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RE: Thank You E-Mails & Texts to Alger, Bourne and Withers
(11-16-2014 07:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:49 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:41 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
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(11-16-2014 07:02 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I spent some time sending a few e-mails today to Alger, Bourne and Withers to thank them for making JMU Football successful in 2014. I also used the e-mails to Alger and Bourne to pitch a move to FBS and to let them know how good the purple chrome helmets looked on national TV. I thanked Withers for his leadership and the leadership of his staff in the 11 months they have been at JMU.

We don't hestiate to complain when things don't go well so we should also be quick to compliment when something is done really well. I encourage you to reach out with some positive words.

Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

I don't think it was gold underneath, but didn't get the greatest look at it. Certainly didn't look like they painted over our old gold ones or anything, looked more yellowish or off white and flat. But the paint comes off of helmets sometimes, it happens and it happens at all levels. It happens in the NFL. How can you not love those helmets? The decals should be big, you don't want some small Duke Dog head that you can't see from far away.

They are not painted over helmets. They are new. The yellow underneath the chrome is like a primer.

Certain curmudgeons will disagree with you even though you are one of the group who funded it.

I don't mind the purple helmets at all. I, however, would like to see our gold helmets shine more. That matted finish just has no pop!
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RE: Thank You E-Mails & Texts to Alger, Bourne and Withers
(11-16-2014 07:52 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:02 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I spent some time sending a few e-mails today to Alger, Bourne and Withers to thank them for making JMU Football successful in 2014. I also used the e-mails to Alger and Bourne to pitch a move to FBS and to let them know how good the purple chrome helmets looked on national TV. I thanked Withers for his leadership and the leadership of his staff in the 11 months they have been at JMU.

We don't hestiate to complain when things don't go well so we should also be quick to compliment when something is done really well. I encourage you to reach out with some positive words.

Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

Doesn't matter if you like it. Recruits do, and they're who were catering to.
No one is going to sign with a school based on their helmets..

No, it is an intangible that helps when recruiting kids. It helps to tip the scales a bit. If you think it doesn't help at all, then you're foolish. I would think most recruits make their decisions based on the whole package that a school offers.

And please don't trot out the tired "I don't want a recruit who care about uniforms" argument.

This.
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(11-16-2014 07:52 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:02 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I spent some time sending a few e-mails today to Alger, Bourne and Withers to thank them for making JMU Football successful in 2014. I also used the e-mails to Alger and Bourne to pitch a move to FBS and to let them know how good the purple chrome helmets looked on national TV. I thanked Withers for his leadership and the leadership of his staff in the 11 months they have been at JMU.

We don't hestiate to complain when things don't go well so we should also be quick to compliment when something is done really well. I encourage you to reach out with some positive words.

Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

Doesn't matter if you like it. Recruits do, and they're who were catering to.
No one is going to sign with a school based on their helmets..

No, it is an intangible that helps when recruiting kids. It helps to tip the scales a bit. If you think it doesn't help at all, then you're foolish. I would think most recruits make their decisions based on the whole package that a school offers.

And please don't trot out the tired "I don't want a recruit who care about uniforms" argument.

We've been through this before. If it helps at all then all these schools doing the elaborate uniform combos besides Oregon would be faring a lot better..
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RE: Thank You E-Mails & Texts to Alger, Bourne and Withers
(11-16-2014 07:52 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:02 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I spent some time sending a few e-mails today to Alger, Bourne and Withers to thank them for making JMU Football successful in 2014. I also used the e-mails to Alger and Bourne to pitch a move to FBS and to let them know how good the purple chrome helmets looked on national TV. I thanked Withers for his leadership and the leadership of his staff in the 11 months they have been at JMU.

We don't hestiate to complain when things don't go well so we should also be quick to compliment when something is done really well. I encourage you to reach out with some positive words.

Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

Doesn't matter if you like it. Recruits do, and they're who were catering to.
No one is going to sign with a school based on their helmets..

No, it is an intangible that helps when recruiting kids. It helps to tip the scales a bit. If you think it doesn't help at all, then you're foolish. I would think most recruits make their decisions based on the whole package that a school offers.

