I'm a fan of a non-P5 school and a P5 school. (the school I went to, and the state I'm from) What is significant about the following states and their official nicknames?:
Indiana: The Hoosier State
Iowa; The Hawkeye State
Ohio: The Buckeye state
North Carolina: The Tar Heel state
Wisconsin: The Badger State
Oklahoma: The Sooner State
Nebraska: The Cornhusker State
Tennessee: The Volunteer State
I hope I've made my point. With a few exceptions the flagship school in a given state is the majority cultural identity for the people from that state. The t-shirt fan. When you are born into a state like those, your born into the culture, regardless if you went to that school or not. It's part of who you are. I haven't lived in the state I was born in for 25 years, and never attended the school myself, and yet I'll never shake the loyalty I feel to it even though I no longer have a dog in the hunt. It still hurts when they lose. I've tried and I can't help it. It's not just me, ever since my family moved when I was a kid, I've been identified by the state/school I'm from with the state's nickname even though I don't bring it up. I just cant feel that same attachment to the school I graduated from nor do I identify with the athletic program of the branch of the military I serve in the same way. Do any of you to think it's possible for any of the P5 schools--like the ones mentioned above--could ever lose their following to another school within their state? Maybe there's another school in the state that could somehow rise up to the same level? I'd like to see the school I went to get into the P5 and be a part of the highest level of college sports. I'd love to hear others' opinions about what they think it would it take, or if they disagree with anything I've said. Thanks!

We (Wisconsin) didn't lose our following in football and basketball between 1950 and 1994, so I think it's impossible for us to lose our following to another school. In basketball, we have Marquette, but that's only a very small portion of people in Milwaukee....plus most of those kids are out-of-staters anyways.

(11-18-2014 10:18 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  We (Wisconsin) didn't lose our following in football and basketball between 1950 and 1994, so I think it's impossible for us to lose our following to another school. In basketball, we have Marquette, but that's only a very small portion of people in Milwaukee....plus most of those kids are out-of-staters anyways.

Yeah. Proves my point. And btw, I love the whiskey Marquette rivalry!

(11-18-2014 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:18 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  We (Wisconsin) didn't lose our following in football and basketball between 1950 and 1994, so I think it's impossible for us to lose our following to another school. In basketball, we have Marquette, but that's only a very small portion of people in Milwaukee....plus most of those kids are out-of-staters anyways.

Yeah. Proves my point. And btw, I love the whiskey Marquette rivalry!

To expand on you question, it would be a bit more interesting if we had another D1 football team, but we only have UW then D3 teams (Go Whitewater and company!!!!).

(11-18-2014 11:49 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:18 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  We (Wisconsin) didn't lose our following in football and basketball between 1950 and 1994, so I think it's impossible for us to lose our following to another school. In basketball, we have Marquette, but that's only a very small portion of people in Milwaukee....plus most of those kids are out-of-staters anyways.

Yeah. Proves my point. And btw, I love the whiskey Marquette rivalry!

To expand on you question, it would be a bit more interesting if we had another D1 football team, but we only have UW then D3 teams (Go Whitewater and company!!!!).

I think it's a great thing a large state like Wisconsin has only 1 d1 team.--for u guys. Idaho, NM, Nevada, Kansas are all states around 2 to 2.5 mil max with 2 FBS programs. You guys are 3 times bigger with no competition.

I think this happened to Cal with UCLA supplanting them. But I'm not an expert on California sports.

I don't think it's possible with any of the schools and states in your post though.

(11-19-2014 12:17 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I think this happened to Cal with UCLA supplanting them. But I'm not an expert on California sports.

I don't think it's possible with any of the schools and states in your post though.

the above states make enrollment available to the majority of HS kids who graduate from said states. CAL-Berkeley, UCLA and USC have extremely high admission standards, are ridiculously expensive and few Cali HS kids can realistically attend them. Thus, California has no true flagship.

(11-19-2014 12:17 AM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I think this happened to Cal with UCLA supplanting them. But I'm not an expert on California sports.

I don't think it's possible with any of the schools and states in your post though.

