(11-18-2014 02:40 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Did it matter when Kill left?

Our Freshmen QB may beat out Terrell next year.

Our 3rd string freshmen QB > Hareball

By the way, in a HS game with Dontell Highsmith, Jarred Klien, a back up guard for WMU had 31 points. Seth Dugan had 21 pts and 22 rebounds.....he was a sophomore. Dugan's team won 82-51.

Monty's a rising star Enjoy the beat downs

High School? come on now, that's weak...

(11-18-2014 02:47 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 02:40 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Did it matter when Kill left?

Our Freshmen QB may beat out Terrell next year.

Our 3rd string freshmen QB > Hareball

By the way, in a HS game with Dontell Highsmith, Jarred Klien, a back up guard for WMU had 31 points. Seth Dugan had 21 pts and 22 rebounds.....he was a sophomore. Dugan's team won 82-51.

Monty's a rising star Enjoy the beat downs

High School? come on now, that's weak...

I'm told Highsmith is the next MJ. Heck, if he'd have played you might have finished as high as third place

WMU beat NIU in basketball last year by 3 and 5pts. NIU Had the worst offense in the MAC, that's hardly a beat down. NIU,S big guy for next year, Marin is as good as Lamont or Dugan. It should be a interesting MAC season, in bball

(11-18-2014 02:40 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Did it matter when Kill left?

Our Freshmen QB may beat out Terrell next year.

Our 3rd string freshmen QB > Hareball

By the way, in a HS game with Dontell Highsmith, Jarred Klien, a back up guard for WMU had 31 points. Seth Dugan had 21 pts and 22 rebounds.....he was a sophomore. Dugan's team won 82-51.

Monty's a rising star Enjoy the beat downs

Your premise is that you have a young coach. It only matters if he stays for many years to come. And you're reaching on the basketball comparisons. Who cares what they did in high school with different teams? With Monty, we are in the same position as you are with Fleck. If he turns the program around he is gone. Just as Fleck has done with WMU, Monty has already started getting NIU better players and providing better coaching than we have had in a long time. Our bball team was at the bottom of the barrel. The main difference between Monty and Fleck is Monty isn't as much of an egotistical asshat as Fleck.

Quote:It was OC at NIU to WR coach for Tampa Bay Bucs.

Yes, you're right. Still though -- WR coach at Tampa Bay? OC at your alumni place -- that you know you'll move up quite soon up the chain -- yet bolt like that? Obvious head-butting if leaving after 1 day for a lesser job -- even at Tampa Bay vs Rutgers.

Quote:More than likely it was some conflict with Doeren that motivated PJ to leave after 1 day. Whether it was a difference of opinion on offensive systems that they wanted to run (the one PJ runs at WMU is much different than the one NIU ran the year before and the one that they ran under Carey), or a personality conflict between the two, we'll likely never know.

You're probably right. And it getting off on a wrong foot, and having that offer prior, he probably jumped ship toward it. And when a MAC offer came to him not too long later, he wanted to take a stab at that to make up for leaving what his original goal was, to get back on track.

Quote:I don't even think WMU is all that good, but its a down year for the MAC and a window of opportunity for them, as this year they are pretty clearly the best team. They better win it this year though.

Based on what they've demonstrated so far (knock on wood) -- they Are good. I wasn't convinced after some games. I'm an objective guy. I even bet against them in the BGSU game and lost.

But yeah, the MAC *is* having a down year. Saying they are the best isn't worth truckloads of gold -- no. However, with such solid robust wins -- it says "IF the MAC was having a decent year this year, they'd be in the running at this point. They wouldn't be crushing or winning so solidly against the teams, but winning by 3-10pts."

Quote: I agree, their window of opportunity is small, assuming PJ will be there at WM for a little while longer.

He will be. Next year our schedule is BRUTAL. We'll be very lucky to be 7-5 next year (Michigan State, @Ohio State, @GA-Southern [a new top mid-major], @NIU, @Toledo).

