(01-09-2014 12:38 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 10:08 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 02:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Being a directional school doesn't help a school's image a whole lot, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it. Does Southwest Missouri State sound as good of an add for the MAC as Missouri State would? Of course there's only so much a name can do, there are plenty of successful athletic programs with a directional name (USC for one, even though it is private) and plenty of obscure programs that sound like they should be big-time (U of Chicago).

Good point with Mo State. We've all discussed the possibility of adding Missouri State to the MAC, some for, some against, but all considering. I doubt HARDLY ANY of us would be chattering about them as our equal if they were still called Southwest Missouri State as they were just a few years ago. Yet they are the EXACT same school, now just with a different name, weird how that works.

Texas State was U of Texas at San Marcos nice upgrade .

WORStern Michigan would be what Kalamacrapity State or Kalamacrapity U or named after a person (Where's Waldo)?

(01-09-2014 12:50 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 02:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Being a directional school doesn't help a school's image a whole lot, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it. Does Southwest Missouri State sound as good of an add for the MAC as Missouri State would? Of course there's only so much a name can do, there are plenty of successful athletic programs with a directional name (USC for one, even though it is private) and plenty of obscure programs that sound like they should be big-time (U of Chicago).

Well U of Chicago doesn't have football, but it is most certainly a big time school. It is one of the finest schools in the country.

UChicago has a Div III football team.

Big time? Depends on what you mean. Obviously they are no longer big time when talking about college sports.

(01-09-2014 01:12 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 12:50 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 02:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Being a directional school doesn't help a school's image a whole lot, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it. Does Southwest Missouri State sound as good of an add for the MAC as Missouri State would? Of course there's only so much a name can do, there are plenty of successful athletic programs with a directional name (USC for one, even though it is private) and plenty of obscure programs that sound like they should be big-time (U of Chicago).

Well U of Chicago doesn't have football, but it is most certainly a big time school. It is one of the finest schools in the country.

UChicago has a Div III football team.

Big time? Depends on what you mean. Obviously they are no longer big time when talking about college sports.

I said they are in academic standing. Hence the words, it's one of the finest schools in the country. People hold that degree in higher standing than almost anywhere in the country.

As someone who loves sports, I think the fact that we think of big time schools as only ones that are well know for athletics is a bit odd. I am guilty of that. I realize not every school can be Stanford, but not every school has to be a SEC school either (academically not all the institutions are that excellent; there are outliers).

As for U of Chicago football, I forgot they were DIII, I thought they had disbanded. My bad, but they do have a previous illustrious program with a Heisman winner and founding the BigTen.

(01-09-2014 12:38 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 10:08 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 02:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Being a directional school doesn't help a school's image a whole lot, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it. Does Southwest Missouri State sound as good of an add for the MAC as Missouri State would? Of course there's only so much a name can do, there are plenty of successful athletic programs with a directional name (USC for one, even though it is private) and plenty of obscure programs that sound like they should be big-time (U of Chicago).

Good point with Mo State. We've all discussed the possibility of adding Missouri State to the MAC, some for, some against, but all considering. I doubt HARDLY ANY of us would be chattering about them as our equal if they were still called Southwest Missouri State as they were just a few years ago. Yet they are the EXACT same school, now just with a different name, weird how that works.

Texas State was U of Texas at San Marcos nice upgrade .

Western Michigan would be what Kalamazoo State or Kalamazoo U or named after a person ?

Texas State was SW Texas State. The gubmint at first made them call the schools Texas State University at San Marcos but everyone ignored the San Marcos and the law has been amended so it's now just Texas State University.

If NIU is so worried about their name, might I suggest "Lincoln State University"? Plenty of universities are named after historic figures.

(01-09-2014 04:10 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  If NIU is so worried about their name, might I suggest "Lincoln State University"? Plenty of universities are named after historic figures.

Already taken

http://www.lincolntech-usa.com/

By a better school

Since no one outside the state knows where DeKalb is, we could be "60-miles-west-of-Chicago University". Though I still prefer DeKalb University of Illinois.

