(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Boise schedule is pretty decent actually for their 8 and 2 record. They've only played 3 teams with losing records. I'm guessing not many FBS schools in total can boast that.

The combined records of opponents Ole Miss, CSU, and AF is 25 and 5. True they only won one of those games but the competition is top notch, record-wise.

If Boise can finish off 8 and 3 Utah State and win the championship games against Nevada, plus their previous reputation, I think they'll be Access Bowl bound.

Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

please stop this is the logic that makes no sense, no one is calling for CSU in the playoffs, we get their resumes isnt good enough for the top 10...if we were arguing that, your logic used in this would would make sense'

the blantantly obvious flaw in your argument= looking at the the bottom of the top 25 where we are arguing CSU should be ...

lets look at minnesotas schedule, ranked #25

Csu has only beaten 1 team with a record better than 6-4 ..who is 8-3...Minnesote has only beaten 1 team better than 6-4 who is 7-3..but for some reason its ok for them but not for us G5

CSU has only beaten 3 teams with a winning record...minnesota has beaten 1 team with a winning record..but thats OK for them but not for us G5

CSU barely beat a 3-7 san jose ....Minnesota barely beat a 3-7 san jose (it was a 10 point game with most of the 4 quarter)

CSU lost to boise who is 8-2, Minnesota lost to Illinios who is 4-6
CSU has 1 loss total, Minnesota has 3

your entire logic on this is flawed. the bottom line is that you dont respect G5 teams enough to give them credit

(11-19-2014 10:20 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

please stop this is the logic that makes no sense, no one is calling for CSU in the playoffs, we get their resumes isnt good enough for the top 10...if we were arguing that, your logic used in this would would make sense'

the blantantly obvious flaw in your argument= looking at the the bottom of the top 25 where we are arguing CSU should be ...

lets look at minnesotas schedule, ranked #25

Csu has only beaten 1 team with a record better than 6-4 ..who is 8-3...Minnesote has only beaten 1 team better than 6-4 who is 7-3..but for some reason its ok for them but not for us G5

CSU has only beaten 3 teams with a winning record...minnesota has beaten 1 team with a winning record..but thats OK for them but not for us G5

CSU barely beat a 3-7 san jose ....Minnesota barely beat a 3-7 san jose (it was a 10 point game with most of the 4 quarter)

CSU lost to boise who is 8-2, Minnesota lost to Illinios who is 4-6
CSU has 1 loss total, Minnesota has 3

your entire logic on this is flawed. the bottom line is that you dont respect G5 teams enough to give them credit

(11-19-2014 10:20 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

please stop this is the logic that makes no sense, no one is calling for CSU in the playoffs, we get their resumes isnt good enough for the top 10...if we were arguing that, your logic used in this would would make sense'

the blantantly obvious flaw in your argument= looking at the the bottom of the top 25 where we are arguing CSU should be ...

lets look at minnesotas schedule, ranked #25

Csu has only beaten 1 team with a record better than 6-4 ..who is 8-3...Minnesote has only beaten 1 team better than 6-4 who is 7-3..but for some reason its ok for them but not for us G5

CSU has only beaten 3 teams with a winning record...minnesota has beaten 1 team with a winning record..but thats OK for them but not for us G5

CSU barely beat a 3-7 san jose ....Minnesota barely beat a 3-7 san jose (it was a 10 point game with most of the 4 quarter)

CSU lost to boise who is 8-2, Minnesota lost to Illinios who is 4-6
CSU has 1 loss total, Minnesota has 3

your entire logic on this is flawed. the bottom line is that you dont respect G5 teams enough to give them credit

That said, your argument of CSU over Minnesota is legit.

However, LSU, even at 7 and 4, has a better resume then either Minnesota or CSU. They played 5 legitimate top 25, including a couple CFP teams and others looking to get in, beating two of them.

The biggest complain about your reply is that you provided no argument addressing my argument of Boise over CSU.

Since my reply, CSU still has that loss to Boise and were getting blown out 37 to 10 in the 4th quarter before a prevent defense(58 to 18 pass/run ratio for CSU) allowed CSU to make the game respectable. Boise gained 676 yards in the game, more then 200+ then CSU all while accumulating a +2 in turnover ratio.

Boise had a 200+ running back in the game, obviously manhandling CSU's run defense.

You want a team as poor as CSU was in the Boise game representing the G5 in the access bowl? I don't.

Minnesota has an SOS somewhere in the 50s according to Massey. Csu has an SOS near 80. It simply appears that the committee is doing what they said they would do, In that SOS would play a large part of the ranking.