However, our team will be better. I think the key is keeping our OCs & DCs. After a 1-11 year, PJ's not going anywhere. And next year will make him stick unless we make another "jump" that's on the same level, into next year (I doubt that and expect none of that). In 2016 though, with @Illinois and @Northwestern (yes, *us* WMU, not you guys. Play Illini will ya??) -- and GA-Southern at HOME with many of our players matured -- that should be the WMU year. I think AFTER THAT is when Fleck would be leaving...

... assuming of course he doesn't get caught up with OCs/DCs leaving beforehand and stumbling. Us WMU fans have to remind ourselves -- we're not solidified yet. PJ has shown great sweetness in making us a MAC contender -- but he has a ways to go before we Expect it every year and that his very few years are limited. But I'm enjoying it now.

Not sure how this can be argued.

$350k > $100-$125k
and
Coaching a position in the NFL > being a OC at a non-AQ school

This whole thread reeks of the ugly chick who just got some fake tits and is all over facebook and in the bars parading around "look at me, look at me!"

(11-18-2014 03:23 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  This whole thread reeks of the ugly chick who just got some fake tits and is all over facebook and in the bars parading around "look at me, look at me!"

Pretty close actually! Beat Ohio, worry about gang-dome style next.

Quote:$350k > $100-$125k
and
Coaching a position in the NFL > being a OC at a non-AQ school

WR Coach bad team NFL (is not greater than) OC at power-G5, your alumni + pathway to be HC soon after

Being OC at EMU vs in-bred OC at NIU on way to be in-bred HC -- big difference.

And his written-down life goal was to be the youngest HC in college football. Only three things would make sense to me:

(a) He's broke and needed money NOW so he ran to be a mere WR coach in NFL where more $ is (LOW possibility)

(b) He was scared of the big responsibility of being OC of his own University, and felt he needed more experience on the sidelines in general so he bolted (LOW possibility)

© Him and HC butted heads, it wasn't going to go right; he's finicky, and it just felt more comfortable to go to Tampa and hey, more $, so he figured why not -- that's another stepping stone to college coaching anyway and he'll get back to MACtion later but burn bridges in NIU (Higher than the others)

This is becoming as stupid as the "Doeren should have stayed for a couple more years" thread.

(11-18-2014 03:33 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  This is becoming as stupid as the "Doeren should have stayed for a couple more years" thread.

Seriously, this thread is god awful.

(11-18-2014 02:53 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  WMU beat NIU in basketball last year by 3 and 5pts. NIU Had the worst offense in the MAC, that's hardly a beat down. NIU,S big guy for next year, Marin is as good as Lamont or Dugan. It should be a interesting MAC season, in bball

Marin is as good as Lamont or Dugan

Dugan is so bad that Monty brought him in and tried to pitch him on a two for one. If Dugan would come he'd offer one of his BFFs.

How bout Deing, he's 7 feet, long, was an AAU stud. Rehabbing a wrist, will be back in two weeks.

Lamont will start this year and will move to PF next year. Reload, reload, reload. Same Ol same Ol, us and UT with Monty always talking about what could be.

Also in this class is 6'5" shooting guard Josh Davis. He's the leading candidate for Detroit PSL POY. Freshmen PG Thomas Wilder may see more time at PG than 3 year starter Austin Richie.

2015
Center Dugan, Deing, both 7 feet
PF, Tave (All MAC), Lamont 6'10"
WF, Hammond, 6'6", All MAC Tourney team as a freshmen
SG, Josh Davis, 6'5"
PG, 6'2" Thomas Wilder

And then we'll have Monty playing in your gorgeous empty arena, battling CMU to see who stays out of the cellar. But at least we can hear Mike Reaghi telling us about Monty's, Izzo connection, and how any day now it will pay off.


Defending MAC Champs. Have won or shared the MAC West title 8 times since The MAC went to two divisions. Nobody else is even close.

Bronco fans are starting sound like Toledo fans.