(01-09-2014 04:18 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:10 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  If NIU is so worried about their name, might I suggest "Lincoln State University"? Plenty of universities are named after historic figures.

Already taken

http://www.lincolntech-usa.com/

By a better school

It's probably not best to get in an argument about better schools academically. Let's not open that can of worms.

My school is better than yours blah blah blah.

But realistically, NIU pumps out more grads than any of the MAC schools to the 3rd largest job market in the country.

That location has more value than one might think.

Isn't Missouri State the former SW Missouri State. And Louisana Lafayette and Monroe had directional titles previously, too..did they not?

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Texas State was U of Texas at San Marcos nice upgrade .

Western Michigan would be what Kalamazoo State or Kalamazoo U or named after a person ?
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Could name the university after the Upjohn Corp. like Ball St. after the Ball Co.

Then we could be known as Up U!

(01-09-2014 05:36 PM)exCincy Kid1 Wrote:  Isn't Missouri State the former SW Missouri State. And Louisana Lafayette and Monroe had directional titles previously, too..did they not?

Yes. ULL (preferred athletic brand is Louisiana's Ragin Cajuns) was Southwestern Louisiana, and ULM was Northeast Louisiana. Northwestern State and Southeast Louisiana have yet to convert, despite being part of the University of Louisiana system.

(01-09-2014 04:46 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:18 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 04:10 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  If NIU is so worried about their name, might I suggest "Lincoln State University"? Plenty of universities are named after historic figures.

Already taken

http://www.lincolntech-usa.com/

By a better school

It's probably not best to get in an argument about better schools academically. Let's not open that can of worms.

My school is better than yours blah blah blah.

But realistically, NIU pumps out more grads than any of the MAC schools to the 3rd largest job market in the country.

That location has more value than one might think.

Not me. I've long asserted that NIU can reap great benefits as the Chi suburbs expand west.

I was shocked at how much things had grown in DuPage county since I went to college there, and that came 14 years ago. I imagine it's compounded further.

On my visit last month, I was also astounded at how much the Phx area had grown since I was last there, and that includes ASU's expanding presence in downtown Tempe.

One might say propose that the biggest distinction among universities these days is how the population and demographics surrounding them is changing. For the most part, that's not looking too good for MAC members.

(01-10-2014 07:13 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  One might say propose that the biggest distinction among universities these days is how the population and demographics surrounding them is changing. For the most part, that's not looking too good for MAC members.

We might see that turn around as companies see that we have great weather going for us and start to relocate to Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo and other cities in the Mid East.

(01-10-2014 09:23 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(01-10-2014 07:13 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  One might say propose that the biggest distinction among universities these days is how the population and demographics surrounding them is changing. For the most part, that's not looking too good for MAC members.

We might see that turn around as companies see that we have great weather going for us and start to relocate to Buffalo, Cleveland, Toledo and other cities in the Mid East.

Certainly a distinct possibility.

(01-09-2014 10:08 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  

(01-09-2014 02:56 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Being a directional school doesn't help a school's image a whole lot, but it certainly doesn't hurt to change it. Does Southwest Missouri State sound as good of an add for the MAC as Missouri State would? Of course there's only so much a name can do, there are plenty of successful athletic programs with a directional name (USC for one, even though it is private) and plenty of obscure programs that sound like they should be big-time (U of Chicago).

Good point with Mo State. We've all discussed the possibility of adding Missouri State to the MAC, some for, some against, but all considering. I doubt HARDLY ANY of us would be chattering about them as our equal if they were still called Southwest Missouri State as they were just a few years ago. Yet they are the EXACT same school, now just with a different name, weird how that works.

The name change was the best thing to ever happen to our school and with a new president that is about as progressive as it can get, we will only continue to improve.

Plus drawing crowds like this help:

watched Toledo and Bowling Green on TV last night.....snowy and cold.....EKU would be an excellent southern destination for the MAC. would be excellent rivals with ohio university and Miami ohio as well as Interstate 75 BGSU and Toledo too. Akron and Kent State are within reasonable travel distance. EKU would be competitive immediately in Football, Basketball and Baseball. looks like an natural addition.