One of my brothers was saluditorian of his out of state high school, moved to OC to live with my great grandmother to attend saddleback CC after being rejected at USC and after straight A's again, was denied at USC and UCLA film school. I applied to a masters program in military counseling at USC and I was rejected too.

(11-18-2014 09:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'm a fan of a non-P5 school and a P5 school. (the school I went to, and the state I'm from) What is significant about the following states and their official nicknames?:
Indiana: The Hoosier State
Iowa; The Hawkeye State
Ohio: The Buckeye state
North Carolina: The Tar Heel state
Wisconsin: The Badger State
Oklahoma: The Sooner State
Nebraska: The Cornhusker State
Tennessee: The Volunteer State
I hope I've made my point. With a few exceptions the flagship school in a given state is the majority cultural identity for the people from that state. The t-shirt fan. When you are born into a state like those, your born into the culture, regardless if you went to that school or not. It's part of who you are. I haven't lived in the state I was born in for 25 years, and never attended the school myself, and yet I'll never shake the loyalty I feel to it even though I no longer have a dog in the hunt. It still hurts when they lose. I've tried and I can't help it. It's not just me, ever since my family moved when I was a kid, I've been identified by the state/school I'm from with the state's nickname even though I don't bring it up. I just cant feel that same attachment to the school I graduated from nor do I identify with the athletic program of the branch of the military I serve in the same way. Do any of you to think it's possible for any of the P5 schools--like the ones mentioned above--could ever lose their following to another school within their state? Maybe there's another school in the state that could somehow rise up to the same level? I'd like to see the school I went to get into the P5 and be a part of the highest level of college sports. I'd love to hear others' opinions about what they think it would it take, or if they disagree with anything I've said. Thanks!

This is an interesting concept. And I'd agree that in most of the states you list that there's little chance that the "state-themed" school will be supplanted. Two exceptions:

In Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state. Purdue has the big, rich farming communities and the NW part of the state, but IU has the rest (including the poorer farming communities where kids don't get college degrees in agriculture) because of their basketball dominance. If Purdue actually started outperforming IU in basketball (which is more important in the state) they could easily overtake IU.

In Ohio, much of the state doesn't really feel like part of the state. It's a hodgepodge of different settlement periods, geographies, and cultures. For example, relatively few people in Toledo and even fewer in Cincinnati would self-identify as "Buckeyes," and those two regions actually have traditionally been big sources of support for Michigan (particularly Toledo). The biggest gain in UC football fans over the past decade has actually come from former Michigan fans who only rooted for Michigan because they hated Ohio State (and Ohio in general). Also, if OU ever got big, I could see them becoming the dominant team in the Appalachian part of Ohio.

OSU will always dominate in Columbus, the farms of the Central and Western parts of the state, and populous NE Ohio (Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Youngstown). But UC has always been ahead of them in Hamilton County, and has been expanding its region of influence in the last two decades due to Bob Huggins and Brian Kelly. In the future it's possible that Toledo and OU could move into similar positions in their regions if they either of them went on a winning streak.

n Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state.

(11-21-2014 06:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'm a fan of a non-P5 school and a P5 school. (the school I went to, and the state I'm from) What is significant about the following states and their official nicknames?:
Indiana: The Hoosier State
Iowa; The Hawkeye State
Ohio: The Buckeye state
North Carolina: The Tar Heel state
Wisconsin: The Badger State
Oklahoma: The Sooner State
Nebraska: The Cornhusker State
Tennessee: The Volunteer State
I hope I've made my point. With a few exceptions the flagship school in a given state is the majority cultural identity for the people from that state. The t-shirt fan. When you are born into a state like those, your born into the culture, regardless if you went to that school or not. It's part of who you are. I haven't lived in the state I was born in for 25 years, and never attended the school myself, and yet I'll never shake the loyalty I feel to it even though I no longer have a dog in the hunt. It still hurts when they lose. I've tried and I can't help it. It's not just me, ever since my family moved when I was a kid, I've been identified by the state/school I'm from with the state's nickname even though I don't bring it up. I just cant feel that same attachment to the school I graduated from nor do I identify with the athletic program of the branch of the military I serve in the same way. Do any of you to think it's possible for any of the P5 schools--like the ones mentioned above--could ever lose their following to another school within their state? Maybe there's another school in the state that could somehow rise up to the same level? I'd like to see the school I went to get into the P5 and be a part of the highest level of college sports. I'd love to hear others' opinions about what they think it would it take, or if they disagree with anything I've said. Thanks!