And if I were Marshall, I would plan to blow out every opponent from here on out. Because the committee is signaling that they would need to do that in order for them to hold their nose and consider Marshall.

(11-19-2014 10:42 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  That said, your argument of CSU over Minnesota is legit.

However, LSU, even at 7 and 4, has a better resume then either Minnesota or CSU. They played 5 legitimate top 25, including a couple CFP teams and others looking to get in, beating two of them.

The biggest complain about your reply is that you provided no argument addressing my argument of Boise over CSU.

Since my reply, CSU still has that loss to Boise and were getting blown out 37 to 10 in the 4th quarter before a prevent defense(58 to 18 pass/run ratio for CSU) allowed CSU to make the game respectable. Boise gained 676 yards in the game, more then 200+ then CSU all while accumulating a +2 in turnover ratio.

Boise had a 200+ running back in the game, obviously manhandling CSU's run defense.

You want a team as poor as CSU was in the Boise game representing the G5 in the access bowl? I don't.

it doesnt bother me, if they lose it just makes the MWC look bad, if they win it shows all G5 can compete and we deserve bettre rankings

and ucf barely beat some not so good teams last year, and still beat baylor, you still got to give them a chance

and a team cant have 1 bad game??...a mediocre arizona blew out oregon by 4 tds last year, oregon was still an elite team

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  Boise schedule is pretty decent actually for their 8 and 2 record. They've only played 3 teams with losing records. I'm guessing not many FBS schools in total can boast that.

The combined records of opponents Ole Miss, CSU, and AF is 25 and 5. True they only won one of those games but the competition is top notch, record-wise.

If Boise can finish off 8 and 3 Utah State and win the championship games against Nevada, plus their previous reputation, I think they'll be Access Bowl bound.

Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

We will agree to disagree on this point. IMO at one loss Colorado State's resume is a lot better than Boise State's and Marshall's. Colorado State should be ranked but I think I understand the justification for why they are not due to the tie breaker going to Boise State; but then again that does not really make sense either because that same committee ranks TCU over Baylor even though both teams have the same record and Baylor holds the tie breaker.

(11-19-2014 10:20 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

please stop this is the logic that makes no sense, no one is calling for CSU in the playoffs, we get their resumes isnt good enough for the top 10...if we were arguing that, your logic used in this would would make sense'

the blantantly obvious flaw in your argument= looking at the the bottom of the top 25 where we are arguing CSU should be ...

lets look at minnesotas schedule, ranked #25

Csu has only beaten 1 team with a record better than 6-4 ..who is 8-3...Minnesote has only beaten 1 team better than 6-4 who is 7-3..but for some reason its ok for them but not for us G5

CSU has only beaten 3 teams with a winning record...minnesota has beaten 1 team with a winning record..but thats OK for them but not for us G5

CSU barely beat a 3-7 san jose ....Minnesota barely beat a 3-7 san jose (it was a 10 point game with most of the 4 quarter)

CSU lost to boise who is 8-2, Minnesota lost to Illinios who is 4-6
CSU has 1 loss total, Minnesota has 3

your entire logic on this is flawed. the bottom line is that you dont respect G5 teams enough to give them credit

CSU's Sagarin strength of schedule rank as of 11/15: 97th
Marshall's Sagarin SOS: 141st
Minnesota Sagarin SOS: 61st

Overall Sagarin rankings (SOS) of selected G5 schools as of 11/15
Marshall 33 (141)
Boise St 39 (70)
Minnesota 40 (61)
Memphis 43 (87)
Colorado State 50 (97)

Houston 69 (118) Nice job, Tony. :-(

Now I'm not saying I necessarily agree with those rankings, but they aren't utterly preposterous either.

to coogrfan and UofMstateU , we get that minnesota has played a harder scheudle (tcu & ohio state)..but lost both

but CSU has better quality win and Minnesota has a worse loss to a 4-6 team...are we just going to say Minnesota deserves to be ranked higher than CSU because becuase they were beat by better teams?

(11-19-2014 11:00 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 10:21 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Boise is barely beating bad teams. Take a look at their last 2 wins. Boise got stomped by an AFA team and AFA schedule has been real soft.

I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

We will agree to disagree on this point. IMO at one loss Colorado State's resume is a lot better than Boise State's and Marshall's. Colorado State should be ranked but I think I understand the justification for why they are not due to the tie breaker going to Boise State; but then again that does not really make sense either because that same committee ranks TCU over Baylor even though both teams have the same record and Baylor holds the tie breaker.

