(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:36 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Oh yes I am letting the whole season play out. I said we will win on Tue. But I am also saying if he doesn't have a good season this year we should make a change, clearly I'm not alone.

You are part of a very insignificant minority that believes that train of thought. If you were an AD you would kill our athletic program in 3 months. Not many smart choices on your part. So many variables to weigh out, fans like the "Fire Pastner Bunch" are shortsighted

I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Pastner isn't getting forced out given the class he has coming in next year.

We won't do anything in the tourney with any coach until our seeding improves. It's a lot easier making the sweet 16 when the team we play in our second game is comparable to the teams we are playing in our first game.

Some of you guys talk as if you have been tiger fans since the sixties, but your memory only goes back to 2007.

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  You are part of a very insignificant minority that believes that train of thought. If you were an AD you would kill our athletic program in 3 months. Not many smart choices on your part. So many variables to weigh out, fans like the "Fire Pastner Bunch" are shortsighted

I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining attendance as well. But you wouldn't know that.

(11-17-2014 10:06 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Pastner isn't getting forced out given the class he has coming in next year.

We won't do anything in the tourney with any coach until our seeding improves. It's a lot easier making the sweet 16 when the team we play in our second game is comparable to the teams we are playing in our first game.

Some of you guys talk as if you have been tiger fans since the sixties, but your memory only goes back to 2007.

What "class?" You mean the two kids who are sons of the coach he had to hire to get those kids to come to Memphis? I would imagine IF a new coach came in, the first priority would be to retain Lawson on the next staff.

(11-17-2014 10:07 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining attendance as well. But you wouldn't know that.

Nope not from way over there he wouldn't

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  You are part of a very insignificant minority that believes that train of thought. If you were an AD you would kill our athletic program in 3 months. Not many smart choices on your part. So many variables to weigh out, fans like the "Fire Pastner Bunch" are shortsighted

I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining health is revisionist history...The fans knew about his bad health? You seriously believe that...That was his downfall? the fans turning their backs on him was his downfall.

And 1 year of poor recruiting CANS you...Seriously that is bullsh1t...He got canned because the fans voted with their feet. Right wrong or indifferent.

(11-17-2014 10:06 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Pastner isn't getting forced out given the class he has coming in next year.

We won't do anything in the tourney with any coach until our seeding improves. It's a lot easier making the sweet 16 when the team we play in our second game is comparable to the teams we are playing in our first game.

Some of you guys talk as if you have been tiger fans since the sixties, but your memory only goes back to 2007.

If he wants a good seed he needs to win games in the regular season, he can start by winning on Tue. that will begin to build a resume so he can get that good seed you speak of. To date, he has yet to beat anyone early in the season that would have given him a good seed in March.

(11-17-2014 10:07 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining attendance as well. But you wouldn't know that.

Just my bad luck that newspapers, boxscores and general sports reporting media were only invented in 1998.

Pastner seems to have been relegated to finding any warm bodies he could for the last couple of years. I realize things seem to look a bit better next year but even that hasn't been sealed yet.

(11-17-2014 10:10 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:07 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining attendance as well. But you wouldn't know that.

Nope not from way over there he wouldn't

I hope that declining attendance isn't held against this coach. It will be interesting to see the turnout for the home opener. Last year there where several games of actual attendance in the low 10's. I hadn't seen games that sparsely attended since the 04-05 season.

(11-17-2014 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:06 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Pastner isn't getting forced out given the class he has coming in next year.

We won't do anything in the tourney with any coach until our seeding improves. It's a lot easier making the sweet 16 when the team we play in our second game is comparable to the teams we are playing in our first game.

Some of you guys talk as if you have been tiger fans since the sixties, but your memory only goes back to 2007.

What "class?" You mean the two kids who are sons of the coach he had to hire to get those kids to come to Memphis? I would imagine IF a new coach came in, the first priority would be to retain Lawson on the next staff.

Interesting. Who comes to mind?

(11-17-2014 09:34 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:33 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:29 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:26 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Here's why - He is the most successful coach in Memphis Tiger basketball history in taking the team to the NCAA Tournament. That's 4 out 5 years (the last 4 in a row) which is a success rate of 80%. No other coach in Memphis history can say that, and no other coach in the country will get fired with that success rate except for possibly a couple blue blood schools.

So, to those of you that want him gone - Taking a basketball team to the NCAA Tournament at an 80% clip DOES NOT GET YOU FIRED at Memphis. You're wasting energy, and fighting a battle you will never win anytime soon.

Finch got fired immediately after taking his team to 4 out of 5 NCAA tourneys (80%) and those included an Elite 8 and Sweet 16...

Then he had an NIT season and he hit the door...Sorry but that argument fails even using Memphis history as an example, unless you are saying that our expectations are no longer that high.

Why did Finch get fired?

You tell me...

I want CUSA News to answer this

I hate that declining health revisionist bull crap...

There are plenty of situations where coaches have had Cancer and a bunch of other issues and they are not canned...That had nothing to do with his firing.

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:42 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  You are part of a very insignificant minority that believes that train of thought. If you were an AD you would kill our athletic program in 3 months. Not many smart choices on your part. So many variables to weigh out, fans like the "Fire Pastner Bunch" are shortsighted

I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

And my response was specifically in response to his statement that firing someone after 1 bad season is stupid...Pointing out that FINCH was fired after ONE bad season.