This is an interesting concept. And I'd agree that in most of the states you list that there's little chance that the "state-themed" school will be supplanted. Two exceptions:

In Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state. Purdue has the big, rich farming communities and the NW part of the state, but IU has the rest (including the poorer farming communities where kids don't get college degrees in agriculture) because of their basketball dominance. If Purdue actually started outperforming IU in basketball (which is more important in the state) they could easily overtake IU.

In Ohio, much of the state doesn't really feel like part of the state. It's a hodgepodge of different settlement periods, geographies, and cultures. For example, relatively few people in Toledo and even fewer in Cincinnati would self-identify as "Buckeyes," and those two regions actually have traditionally been big sources of support for Michigan (particularly Toledo). The biggest gain in UC football fans over the past decade has actually come from former Michigan fans who only rooted for Michigan because they hated Ohio State (and Ohio in general). Also, if OU ever got big, I could see them becoming the dominant team in the Appalachian part of Ohio.

OSU will always dominate in Columbus, the farms of the Central and Western parts of the state, and populous NE Ohio (Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Youngstown). But UC has always been ahead of them in Hamilton County, and has been expanding its region of influence in the last two decades due to Bob Huggins and Brian Kelly. In the future it's possible that Toledo and OU could move into similar positions in their regions if they either of them went on a winning streak.

Cap Bearcat, You said, "In Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state."--Could the overriding reason be that "Indiana" is much easier to identify for kids in the Hoosier State than the name "Purdue". I don't know, I'm just asking. ?

Are you saying there can only be one "flagship" school per state? Who are the "flagship" schools in Mississippi, Virginia, Arizona, Michigan, Washington and Utah?

(11-21-2014 07:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  n Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state.

(11-21-2014 06:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:07 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I'm a fan of a non-P5 school and a P5 school. (the school I went to, and the state I'm from) What is significant about the following states and their official nicknames?:
Indiana: The Hoosier State
Iowa; The Hawkeye State
Ohio: The Buckeye state
North Carolina: The Tar Heel state
Wisconsin: The Badger State
Oklahoma: The Sooner State
Nebraska: The Cornhusker State
Tennessee: The Volunteer State
I hope I've made my point. With a few exceptions the flagship school in a given state is the majority cultural identity for the people from that state. The t-shirt fan. When you are born into a state like those, your born into the culture, regardless if you went to that school or not. It's part of who you are. I haven't lived in the state I was born in for 25 years, and never attended the school myself, and yet I'll never shake the loyalty I feel to it even though I no longer have a dog in the hunt. It still hurts when they lose. I've tried and I can't help it. It's not just me, ever since my family moved when I was a kid, I've been identified by the state/school I'm from with the state's nickname even though I don't bring it up. I just cant feel that same attachment to the school I graduated from nor do I identify with the athletic program of the branch of the military I serve in the same way. Do any of you to think it's possible for any of the P5 schools--like the ones mentioned above--could ever lose their following to another school within their state? Maybe there's another school in the state that could somehow rise up to the same level? I'd like to see the school I went to get into the P5 and be a part of the highest level of college sports. I'd love to hear others' opinions about what they think it would it take, or if they disagree with anything I've said. Thanks!

This is an interesting concept. And I'd agree that in most of the states you list that there's little chance that the "state-themed" school will be supplanted. Two exceptions:

In Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state. Purdue has the big, rich farming communities and the NW part of the state, but IU has the rest (including the poorer farming communities where kids don't get college degrees in agriculture) because of their basketball dominance. If Purdue actually started outperforming IU in basketball (which is more important in the state) they could easily overtake IU.

