(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That you forgot to add John Calipari to it...

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season. Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner? Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

(11-18-2014 09:38 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Just so I understand, are you comparing Memphis to Kentucky and UNC, or are you comparing Coach Pastner to Coaches Calipari and Williams?

My point is if good coaches can sometimes have a team that struggles, maybe Josh can too?
Just asking.

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

(11-18-2014 09:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That you forgot to add John Calipari to it...

Is this one of your clever Socratic moves? First of all, I did include Cal on the list. Second, most of the schools listed completely went into the toilet. They sure didn't make the tournament 4 out of 5 years after that.

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That 17 out of 340 programs went downhill after a great coach left. Add Memphis to the short list. Of course we added the Golden Contract boy most of them didn't get trapped into. Your a smart guy. What does that tell you?

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Yup.

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

Vandy certainly was not an uptempo team & BTW what were Kendren's assists & TOs during that soph yr, since what we need is a pt guard, floor general.

(11-18-2014 10:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That you forgot to add John Calipari to it...

Is this one of your clever Socratic moves? First of all, I did include Cal on the list. Second, most of the schools listed completely went into the toilet. They sure didn't make the tournament 4 out of 5 years after that.

Yeah, but you have UMass listed

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

The truth is pretty much the opposite of what you typed. Kedren should be able to perform as an above average point guard. If Kedren was on a good team, he would have been even better. His teammates would have made more shots, which would have given him more assists and would have created better shots for him.

People said the same thing about DeAndre Kane. How did that turn out?

(11-18-2014 10:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

Vandy certainly was not an uptempo team & BTW what were Kendren's assists & TOs during that soph yr, since what we need is a pt guard, floor general.

I'm sure he would have had more assists if the players on his bad team would have made more shots.

(11-18-2014 10:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

The truth is pretty much the opposite of what you typed. Kedren should be able to perform as an above average point guard. If Kedren was on a good team, he would have been even better. His teammates would have made more shots, which would have given him more assists and would have created better shots for him.

People said the same thing about DeAndre Kane. How did that turn out?

Hard to tell. Iowa State is on that ridiculous list you posted on another thread.

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Remind again why Chiozza (sp?) kid was not Memphis good?

(11-18-2014 10:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:44 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
Thank you.

No one is asking for the #1 PG recruit in the nation.

The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

The truth is pretty much the opposite of what you typed. Kedren should be able to perform as an above average point guard. If Kedren was on a good team, he would have been even better. His teammates would have made more shots, which would have given him more assists and would have created better shots for him.

People said the same thing about DeAndre Kane. How did that turn out?

Hard to tell. Iowa State is on that ridiculous list you posted on another thread.

Quote:Hard to tell. I'm completely wrong so I will post some rambling gibberish about something you posted on another thread

Fixed it for you buddy.

(11-18-2014 10:26 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I just want a pt guard........

Remind again why Chiozza (sp?) kid was not Memphis good?

Would have to take your word for it, I never saw him play in HS, saw him last night for UF in short spurts & he seemed OK. And if he's a true pt guard it would beat anything we have now - all 2-guards.

(11-18-2014 10:42 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:13 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:10 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:56 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:49 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The problem is that you are screaming and going into hysterics one game into the season.

No Im not.

Quote:Kedren is a good point guard; he just isn't good right now

That remains to be seen. He's not in shape and we know (as coach has said) you can't take the flu shot after you already have the flu.

Quote:and if he somehow doesn't end up being great; how can you blame Pastner?

not worth an answer

Quote:Kedren was very solid as a sophomore at Vandy.

maybe, maybe not. Leading scorer on a bad team doesn't necessarily make one good.

The truth is pretty much the opposite of what you typed. Kedren should be able to perform as an above average point guard. If Kedren was on a good team, he would have been even better. His teammates would have made more shots, which would have given him more assists and would have created better shots for him.

People said the same thing about DeAndre Kane. How did that turn out?

Hard to tell. Iowa State is on that ridiculous list you posted on another thread.

Quote:Hard to tell. I'm completely wrong so I will post some rambling gibberish about something you posted on another thread

Fixed it for you buddy.