And the fact that he didn't coach again says what...Larry was a Memphis Phenomenon...He was successful recruiting Memphis because he was a Memphis legend...That really is not that portable.

THE KING OF SPIN TRYING TO DO IT AGAIN.

(11-17-2014 10:13 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining health is revisionist history...The fans knew about his bad health...You seriously believe that...That was his downfall the fans turning their backs on him.

You don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about. Maybe point form will help.

- The 1996 team was like our team last year. In very good shape until February and fell apart against Drexel

- The 1997 team wasn't very good at all, and Cedric Henderson was a senior

- Larry didn't have any great recruits on the 1997 team

- Larry didn't have any great recruits lined up

- Larry's health was so bad that he was barely in charge of the huddle

Obviously, the firing wasn't handled properly, but the bottom line is that Larry wasn't able to coach anymore; his health was really bad. IF Larry had the capacity to coach, he would have had plenty of offers.

(11-17-2014 10:21 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  I hate that declining health revisionist bull crap...

There are plenty of situations where coaches have had Cancer and a bunch of other issues and they are not canned...That had nothing to do with his firing.

Well, Larry (who is the most beloved Tiger of all time) is long gone, both from the job and earth. However, we have a current coach that clearly has some issues on his plate.

(11-17-2014 10:17 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:06 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Pastner isn't getting forced out given the class he has coming in next year.

We won't do anything in the tourney with any coach until our seeding improves. It's a lot easier making the sweet 16 when the team we play in our second game is comparable to the teams we are playing in our first game.

Some of you guys talk as if you have been tiger fans since the sixties, but your memory only goes back to 2007.

What "class?" You mean the two kids who are sons of the coach he had to hire to get those kids to come to Memphis? I would imagine IF a new coach came in, the first priority would be to retain Lawson on the next staff.

Interesting. Who comes to mind?

Dunno. Pastner is still the coach until he isn't. Unless Memphis loses to the likes of Sam Houston or NC Central, or don't make the NIT, his job is safe.

(11-17-2014 10:16 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:10 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:07 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining attendance as well. But you wouldn't know that.

Nope not from way over there he wouldn't

I hope that declining attendance isn't held against this coach. It will be interesting to see the turnout for the home opener. Last year there where several games of actual attendance in the low 10's. I hadn't seen games that sparsely attended since the 04-05 season.

It is much easier to buyout someone making 200k than someone making 2.5 Million.

(11-17-2014 10:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:46 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I disagree with all of your post. First off, the season hasn't played out. I do not want to fire him before the season has played out. If he has a successful year this year his job is safe. All of the "if you were AD bla bla" makes no sense.

To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

And my response was specifically in response to his statement that firing someone after 1 bad season is stupid...Pointing out that FINCH was fired after ONE bad season.

And the fact that he didn't coach again says what...Larry was a Memphis Phenomenon...He was successful recruiting Memphis because he was a Memphis legend...That really is not that portable.

THE KING OF SPIN TRYING TO DO IT AGAIN.

The king of spin?

Me
- Poor season with little talent
- No freshman/newcomers that had great talent
- Pipeline of Memphis talent going elsewhere
- No quality recruits coming in for next season

You
- Firing someone after one bad season is stupid
- Finch's health had nothing to do with his firing
- Not a single offer because Finch was a Memphis legend

Your definition of spin is hilarious. Keep up the good work.

(11-17-2014 10:24 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:13 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 10:05 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:51 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(11-17-2014 09:49 AM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  To fire the guy after 1 bad season is stupid. He has 10 newcomers and they are Kentucky level recruits

Finch was canned after 1 bad season and honestly that "Bad" season he may have won the new C-USA Josh started in...He did finish tied for 1st in his division...Hell he went 5-0 vs. ranked teams that season.

Wow. Nothing at all about Finch's declining health or the fact that he couldn't recruit effectively? Your official answer is 1 bad season? If it was 1 bad season, how come Larry never coached again after that? How come he didn't have a single D1 offer after that?

Declining health is revisionist history...The fans knew about his bad health...You seriously believe that...That was his downfall the fans turning their backs on him.

You don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about. Maybe point form will help.

- The 1996 team was like our team last year. In very good shape until February and fell apart against Drexel
TRUE
- The 1997 team wasn't very good at all, and Cedric Henderson was a senior TRUE

- Larry didn't have any great recruits on the 1997 team TRUE

- Larry didn't have any great recruits lined up TRUE

- Larry's health was so bad that he was barely in charge of the huddle BullSh1t

Obviously, the firing wasn't handled properly, but the bottom line is that Larry wasn't able to coach anymore; his health was really bad. IF Larry had the capacity to coach, he would have had plenty of offers.

The point of the Larry Finch comparison is to say that Josh CAN be fired after going to 4 out of 5 NCAA tourneys.

Josh would be on the same trajectory if he has a losing season this year and Josh is in perfect health and doesn't appear to have control over the huddle. The FANS fired Larry that is the bottom line. If they filled up the Pyramid in his last year he would not have been fired.