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Marshalls Holiday
I hope I'm wrong but there are rumors Doc maybe moving south before the bowl game? Any rumors in Huntington about Doc moving to bigger and better?

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He will not leave before the bowl game. There is a chance he will leave but before the bowl game won't happen and if it does I think just about everyone will be suprised. We aren't talking about Todd Graham or Rich Rodriguez here, Doc is 100% class.
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(11-16-2014 11:43 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  I hope I'm wrong but there are rumors Doc maybe moving south before the bowl game? Any rumors in Huntington about Doc moving to bigger and better?

:huh::s:s

Where is he going, Florida is one of a hand full of Jobs Doc would even consider looking at. But their AD has proven he goes after younger coaches. Even Zook was only 47 when he was hired at Florida.

I think ULL has more to worry about with the Florida opening than Marshall. Im guessing this is going to be Dan Mullen, Mike Gundy, Mike Stoops or Gary Patterson's job to turn down. If Florida was to tap Mullen as the new coach then Hudspeth is all but gone.

Its not totally improbable that Florida comes after Doc but Doc is 57 and would be 58 before next season starts. And I don't see them giving Doc 4-5 years to build the depth he would need. Even getting 4 and 5 star players still means building depth.

Even if he was to be tapped at Florida, Im sure the AD would allow him to coach the bowl and the students would vote to let him coach.
11-17-2014 12:28 AM
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No, but the good news is Doc was re-signed to a new contract extension at the start of this season, so if he leaves, we get $600k per year remaining. If he leaves before the completion of this athletic year, we'd get $2.4 million coming our way.

I've said all along that Florida is the only one job I'd be fearful losing him, too. It's in his wheelhouse, he was an associate head coach for a national championship team there, their successful basketball coach got his start at Marshall, and they could afford the buyout. Even then, I'm not sweating because I think they'll make the play for Rich Rodriguez before Doc. If Their search goes beyond Rich Rod, then I think Doc could possibly be in play, but I don't think he's on their initial short list.
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(11-17-2014 12:47 AM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  No, but the good news is Doc was re-signed to a new contract extension at the start of this season, so if he leaves, we get $600k per year remaining. If he leaves before the completion of this athletic year, we'd get $2.4 million coming our way.

I've said all along that Florida is the only one job I'd be fearful losing him, too. It's in his wheelhouse, he was an associate head coach for a national championship team there, their successful basketball coach got his start at Marshall, and they could afford the buyout. Even then, I'm not sweating because I think they'll make the play for Rich Rodriguez before Doc. If Their search goes beyond Rich Rod, then I think Doc could possibly be in play, but I don't think he's on their initial short list.

Not to mention the whole revolving buyout clause. Everyone assumes its still WVU, but it might have switched.
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(11-16-2014 11:54 PM)MU42 Wrote:  He will not leave before the bowl game. There is a chance he will leave but before the bowl game won't happen and if it does I think just about everyone will be suprised. We aren't talking about Todd Graham or Rich Rodriguez here, Doc is 100% class.


If he gets the job at florida, he will be gone before the bowl game. Those teams want the coach in place working. Not coaching a different team. And doc will be glad to for millions of dollars.

Now, do i think Doc leaves? Nope. Not yet. He needs 1 more season to prove himself to elite programs.
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Don't fool yourselves in the "the only job" a coach will take.

Any school in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC can afford to pay a coach enough to make most eat those words. When you are 57 years old and expected to go 12-0 and you still can't crack the top 25 schools in play for the 4 spots...

and a national championship is something you want...you know at least you have a shot at any school in a BCS conference. UL-L fans were saying...their coach would not take the Miss jib because you can't win a national championship at Miss. Well of course you can or at least have a fighting chance at one and maybe even with 1 loss.

Point is if a championship is something you want, and you are old, in coach years, there is no such thing as "the only job". That's even without considering the money. Again at 57 years old and if money is important to you...

not many people will turn down a 4 to 5 year guarantee of 2.5 to 5 million a year over a contract that most likely tops out at 1 million or very close to it. I know a lot of us will say we wouldn't give...so and so up for the money. But when it comes down to it most of us would give up our jobs and go to work for our hated rivals...

for 2, 3 or 4 times what we are earning. Not too many coaches are going to turn down that huge pay day and wait for...the "dream job" that might or might not come open.
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If he wants to leave and gets offered, so be it. He's done right by MU, been nothing but honorable, and has won. Not the best X's and O's coach as most know, but a great recruiter and has run a tight ship running off several really good players that have run afoul of his tenets. I'd wish him well wherever he went if that's what he wants, he's been one of the good guys that we've had be our HC. Plenty of other good up and comers available, just need to pick the right ones if it comes to that.
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RE: Marshalls Holiday
Doc is 58 years old. He and his family is happy to be home. I think he would leave for UF or WVU if they wanted to take a chance on him but someone outside of our program would look at his age and resume and probably pass. Not that I think he wouldn't do well in an SEC program,
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What's wrong with me that I never worry about his kind of stuff?
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If he were to leave this would be a good time. Isn't Cato graduating?
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Nope. None.
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(11-17-2014 02:51 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  Don't fool yourselves in the "the only job" a coach will take.