(11-18-2014 04:39 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 02:53 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  WMU beat NIU in basketball last year by 3 and 5pts. NIU Had the worst offense in the MAC, that's hardly a beat down. NIU,S big guy for next year, Marin is as good as Lamont or Dugan. It should be a interesting MAC season, in bball

Marin is as good as Lamont or Dugan

Dugan is so bad that Monty brought him in and tried to pitch him on a two for one. If Dugan would come he'd offer

How bout Deing, he's 7 feet, long, was an AAU stud. Rehabbing a wrist, will be back in two weeks.

Lamont will start this year and will move to PF next year. Reload, reload, reload. Same Ol same Ol, us and UT with Monty always talking about what could be.

Also in this class is 6'5" shooting guard Josh Davis. He's the leading candidate for Detroit PSL POY. Freshmen PG Thomas Wilder may see more time at PG than 3 year starter Austin Richie.

2015
Center Dugan, Deing, both 7 feet
PF, Tave (All MAC), Lamont 6'10"
WF, Hammond, 6'6", All MAC Tourney team as a freshmen
SG, Josh Davis, 6'5"
PG, 6'2" Thomas Wilder

And then we'll have Monty playing in your gorgeous empty arena, battling CMU to see who stays out of the cellar. But at least we can hear Mike Reaghi telling us about Monty's, Izzo connection, and how any day now it will pay off.


Defending MAC Champs. Have won or shared the MAC West title 8 times since The MAC went to two divisions. Nobody else is even close.

DDOOOONNNNN'TTTT CCCCAAARRREEEEEE...
GO HUSKIES

(11-18-2014 03:23 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  This whole thread reeks of the ugly chick who just got some fake tits and is all over facebook and in the bars parading around "look at me, look at me!"

Can we not talk about 7s last girlfriend.

(11-18-2014 04:43 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 03:23 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  This whole thread reeks of the ugly chick who just got some fake tits and is all over facebook and in the bars parading around "look at me, look at me!"

Can we not talk about 7s last girlfriend.

You won't hear me say anything good about my ex...lol.

(11-18-2014 04:43 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(11-18-2014 03:23 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  This whole thread reeks of the ugly chick who just got some fake tits and is all over facebook and in the bars parading around "look at me, look at me!"

Can we not talk about 7s last girlfriend.

To be fair, fake t!ts help make ugly chicks look better, and very possibly go from ugly->OK.

It's kind of like having a team with a really bad QB (the face) end up getting a great RB (the body). Hey, better than a flat chest, right? I think Diesel would high-five to that...

(11-18-2014 04:39 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  Bronco fans are starting sound like Toledo fans.

Except they've accomplished even less.

so if WMU wins out, does that mean PJ heads for greener pastures, or is he gonna stay put for another season?

Quote:so if WMU wins out, does that mean PJ heads for greener pastures, or is he gonna stay put for another season?

I see the only way PJ going elsewhere (although he did bolt NIU for a lesser job in the dream of being a HC) at the end of this season would be if WMU wins out *AND* Toledo loses to BGSU... then WMU winning out would mean beating BGSU again, winning the MAC + winning a bowl against a formidable opponent, and going 11-3.

I am *NOT* banking on that all happening at all. But if that fantasy were to happen, depending on the amount of hiring openings and his decision making processes -- he very well could go to Illinois? I think he'd want to because he knows he ironically wouldn't ever have to play NIU - lol.

90% chance he stays even if WMU wins the rest of their regular season games. He went 1-11 last year, and it's his first stint at anything being more than WR coach, with not too much coaching experience on that level too. So he'd need to bring WOWs -- not just Most Improved in a down year in the MAC post-rookie-year that was Real Bad, given his lack of history.

Next year is going to be brutal, so there's a HIGH chance he won't be leaving after next year. At the end of 2016, we may be Real good -- with our OOC being Northwestern & Illinois, along with NIU and Toledo at home. If he keeps doing what he's doing -- he'll be hired away at the end of that season.