In Ohio, much of the state doesn't really feel like part of the state. It's a hodgepodge of different settlement periods, geographies, and cultures. For example, relatively few people in Toledo and even fewer in Cincinnati would self-identify as "Buckeyes," and those two regions actually have traditionally been big sources of support for Michigan (particularly Toledo). The biggest gain in UC football fans over the past decade has actually come from former Michigan fans who only rooted for Michigan because they hated Ohio State (and Ohio in general). Also, if OU ever got big, I could see them becoming the dominant team in the Appalachian part of Ohio.

OSU will always dominate in Columbus, the farms of the Central and Western parts of the state, and populous NE Ohio (Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Youngstown). But UC has always been ahead of them in Hamilton County, and has been expanding its region of influence in the last two decades due to Bob Huggins and Brian Kelly. In the future it's possible that Toledo and OU could move into similar positions in their regions if they either of them went on a winning streak.

Cap Bearcat, You said, "In Indiana, Purdue is actually the bigger school, the better school, and the land-grant school. Yet IU probably has a bigger following across most of the state."--Could the overriding reason be that "Indiana" is much easier to identify for kids in the Hoosier State than the name "Purdue". I don't know, I'm just asking. ?

It could be. But personally I think it's because Indiana was the best program in college basketball in the 80s/90s. IU has 5 national championships and has been to a Final Four as recently as 2002. Purdue has more Big Ten championships than IU, but they've flopped in the postseason, never winning any national titles and only going to the Elite 8 four times.

Purdue's football program is much better than Indiana's, but college football plays second fiddle to college basketball in Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, and even still in Southwestern Ohio.

(11-21-2014 07:51 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Are you saying there can only be one "flagship" school per state? Who are the "flagship" schools in Mississippi, Virginia, Arizona, Michigan, Washington and Utah?

Mississippi = Ole Miss
Virginia = UVA
Arizona = Arizona
Michigan = UM
Washington = UW
Utah = Utah

Those were the easy ones.

(11-21-2014 07:51 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Are you saying there can only be one "flagship" school per state? Who are the "flagship" schools in Mississippi, Virginia, Arizona, Michigan, Washington and Utah?

To answer your questions, Ole Miss, UVA, Arizona, UM, U Dub and Utah.
Gray Avenger, You might be missing my point. I put in my post that their are exceptions and some states have either a dual flag ship system, or no official flag ship at all. In Colorado for example, where Colorado and CSU are both. Idaho recently announced that Idaho wasn't the flagship school of Idaho anymore and that they didn't have one. (Guess Boise football had something to do with it)
My point was that in most states, there's a school named after the state, that has the official state motto as the school's mascot creating a "t-shirt" fan mentality. Analogy: I've served in the Army and never ware Army or military shirts or American t-shirts but I see people (who've never served) with them all the time.--It's identifying with your countries culture. Does this make sense? When I moved from Iowa, I heard this statement a lot. "Your from the hawkeye state?" or "your a hawkeye" I NEVER ONCE EVER heard, "Your a cyclone" or your from "the cyclone state" Iowa identity's is with the Hawkeyes and people outside of Iowa identify them that way as well. I see your a Memphis fan. Have you ever traveled out of of state and heard, "oh, your from the tiger state"? This is not a rhetorical question. If it's happened I'd love to hear your story about it. When I say I went to school in NC and say I'm a college sports fan, it's just automatically assumed I'm a tar heel fan. Never once has anyone guessed I'm an ECU fan. I hate the tar heels but they have the state's cultural identity unfortunately.....I wish it was the ECU Tobacco Road Warriors or something more identifying with the state of NC then Pirates, and I'm fully aware of where the pirate nickname came from and why, but no one outside of NC gets it.

(11-22-2014 12:05 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 07:51 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Are you saying there can only be one "flagship" school per state? Who are the "flagship" schools in Mississippi, Virginia, Arizona, Michigan, Washington and Utah?

Mississippi = Ole Miss
Virginia = UVA
Arizona = Arizona
Michigan = UM
Washington = UW
Utah = Utah

Those were the easy ones.

Yeah, I'm not sure what that was about. Was there a trick to that question ?? Grey Avenger, where were you going with that?