Any school in the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC can afford to pay a coach enough to make most eat those words. When you are 57 years old and expected to go 12-0 and you still can't crack the top 25 schools in play for the 4 spots...

Doc is a different breed and its exactly that way with him. Florida and a few other schools are the only jobs he would look at. Doc has been coaching since 1979 and has been at a total of 4 schools. And I don't think he would have ever left The Who if Rich Rod would have retained him in 2000. Doc doesn't jump at the 1st job that pays a lil more.

79-99 WVU
00-04 NC State
05-07 Florida
08-09 WVU
09-Present Marshall

Also Doc is 57 and still has his mom, who still lives in Hurricane WV, which is 25 mins away from Huntington. Marshall is the only DI school he can visit his mom and be back to work in the same day. Well he could do it at Ohio to but he isn't taking the Ohio job anytime soon.

If Florida would come and tap Doc as HC, Im sure most if not all would wish Doc well. The guy is nothing but class. A lot of Marshall fans until Thursday still had reservations on what kind of investment he had with Marshall. After watching the fountain ceremony and see him get emotional to the point of almost not being able to talk, I think those thoughts are all but gone.
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RE: Marshalls Holiday
Doc would leave for only a handful of jobs. This would be one of them. That said, if I were an AD I would wait an see what he does in 2015, after Cato and a few others leave - to see what kind of HC he is.

There is more of a realistic shot we lose our DC and/or OC after this season; maybe both.

Doc is indeed a rare breed. He is old school, more loyal than most and has a great life here. He is no job hopper like a Butch Jones, Brian Kelly or even Skip Holtz type guy. That is not his make up. jmo.
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Doc won't have the choice. Anytime a coach is plucked from the G5 to the P5 it is always before the bowl to get a handle on retaining thr committed recruits amd adding to them. No P5 is going to wait until the 2nd week of January for their new coach.

Doc will be 58 very soon, is from here, bought his family farm, amd from the looks of the fountain ceremony this past Friday he is very emotionally invested.

See Doc will not chase money. Doc was offerred sevwral HC positions prior to Marshall amd he turned them all down because he did not feel that thr exoectations were high enough and the dedication by the atheltic department was condusive to winning. He will not take a job unless it's better thsm Marshall. Situation a loner there are only one or two that fit thst bill.

I look at it like this. At least this is how I am calming my nerves about him getting poached. Doc is 58 years old. Let's say after we go 14-0 and some big schools come after him. Whatever school it is they is a reason they are in the market for a new coach. It won't be a lateral move so he won't be replacing a coach that just moved up and on. Whatever P5 school comes calling with seven figure, multi-year contract will most certainly be needing someone to ressurect and rebuild their program.
It takes 3 seasons to see a new coach's mark on a football team and year 4 or 5 before it is actually a full go. Look at us. Year three we started to see it, last season the results started, and this season we are at full go.

That means Doc will be 63 years old by time he has it humming. That is pretty close to retirement. And who's to say that the job he takes can be turned around. Keep in mind the next move has to be a desination job because it will be Doc's last move because of age. He has to make the leap or it really isn't worth it.

Here are some of the jobs that may be open at the end of the season in the P5.

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Vanderbilt could eb a possibility. They are 3-7 and look a far cry from where they were just a year ago. Does Doc really want to coach at Vandy?

Florida - This is one job I could see Doc going to and I have read his name come up as a candidate that has been brought to the table. I am just hoping he is far enough down their list he never gets contacted

Arkansas - This is a real possibility of becoming vacant. Since taking over Brett Bielema is 7-14 overall and 1-13 in SEC play. His wins have come against ULL, Samford, and S.Miss in 2013 and Nichols State, Texas Tech, NIU, UAB, and LSU so far this season. So far he has but two wins over a P5 school and with Ole Miss, and Missouri left on his schedule. If I were Doc there is absolutely no way I take this job. Not with what he has here. It is hard to win at Arkansas and you are in the SEC West Division. Houston Nutt would tell Doc to HANG UP THE PHONE AND RUN!

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Virginia Tech - Could the Beamer Ball era really be dead. Some think so. AT 5-5 and last in the coastal division he could be out. Although I do not see Frank getting fired. He will most likely dictate his exit. While I think Doc would be tempted to take this job reason dictates that long time DC Bud Foster would probably get first crack.

UVA - 5th Year coach Mike London is 22-37 overall and currently 4-6. He could be shown the door but I do not think this is a job that Doc would leave us for.

Pitt - Paul Chryst is 17-18 as the three year head coach for the Panthers. So far this year the Panthers are 4-6
With Syracuse, and Miami left to get to 6 wins it is possible he makes a bowl and any potential for the unemployment line avoided.

Wake Forest - Dave Clawson is 2-8 in just his first season. Rumor before the CUSA Champinoship game was they were considering Doc but that rumored died with our claim to the conference title. Even if by chance this job came open it isn't a good job to leave Marshall for.