In order to qualify for the Access Bowl is it mandatory that you are a conference Champ? Or can you be ranked higher than the conference champ and be chosen ?

(11-19-2014 11:32 AM)Bearcat Jimmy-93 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:00 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 11:00 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I don't know, in the 4th quarter of those games they outscored the opponents 40 to 6 to win by an average of 10 points in those games. Ten point wins while wearing down the opponents is a sign of a good team to me. Averaging over 40 point s a game in their wins is impressive as well.

We are talking about for the access bowl aren't we? We're not talking about comparing them to Alabama or FSU are we? I thought they were competing against Marshall, CSU, and NIU (perhaps) for the Access bowl.

Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

We will agree to disagree on this point. IMO at one loss Colorado State's resume is a lot better than Boise State's and Marshall's. Colorado State should be ranked but I think I understand the justification for why they are not due to the tie breaker going to Boise State; but then again that does not really make sense either because that same committee ranks TCU over Baylor even though both teams have the same record and Baylor holds the tie breaker.

In order to qualify for the Access Bowl is it mandatory that you are a conference Champ? Or can you be ranked higher than the conference champ and be chosen ?

You have to be the conference champion to get the access bowl. No other way to get it.

(11-19-2014 11:38 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:32 AM)Bearcat Jimmy-93 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 11:00 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 10:01 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 09:40 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Their last 2 opponents were New Mexico and San Diego State. Those two schools are a combined 8-12. Yes we are talking about the access bowl and Boise is not that good. Colorado State's lone loss is keeping them unranked. It sounds like you are confused as to what they are ranking. They are ranking the top 25 programs. My contention based upon body of work is that Colorado State is one of the top 25 programs, but Boise State is not.

CSU's resume isn't stellar either. It's hard to put a team that was losing 37 to 10 into the 4th quarter over another team. Sure the two losses don't help Boise but neither does getting blown out by the very same team they claim to be better then.

They have beaten a grand total of 3 teams with a winning record. Heck, they have only played FOUR team with a winning record. At least Boise has played FIVE teams with a winning record. They barely beating 3 and 7 San Jose State two games ago doesn't help. Their last 3 opponents are a not so grand 10 and 21.

No, it's easy to see why they are not ranked in the top 25 while beating just ONE team with a record better then 6 and 4.

The bottom line is that none of the P5 teams have resumes strong enough for the top 25.

We will agree to disagree on this point. IMO at one loss Colorado State's resume is a lot better than Boise State's and Marshall's. Colorado State should be ranked but I think I understand the justification for why they are not due to the tie breaker going to Boise State; but then again that does not really make sense either because that same committee ranks TCU over Baylor even though both teams have the same record and Baylor holds the tie breaker.

In order to qualify for the Access Bowl is it mandatory that you are a conference Champ? Or can you be ranked higher than the conference champ and be chosen ?

You have to be the conference champion to get the access bowl. No other way to get it.

Yep. Mandatory. CSU has the same conference record as Boise, and a better overall record, but unfortunately for them, they lost to Boise in their division.

(11-18-2014 09:22 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This sucks. No G5 team in the Top 25? I am starting to feel like the fix is in.

Agreed. Putting away the biases of the CFP Committee. CSU is ranked #22 and #23 in the AP and Coaches and Marshall is ranked #18 in each.

The P5 bias has now been codified.

(11-19-2014 12:49 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:22 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This sucks. No G5 team in the Top 25? I am starting to feel like the fix is in.

Agreed. Putting away the biases of the CFP Committee. CSU is ranked #22 and #23 in the AP and Coaches and Marshall is ranked #18 in each.

The bias has been codified.

Yes it has. The coaches and the media poll consistently ranks teams that have beaten absolutely no one; higher than teams that have actually beaten decent teams. Take a look at how high those stupid media and coaches poll started out ranking that garbage team that Notre Dame put out there. The CFP committee ranked Notre Dame lower in their poll and people screamed at how wrong they were in their ranking of Notre Dame. Guess what? The CFP got it right.

The BCS tried to correct that problem, but that was a flawed system too. Now the CFP playoff committee is making an attempt to fix the loophole. This system maybe flawed too, but is better than the media and coaches bull crap polls. Those polls have been garbage every since they were created.

(11-19-2014 12:53 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:49 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:22 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This sucks. No G5 team in the Top 25? I am starting to feel like the fix is in.