And please don't trot out the tired "I don't want a recruit who care about uniforms" argument.
Helmets are tangible, but new, chrome helmets and banging black uniforms are part of an overall perception that will help in recruiting. The perception is an intangible.
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(11-16-2014 07:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:02 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  I spent some time sending a few e-mails today to Alger, Bourne and Withers to thank them for making JMU Football successful in 2014. I also used the e-mails to Alger and Bourne to pitch a move to FBS and to let them know how good the purple chrome helmets looked on national TV. I thanked Withers for his leadership and the leadership of his staff in the 11 months they have been at JMU.

We don't hestiate to complain when things don't go well so we should also be quick to compliment when something is done really well. I encourage you to reach out with some positive words.

Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

Other than a move to 1A and and liking the new lids you and I agree on most stuff JMU football wise....
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(11-16-2014 07:33 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:26 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  8-3 is great. But this is still not a well coached team. I believe we are getting better, but offensive talent has kept us afloat. I was encouraged by our second half defensive showing against Richmond, but that's about all the credit I can give to our coaches on defense this year. Also Withers has had about as many head scratching play calls this year as Matthews has in recent years. I believe credit should be given to Withers for good recruiting. But not good coaching. We'll see if that changes as more time goes on. Thanks to Bourne and Alger. Uh, no thanks.

I saw a well coached team yesterday in all 3 phases. A team that gets better and better is a well coached team, no Ifs ands or buts.

I was thinking to myself that someone is likely to make a run at Drew Mehringer after the job he has done with Vad and the passing game. The most valuable part of coaching (especially in college) happens before game day.
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HH&C would certainly know about the helmets, I was at the game and I thought they looked awesome live (though I didn't like the white pants as much). Then I watched on TV, and they looked awesome there too. Mosely's helmet peeled, because obviously he was knocking heads around. I'm certain they weren't cheap. And if you don't think kids take into account uniforms, I can promise you that you're wrong. I talked to 2 recruits that were taking their visits the weekend we got those helmets, and they both mentioned the excitement. One of those kids committed, and while obviously a helmet wasn't THE factor his overall experience included that excitement and was A factor.

What other factors go into a decision over how well-coached we are, besides the obvious performance factors we witness on the field?

Are we winning? - check
Are we making halftime adjustments? - check
Are we executing on offense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check
Are we executing on defense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check

Anyone that talked to Withers last spring and summer had to hear him say that our defense would be risk/reward, we would give up yards and sometimes points but we would get the ball back in the hands of a dynamic offense one way or another. And, they've adjusted our defensive approach to account for some early mistakes which has made us better. On top of all of that, they've made major strides in the football culture in less than one full season and it shows on and off the field. What else do you want?

I went to all 3 games this weekend, both basketball games Friday and football Saturday, and I think Coach Brooks and Coach Withers have done a great job in their respective sports.
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(11-16-2014 07:39 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  You guys are right. But you have to admit those other two games were not 4 good quarters. Good adjustments in the second half, but we still had to play from behind. But you're right, I will give credit for making adjustments.

But let's be real. Matthews was fired because he took 9-3 talent and performed at about 6-6. This is where we are supposed to be. And it's been a roller coaster and a bit of luck getting us there. I'm not sending thank you emails over that.

Dude, we were 6 inches from beating Delaware and being on the verge of 10-2 (10-1 vs FCS), and probably ranked in or near the top ten. We're riding a six game winning streak, and I can promise you NOBODY wants to meet us in the playoffs right now.

Are there still holes? Of course, Is our defense where it needs to be in order for us to contend for championships? Probably not. But can you at least let yourself enjoy what has been a surprisingly good first season for Withers and company?

My question is where can we find another Vad for 2016?
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Good season, hopefully we get a good matchup in the playoffs to make a run. I'm not one to say thank you for a football season , but when I see them I'll say good job.

I don't get the feeling that their are people not totally satisfied with Withers and his staff. Only thing I can say is that I expected a lot more plays to be made on defense , other than that the offense has been improving week by week.
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[quote='JMUSteeler' pid='11389697' dateline='1416187166']
HH&C would certainly know about the helmets, I was at the game and I thought they looked awesome live (though I didn't like the white pants as much). Then I watched on TV, and they looked awesome there too. Mosely's helmet peeled, because obviously he was knocking heads around. I'm certain they weren't cheap. And if you don't think kids take into account uniforms, I can promise you that you're wrong. I talked to 2 recruits that were taking their visits the weekend we got those helmets, and they both mentioned the excitement. One of those kids committed, and while obviously a helmet wasn't THE factor his overall experience included that excitement and was A factor.