Syracuse - Scott Shafer is in just his second year as the Orangmen (I DON"T CARE ABOUT BEING PC) head coach and so far is 10-13. Last season he was 7-6 and this season they are currently sitting at 3-7. Bowl hopes are gone but I don't think his hopes of being back next year are. Once again even if the job were open I don't see it being an issue for us.


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Michigan - I still do not know why Brady Hoke still has a job. The AD just stepped down a week or two ago so you know that Hoke's clock is ticking. The new AD will want his guy. Especially when the current one is not good. Hoke is 78-68 at the winningest or what was the winningest progam in NCAA history. His final records have been 11-2, 8-5, 7-6, and 5-5 so far this season. Michigan has 6-3 Maryland and conference leading Ohio State left on the schedule. If you watched last weeks game there is a real possibility he drops both and finished 5-7. It is Michigan but as Rich Rod might tell Doc, if you aren't a Michigan Man then keep your resume updated.

Indiana - Fouth year coach Kevin Wilson is 13-33 while at the helm for the Hoosiers. They currently have a record of 3-7 with Ohio State, and Purdue left on the schedule. Not enough wins left to get to bowl eligibility because they are not beating tOSU. His days are most certainly done. Not a job you leave Marshall for. Not this Marshall team. Indiana isn't really a desination job so why make the move?

Northwestern - Pat Fitzgerald has been the head man since 2006. He is 59-52 overall with is best seasons coming in 2008 where he finshed 9-3, 2009 where he finished 8-5, 2010 where he finihsed 7-6, and 2012 where he finshed 10-3 and won the Gator Bowl. All the other seasons have been losing efforts with prime chances of knocking off the big boys but always finding a way to fall short. He could be out but is Northwestern a desination job?

Illinois - Tim Beckman is in his third season as the Illini HC and is 10-23. Sitting at 4-6 with PSU, and Purdue left while possible they get to 6-6 it isn't likely. Illinois is not a good job. Do not see Doc taking it.

Purdue - Darrell Hazell is finishing up his second year as the Boilermaker HC. He is 4-18 to this point. Sitting at 3-7 with Northwestern and Illinois left even if he wins out he is guaranteed another losing season. Not a good job to leave Marshall for.

Big XII
Kansas - As we know this job is open. I don't have to go into any specifics here for you to know this is not a job that Doc would take.

Iowa State - After 6 seasons are the Cyclones done with Paul Rhodes at the helm? He is 29-43 as a HC for the Cyclones with only one winning season and a 1-2 bowl record. Hasn't been much talk about him possibly getting fired but even if he did this is not a job for Doc to take.

WVU - This has always been a possibility. Whether Dana Horsewoman left for a bigger job or gets fired as it looked like last season. With the financial commitment they have with Coach Dude and getting back a 7-6 record there isn't anyway possible he is let go after this season. From what I had heard he was guaranteed up to next season regardless of this season's outcome.

Pac-12
Colorado - The buffalos are sitting at 2-8 and 2nd year HC Mike McIntyre is 6-16 overall and 1-15 in Pac-12 play. It's a possibilyt he gets fired but I don't see doc leaving Marshall to go all the way to Colorado for this job.

Washington St - Mike Leach is 12-23 since taking over 3 years ago. Not sure if they would fire him just yet even though they are sitting at 3-7. Not a good job anyways.


So as you can see by looking at these jobs I don't see any being that attractive outside of Florida, Virginia Tech, and Michigan. I can guarantee that Doc is not on the Wolverine's short list and not sure that Muschamp is out now and even so how far down the list is Doc of their potential candidates. They will be looking for the homerun hire first and foremost. Rumor a few weeks ago was they would try to entice Steve Spurrier back home.

I don't see Doc going out west unless Oklahoma comes calling as Stoops is rumored to have worn out his welcome with his first consecutive home losses and the last one being an absolute curb stomping at the hand of team that had never won in Norman.

Unless Doc is all about the money I do not see him leaving us this season. The only people that we truly need to be worried about leaving are Coach Legg and coach Heater. Legg has been interviewing since 2012 and after the job Heater has done here and is pedigree his name will be on a lot of short lists.
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WVU would need a new AD before Doc would go there. Doc and Luck do not see eye to eye. And if the 2nd part of Doc's buyout hasn't changed from WVU then I don't think they would even try and pay his ransom.
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Doc isn't going anywhere.
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(11-17-2014 08:59 AM)Stick4489 Wrote:  What's wrong with me that I never worry about his kind of stuff?

I don't either. I hope he gets a huge contract at national power. (A real power not an ESPN named "power" 5) I hope he ends up with enough mo ey to take care of his family for generations to come.

I'll worry about our next coach if we are out into that spot. Until then GO HERD & BEAT UAB!
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How about West Virginia state retirement full benefits ?

How many years does he have left to reach it, since he was at WVU so long.
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(11-17-2014 06:16 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  How about West Virginia state retirement full benefits ?

How many years does he have left to reach it, since he was at WVU so long.

He coached at The Who from 79-99 and 08-09 and Marshall from 09-present. That's 21 years at the Who and 5 years at Marshall.
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