Agreed. Putting away the biases of the CFP Committee. CSU is ranked #22 and #23 in the AP and Coaches and Marshall is ranked #18 in each.
The bias has been codified.

Yes it has. The coaches and the media poll consistently ranks teams that have absolutely beaten no one; higher than teams that have actually beaten decent teams. The BCS tried to correct that problem, but that was a flawed system too. Now the CFP playoff committee is making an attempt to fix the loophole. This system maybe flawed too, but is better than the media and coaches bull crap polls. Those polls have been garbage every since they created.

Looks to me like they went in the wrong direction; but the whole thing is moving toward minor league NFL anyways.

(11-19-2014 12:56 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:53 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 12:49 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 09:22 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  This sucks. No G5 team in the Top 25? I am starting to feel like the fix is in.

Agreed. Putting away the biases of the CFP Committee. CSU is ranked #22 and #23 in the AP and Coaches and Marshall is ranked #18 in each.
The bias has been codified.

Yes it has. The coaches and the media poll consistently ranks teams that have absolutely beaten no one; higher than teams that have actually beaten decent teams. The BCS tried to correct that problem, but that was a flawed system too. Now the CFP playoff committee is making an attempt to fix the loophole. This system maybe flawed too, but is better than the media and coaches bull crap polls. Those polls have been garbage every since they created.

Looks to me like they went in the wrong direction; but the whole thing is moving toward minor league NFL anyways.

The only team that is getting screwed is Colorado State. No other school has any other argument, because from day 1 the committee made it clear that they were going to be looking at SOS. The Marshall AD knew 2 years ago what the criteria would be, but he still didn't take any steps to correct Marshall's schedule.

(11-19-2014 11:23 AM)pesik Wrote:  to coogrfan and UofMstateU , we get that minnesota has played a harder scheudle (tcu & ohio state)..but lost both

but CSU has better quality win and Minnesota has a worse loss to a 4-6 team...are we just going to say Minnesota deserves to be ranked higher than CSU because becuase they were beat by better teams?

No. And it's not what I say, it's what the committee has said for more than a year. SOS will play a large part in the rankings. It's why the b10 went out a scheduled a team with a pulse in the OOC. Every team on the planet that wanted to get into the playoffs and or access bowl beefed their OOC schedule up. Except Marshall. Which us why it would be totally unfair to rank them at all. If they do, then everyone is going to go back to playing 4 cupcakes in the OOC. And that is going to make for some stupid football for the first 6weeks of the year. They will entirely ruin a large chunk of the season if they allow teams to do that and get away with it.

(11-18-2014 08:24 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 08:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I'm very surprised that CSU is not being ranked. But here it's a question that if I was a MWC person I would be very concerned about.

In the first poll ECU with one loss and wins over UNC and VTech WAS ranked

Does that mean the AAC carries a bigger pull in the committees eyes?

That's what I was thinking. I think this says more about what the committee thinks about the AAC. We have to win more ooc or that will change

More TV sets I believe.

(11-19-2014 01:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Every team on the planet that wanted to get into the playoffs and or access bowl beefed their OOC schedule up. Except Marshall.

See also Baylor and Nebraska. (Although Nebraska suffers just as much from its weak Big Ten schedule as its weak OOC opponents).

Baylor
Overall: 9-1
Top-25: 2-0
26-50: 1-1
51-75: N/A
76-100: 2-0
101+: 3-0
Good wins: #7 TCU, #15 Oklahoma, #38 Texas
Losses: #32 West Virginia

Most other top-10 teams have 3 wins against the top-25 and 5+ wins against the top-50. Also, their losses are mostly to top-25 teams. Plus, half of Baylor's games are against teams ranked 90+. Baylor's resume will improve with #60 Oklahoma St. and #14 Kansas St. coming up. But the bears would need to sneak into the CFP after a couple of championship weekend upsets in the PAC 12, ACC, or Big Ten.

Nebraska
Overall: 8-2
Top-25: 0-2
26-50: 1-0
51-75: 2-0
76-100: 2-0
101+: 3-0
Good wins: #30 Miami, #56 Rutgers, at #60 Northwestern
Losses: at #12 Michigan St., at #17 Wisconsin

ALthough still a Big Ten championship contender, Nebraska is one of the lowest ranked (#23) P5 team with 2 losses. There are ten other 2-loss P5's and five 3-loss P5's ranked ahead of them. Why? Half the Cornhuskers' games so far have been against teams ranked 80+; they have as many games against 101+ ranked teams as they do the top-50; and, they're only 1-2 against the top-50.