What other factors go into a decision over how well-coached we are, besides the obvious performance factors we witness on the field?

Are we winning? - check
Are we making halftime adjustments? - check
Are we executing on offense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check
Are we executing on defense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check

Anyone that talked to Withers last spring and summer had to hear him say that our defense would be risk/reward, we would give up yards and sometimes points but we would get the ball back in the hands of a dynamic offense one way or another. And, they've adjusted our defensive approach to account for some early mistakes which has made us better. On top of all of that, they've made major strides in the football culture in less than one full season and it shows on and off the field. What else do you want?

I went to all 3 games this weekend, both basketball games Friday and football Saturday, and I think Coach Brooks and Coach Withers have done a great job in their respective sports.
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I wouldn't say major strides , things are still the same in the JMU football world. I think word of mouth has spreaded some good " gossip" around.
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(11-16-2014 08:21 PM)91Alum Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:39 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  You guys are right. But you have to admit those other two games were not 4 good quarters. Good adjustments in the second half, but we still had to play from behind. But you're right, I will give credit for making adjustments.

But let's be real. Matthews was fired because he took 9-3 talent and performed at about 6-6. This is where we are supposed to be. And it's been a roller coaster and a bit of luck getting us there. I'm not sending thank you emails over that.

Dude, we were 6 inches from beating Delaware and being on the verge of 10-2 (10-1 vs FCS), and probably ranked in or near the top ten. We're riding a six game winning streak, and I can promise you NOBODY wants to meet us in the playoffs right now.

Are there still holes? Of course, Is our defense where it needs to be in order for us to contend for championships? Probably not. But can you at least let yourself enjoy what has been a surprisingly good first season for Withers and company?

My question is where can we find another Vad for 2016?

Sorry, dude. My whole point is that we are extremely talented. And our struggles in the first part of the season were do to sub par coaching. But if you read the other posts I have made on this thread, I give credit for the coaches making adjustments and getting better during this season. But your point about almost beating Delaware I could make about almost losing for more than one of our wins this season....
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(11-16-2014 07:43 PM)Sesandrews Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:33 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:26 PM)jmu@uva Wrote:  8-3 is great. But this is still not a well coached team. I believe we are getting better, but offensive talent has kept us afloat. I was encouraged by our second half defensive showing against Richmond, but that's about all the credit I can give to our coaches on defense this year. Also Withers has had about as many head scratching play calls this year as Matthews has in recent years. I believe credit should be given to Withers for good recruiting. But not good coaching. We'll see if that changes as more time goes on. Thanks to Bourne and Alger. Uh, no thanks.

I saw a well coached team yesterday in all 3 phases. A team that gets better and better is a well coached team, no Ifs ands or buts.

This +1

I'm excited as the next guy, but we still got issues that are concerning... 85 yds of penalties, snap issues, I'm scared everytime we try any kick (punt, kickoff, field goal), running game (abdullah must be on the dog house), need vad to tuck the ball after he takes off vs. one hand, d-line needs to find the balance bt all out pressure and run/gap/screen responsibilities... that's all! Fix some of those and go to Frisco!
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(11-16-2014 08:19 PM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  And if you don't think kids take into account uniforms, I can promise you that you're wrong. I talked to 2 recruits that were taking their visits the weekend we got those helmets, and they both mentioned the excitement. One of those kids committed, and while obviously a helmet wasn't THE factor his overall experience included that excitement and was A factor.

-The facilities (stadium, weight room, locker rooms, APC, etc, etc)
-The coaches
-The players
-The opponents/conference played in.
-The recent history (winning or losing)
-The school size
-The school location
-The school setting
-The student body makeup/demographics
-Academics
etc, etc, etc
Are all going to be more far more important than new unis..
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(11-16-2014 08:49 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 08:19 PM)JMUSteeler Wrote:  And if you don't think kids take into account uniforms, I can promise you that you're wrong. I talked to 2 recruits that were taking their visits the weekend we got those helmets, and they both mentioned the excitement. One of those kids committed, and while obviously a helmet wasn't THE factor his overall experience included that excitement and was A factor.

-The facilities (stadium, weight room, locker rooms, APC, etc, etc)
-The coaches
-The players
-The opponents/conference played in.
-The recent history (winning or losing)
-The school size
-The school location
-The school setting
-The student body makeup/demographics
-Academics
etc, etc, etc
Are all going to be more far more important than new unis..

