bid because Boise St. wins the MWC. If that's the case, there's absolutely no motivation to schedule P5 opponents ever again. But, I think Boise St. has it sealed, as long as they win the MWC. It's pretty simple:

Looking at CFCC (College Football Computer Composite) rankings:

BOISE STATE
Overall: 8-2
Top-25: 0-1
26-50: 1-1
51-75: 2-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 3-0
Good/Decent Wins: #26 Colorado St., #52 BYU, #53 Nevada, #58 ULL
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #46 Air Force
Remaining Schedule: #91 Wyoming, #39 Utah St., MW Championship (likely #53 Nevada)

MARSHALL
Overall: 10-0
Top-25: N/A
26-50: N/A
51-75: 1-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 7-0
Good/Decent Wins: #71 Rice, #86 MTSU(?)
Losses: None
Remaining Schedule: #92 UAB, #88 W. Kentucky, C-USA Championship (likely #50 LA Tech)

Boise St. has played SIX games against competition noticeably better than Marshall's BEST opponent - three of those on the road. Marshall's two decent(ish?) opponents were at home. Boise St. should finish the season with two more wins over top-50 competition. Even #91 Wyoming is on par with Marshall's better opponents. The point is, the committee is actually very reasonable in its rankings (do a similar analysis as above with the CFP-4 and you will see that they are getting it right, even with TCU still over Baylor - which will change, btw, if Baylor beats #14 Kansas St. down the stretch and wins the Big 12 title - but that's another discussion).

Boise St. has gone undefeated against the teams on its schedule ranked #71+. The selection committee will actually REWARD Boise St. for playing and losing to Ole Miss. And Marshall has nothing even close to the Bronco's wins over CSU, BYU, Nevada, and even UL-Lafayette. Marshall's only hope is that LA Tech finishes in the top-50 and is ranked ahead of Air Force. In that instance, Marshall would have the argument that they did (finally) beat a team ranked ahead of a team to whom Boise St. lost.

Memphis, on the other hand, looks like this:

MEMPHIS
Overall: 7-3
Top-25: 0-2
26-50: 1-0
51-75: N/A
76-100: 2-1
101+: 4-0
Good/Decent Wins: #47 Cincinnati, #80 Temple, #86 MTSU (?)
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #11 UCLA, #77 Houston
Remaining Schedule: #103 South Florida, #117 Connecticut

The close losses to #5 Ole Miss and #11 UCLA will help the Tigers. However, the best win over #47 Cincinnati will not be enough to overcome the loss to #77 Houston or to block out an undefeated Marshall - who would have also wins over a top-50 LA Tech and #71 Rice. The American is hurt by the fact that Memphis avoids both #57 UCF and #62 ECU on the schedule (and vice-versa)...and has no conference championship game.

Great analysis. I honestly think assuming all teams win out that CSU is the most deserving but given the parameters around the G5 bid being a conference champion they will be excluded. I think if this happens they may re-think that piece to ensure they get the best G5 not just the champion. Lets just say for arguments sake that Marshall had played some better competition and was sitting at 12-0 and truly worthy and lost to L-Tech in the title game. So sitting at 12-1 with the best resume and they wouldn't even be an option for the committee. That just seems silly to me. The committee could be setting themselves up for having a team that will truly get smoked in the access bowl if a couple of upsets happen in the conference championship games.

(11-19-2014 02:31 PM)PT_american Wrote:  Great analysis. I honestly think assuming all teams win out that CSU is the most deserving but given the parameters around the G5 bid being a conference champion they will be excluded. I think if this happens they may re-think that piece to ensure they get the best G5 not just the champion. Lets just say for arguments sake that Marshall had played some better competition and was sitting at 12-0 and truly worthy and lost to L-Tech in the title game. So sitting at 12-1 with the best resume and they wouldn't even be an option for the committee. That just seems silly to me. The committee could be setting themselves up for having a team that will truly get smoked in the access bowl if a couple of upsets happen in the conference championship games.

Or, I wonder if some G5 conferences might re-evaluate how they establish the conference champion - especially if the ACC is successful in getting the two-division rule set aside.

PirateMarv, just curious, have you actually watched Marshall play this season? SOS aside, have you tuned in and watched them?

I've watched ever team mentioned including Boise multiple times and Marshall is head and shoulders above Boise or CSU either. In fact, I think the top 3-4 teams in the American are better than both Boise and CSU. Neither is that great of a team. They are good but not great. Marshall is borderline great this season.

Marshall's schedule SUCKS! There is no question about it. That said if you actually watch them objectively and follow their trend the last four seasons, you'll see they are supremely talented program loaded with 3 and 4 star talent.

Now granted many of those players were props but so be it, that's an entirely different conversation all together.