Huh?

(11-18-2014 10:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:26 PM)MemphisTgrsFan Wrote:  Seems I remember both Kentucky and North Carolina having an off year not too long ago. I don't remember exactly; did they change coaches?

Please excuse me. I'm just making excuses I guess.

Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That you forgot to add John Calipari to it...

Is this one of your clever Socratic moves? First of all, I did include Cal on the list. Second, most of the schools listed completely went into the toilet. They sure didn't make the tournament 4 out of 5 years after that.

Another thing I find interesting on that list is guys like Ray Meyer, Lou Carnesecca, Rollie Massimino, John Cheney all coached for like one thousand years before they finally started winning. They're all products of ESPN East coast hype. Depaul sucked for years Until Meyer lucked into some Chicago talent he never got for 30 years. So did St.Johns, Villanova, UMASS, Boston College????? You want to call them Blue Blood programs? Same goes for Tark. The guy was older than dirt when he finally put it together cheating his ass off.

How did some of those guys do after they left those storied programs you mention. Massamino was a joke at UNLV. They ran him out of town on the first Greyhound bus they could find. Tark didn't do **** at Fresno. Mike Anderson? How is he doing? So so.

I see three guys on that list that continued on their winning ways. Cal Self and Donovan. Illinois had Lou whats his hairdo before Self too.

Why do you pumpers keep selling this guy? What will it take for you to say uncle. His ceiling is low. He plateaued. Time for him to get a gig at like Evansville or Northern AZ as an assistant.

(11-18-2014 11:30 PM)Chi-TownTiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:48 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Come on. Those coaches also had national championships a few years removed and had multiple big runs. This coach does not have that cache.

Again, your problem is that you somehow feel entitled. Let's see if you can figure out what happened after these coaches left...

Illinois - Bill Self
Houston - Guy Lewis
DePaul - Ray Meyer
Georgetown - John Thompson
St. John's - Lou Carnesecca
Villanova - Rollie Massimino
Boston College - Gary Williams
UMass - John Calipari
Arkansuck - Nolan Richardson
UNLV - Jerry Tarkanian
Providence - Billy Donovan
UAB - Mike Anderson
Temple - John Chaney
Cincinnati - Bob Huggins
NC State - Jim Valvano
Iowa State - Larry Eustachy
LSU - Dale Brown

You're a smart guy; what does this list tell you?

That you forgot to add John Calipari to it...

Is this one of your clever Socratic moves? First of all, I did include Cal on the list. Second, most of the schools listed completely went into the toilet. They sure didn't make the tournament 4 out of 5 years after that.

Another thing I find interesting on that list is guys like Ray Meyer, Lou Carnesecca, Rollie Massimino, John Cheney all coached for like one thousand years before they finally started winning. They're all products of ESPN East coast hype. Depaul sucked for years Until Meyer lucked into some Chicago talent he never got for 30 years. So did St.Johns, Villanova, UMASS, Boston College????? You want to call them Blue Blood programs? Same goes for Tark. The guy was older than dirt when he finally put it together cheating his ass off.

How did some of those guys do after they left those storied programs you mention. Massamino was a joke at UNLV. They ran him out of town on the first Greyhound bus they could find. Tark didn't do **** at Fresno. Mike Anderson? How is he doing? So so.

I see three guys on that list that continued on their winning ways. Cal Self and Donovan. Illinois had Lou whats his hairdo before Self too.

Why do you pumpers keep selling this guy? What will it take for you to say uncle. His ceiling is low. He plateaued. Time for him to get a gig at like Evansville or Northern AZ as an assistant.

Either you are confused or you are refuting your own argument. Your problem is that you somehow feel a weird sense of entitlement. For whatever reason you think that Final Fours and Sweet 16's grow on trees, and you can plug almost any coach in and he will win them.

Normal people will be disappointed that we haven't gone farther, but they will also realize that Pastner performed near miracles to get us to the tournament 4 out of his first 5 years. Normal people also don't throw in the towel after 1 game when we have so many new players.