Of course, but you keep taking this helmet/uniform thing too literally. I've seen everyone try to explain it to you forever, and I know you're not stupid so I'm not going to try again and waste my breath.
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Back on point. After a big win and a long winning streak, it is a great idea to let the team, coaches, AD, and administrator know it.
At 2 and 3, the coaches and team could have bought into the thought that it was a transitional rebuilding year. Not so.

While it was certainly mentioned that it was a young team (right or wrong), it was also an inexperienced coaching staff. It sure looks like the coaches have grown into their roles too.

It is important to use opportunities like this to make Bourne and Alger know that their fan base cares and wants athletics to be a strong component of the national engaged university they aspire to be.
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(11-16-2014 07:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:52 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:48 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:45 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(11-16-2014 07:38 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Yeah, the purple paint looked real good as it came right off revealing the gold underneath. Just looks cheap..
http://www.jmusports.com/galleries/?image=27813

And the decals are too big. Helmets looked like crap.

Doesn't matter if you like it. Recruits do, and they're who were catering to.
No one is going to sign with a school based on their helmets..

No, it is an intangible that helps when recruiting kids. It helps to tip the scales a bit. If you think it doesn't help at all, then you're foolish. I would think most recruits make their decisions based on the whole package that a school offers.

And please don't trot out the tired "I don't want a recruit who care about uniforms" argument.

We've been through this before. If it helps at all then all these schools doing the elaborate uniform combos besides Oregon would be faring a lot better..

BDK,

Give it a rest ok! It's not the arrow you fool , it's the Indian.

The Purple Helmets look awesome. Deal with it!


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I have been beyond impressed with the overall body of work put fourth by this coaching staff. Their have been mistakes, but the culture change they have pulled off is remarkable. They deserve a tremendous amount of credit.
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Great job by players , not easy getting a new coach with a different system and winning 8 games. JMU has had a winning for as long as i could remember , and it continues.
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Well done on the thank you emails! The team has continued to improve each week. I would say coaching has something to do with that. The bitching on these boards is amazing. We are on the verge of the playoffs which is a major step in the right direction. Go Dukes!!


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(11-16-2014 08:30 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  [quote='JMUSteeler' pid='11389697' dateline='1416187166']
HH&C would certainly know about the helmets, I was at the game and I thought they looked awesome live (though I didn't like the white pants as much). Then I watched on TV, and they looked awesome there too. Mosely's helmet peeled, because obviously he was knocking heads around. I'm certain they weren't cheap. And if you don't think kids take into account uniforms, I can promise you that you're wrong. I talked to 2 recruits that were taking their visits the weekend we got those helmets, and they both mentioned the excitement. One of those kids committed, and while obviously a helmet wasn't THE factor his overall experience included that excitement and was A factor.

What other factors go into a decision over how well-coached we are, besides the obvious performance factors we witness on the field?

Are we winning? - check
Are we making halftime adjustments? - check
Are we executing on offense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check
Are we executing on defense EXACTLY like we promised we would? - check

Anyone that talked to Withers last spring and summer had to hear him say that our defense would be risk/reward, we would give up yards and sometimes points but we would get the ball back in the hands of a dynamic offense one way or another. And, they've adjusted our defensive approach to account for some early mistakes which has made us better. On top of all of that, they've made major strides in the football culture in less than one full season and it shows on and off the field. What else do you want?

I went to all 3 games this weekend, both basketball games Friday and football Saturday, and I think Coach Brooks and Coach Withers have done a great job in their respective sports.
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I wouldn't say major strides , things are still the same in the JMU football world. I think word of mouth has spreaded some good " gossip" around.

Whether it has made a huge difference to the players, most of us will never know for sure. I can tell you that from the outside, JMU athletics has done a FANTASTIC job at marketing it as a huge change...and that's, well, probably the first time I have ever said JMU athletics has marketed something well. Between the suits, the grade improvement, the alumni coming to talk to the players, the halftime adjustments, no middle-school tantrums on the sidelines, the new uniforms, winning...from the outside it APPEARS that there has been a huge culture shift. And when it comes to bringing in extra dollars and putting butts in seats, that makes a HUGE difference. Winning will get most of that no matter what, but that extra little bit off the field helps make fans a little more loyal to the program and gives us something more to brag about.
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