(11-19-2014 02:31 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 02:02 PM)YNot Wrote:  It would be pretty funny if CSU is ranked ahead of Marshall, but Marshall gets the bid because Boise St. wins the MWC. If that's the case, there's absolutely no motivation to schedule P5 opponents ever again. But, I think Boise St. has it sealed, as long as they win the MWC. It's pretty simple:

Looking at CFCC (College Football Computer Composite) rankings:

BOISE STATE
Overall: 8-2
Top-25: 0-1
26-50: 1-1
51-75: 2-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 3-0
Good/Decent Wins: #26 Colorado St., #52 BYU, #53 Nevada, #58 ULL
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #46 Air Force
Remaining Schedule: #91 Wyoming, #39 Utah St., MW Championship (likely #53 Nevada)

MARSHALL
Overall: 10-0
Top-25: N/A
26-50: N/A
51-75: 1-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 7-0
Good/Decent Wins: #71 Rice, #86 MTSU(?)
Losses: None
Remaining Schedule: #92 UAB, #88 W. Kentucky, C-USA Championship (likely #50 LA Tech)

Boise St. has played SIX games against competition noticeably better than Marshall's BEST opponent - three of those on the road. Marshall's two decent(ish?) opponents were at home. Boise St. should finish the season with two more wins over top-50 competition. Even #91 Wyoming is on par with Marshall's better opponents. The point is, the committee is actually very reasonable in its rankings (do a similar analysis as above with the CFP-4 and you will see that they are getting it right, even with TCU still over Baylor - which will change, btw, if Baylor beats #14 Kansas St. down the stretch and wins the Big 12 title - but that's another discussion).

Boise St. has gone undefeated against the teams on its schedule ranked #71+. The selection committee will actually REWARD Boise St. for playing and losing to Ole Miss. And Marshall has nothing even close to the Bronco's wins over CSU, BYU, Nevada, and even UL-Lafayette. Marshall's only hope is that LA Tech finishes in the top-50 and is ranked ahead of Air Force. In that instance, Marshall would have the argument that they did (finally) beat a team ranked ahead of a team to whom Boise St. lost.

Memphis, on the other hand, looks like this:

MEMPHIS
Overall: 7-3
Top-25: 0-2
26-50: 1-0
51-75: N/A
76-100: 2-1
101+: 4-0
Good/Decent Wins: #47 Cincinnati, #80 Temple, #86 MTSU (?)
Losses: #5 Ole Miss, #11 UCLA, #77 Houston
Remaining Schedule: #103 South Florida, #117 Connecticut

The close losses to #5 Ole Miss and #11 UCLA will help the Tigers. However, the best win over #47 Cincinnati will not be enough to overcome the loss to #77 Houston or to block out an undefeated Marshall - who would have also wins over a top-50 LA Tech and #71 Rice. The American is hurt by the fact that Memphis avoids both #57 UCF and #62 ECU on the schedule (and vice-versa)...and has no conference championship game.

Great analysis. I honestly think assuming all teams win out that CSU is the most deserving but given the parameters around the G5 bid being a conference champion they will be excluded. I think if this happens they may re-think that piece to ensure they get the best G5 not just the champion. Lets just say for arguments sake that Marshall had played some better competition and was sitting at 12-0 and truly worthy and lost to L-Tech in the title game. So sitting at 12-1 with the best resume and they wouldn't even be an option for the committee. That just seems silly to me. The committee could be setting themselves up for having a team that will truly get smoked in the access bowl if a couple of upsets happen in the conference championship games.

If a P5 team that didn't win its conference can make the playoff than so should a G5 team with the same resume. Double standards.

(11-19-2014 03:44 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  PirateMarv, just curious, have you actually watched Marshall play this season? SOS aside, have you tuned in and watched them?

I've watched ever team mentioned including Boise multiple times and Marshall is head and shoulders above Boise or CSU either. In fact, I think the top 3-4 teams in the American are better than both Boise and CSU. Neither is that great of a team. They are good but not great. Marshall is borderline great this season.

Marshall's schedule SUCKS! There is no question about it. That said if you actually watch them objectively and follow their trend the last four seasons, you'll see they are supremely talented program loaded with 3 and 4 star talent.

Now granted many of those players were props but so be it, that's an entirely different conversation all together.

Watching your team play has nothing to do with these rankings. Beating a bunch of bad CUSA, MAC and FCS teams does not help your SOS. Even with one loss; Colorado State's SOS is higher, which is all that matters.

(11-19-2014 03:44 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  PirateMarv, just curious, have you actually watched Marshall play this season? SOS aside, have you tuned in and watched them?

Yes. Boise St. and CSU would look like world beaters too if they played Akron, Florida Atlantic, Old Dominion, and MTSU on a weekly basis.

Cato would have been out for the year with a leg injury by week 5 if Marshall played Ole Miss, Air Force, BYU, Utah St., Nevada, and Colorado on a weekly basis.

(11-19-2014 03:44 PM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  PirateMarv, just curious, have you actually watched Marshall play this season? SOS aside, have you tuned in and watched them?

I've watched ever team mentioned including Boise multiple times and Marshall is head and shoulders above Boise or CSU either. In fact, I think the top 3-4 teams in the American are better than both Boise and CSU. Neither is that great of a team. They are good but not great. Marshall is borderline great this season.

Marshall's schedule SUCKS! There is no question about it. That said if you actually watch them objectively and follow their trend the last four seasons, you'll see they are supremely talented program loaded with 3 and 4 star talent.

Now granted many of those players were props but so be it, that's an entirely different conversation all together.

A high school playing middle school teams looks head and shoulders over a d1 team. Doesn't mean they are.