Just thinking about Coach Doeren and his career. Did he make the right choice in leaving after two years? Sure, he got more money but for how long? Did he have enough head coaching experience? Should he have waited a few years and sought more high profile job?

If he stayed with the Huskies, his career would be much safer. He'd almost certainly have at least two more winning seasons (12-2 in 2013 and already won 8 games in 2014) as the team continues to win under Coach Carey (Note: I realize that Coach Doeren's teams may not have the same record as Coach Carey, but the likelihood of continuing to win is high in my opinion.

Did I mention the Orange Bowl? This type of bowl game is something he may never achieve.

Here are the records of the prior N.C. State coaches.


1976–79 - Bo Rein-------------15–08–00 - 27–18–01 .637
1980–82 - Monte Kiffin--------08–10–00 - 16–17–00 .485
1983–85 - Tom Reed----------04–17–00 - 09–24–00 .273
1986–92 - Dick Sheridan------31–18–01 - 52–29–03 .637
1993–99 - Mike O'Cain--------26–30–00 - 41–40–00 .506
2000–06 - Chuck Amato------25–31–00 - 49–37–00 .570
2007–12 - Tom O'Brien-------18–22–00 - 33–30–00 .524
2013- ** - Dave Doeren-------04-08-00 - 07-09-00 .438

How many years does Coach Doeren have to prove himself at N.C. State?

Would you have stayed with the Huskies?

It's a crap shoot. When you're a hot coach you have to take advantage and move on. Look at Brady Hoke. You think he wishes he was still at Ball State. Gene Chizk is a commentator now. Sold his soul with Cam Newton and then flamed out. It's a hell of a racket. When you get a chance to cash some checks you HAVE to do it. Put some money away and then if you do crash and burn get an assistant job with one of your old buddies and try again. This is also why you have to cheat to keep your job. Hugh Freeze is probably in way over his head as the Ole Miss coach. Turn the boosters loose and throw a bunch of money at some top recruits coming out and ride that bull until it throws you off. Hell, you know the NCAA has absolutely no creditability left. They aren't going to do a damn thing. Put all your chips in and see what happens.

NICO gets it: $3,500,000 reasons NOT to stay...would take a decade in dekalb to make that coin....and catch lightning in a bottle (Harnish/Lynch guy) and his coin moves to $10,000,000 real quickly. Beside, like us, he didn't really know if he could recruit either so better strike while the iron is hot.

If his boys can beat a bad Wake Forest team at home today, he'll be bowl bound (and get all of those extra practices) in a year where his team has clearly shown progress. Not sure if it will work out long term, but it's not a total disaster and he is getting paid like a king. I think he made the right call.

On the other end is Pete Lembo. If Ball State wins against NIU last year wasn't he supposed to get the UCONN job. NIU wins goes to Detroit, Pete is stuck in Muncie with a depleted squad, can't win, most likely won't win for another couple of years. Meantime his wife is sick of Muncie, tired of having to drive to Indy to get her hair and nails done, and is climbing all over his frame asking "how come we're stuck in Muncie when we could be a hop skip and jump from NYC". I'll bet that makes for some fun dinner conversation during the summer when it's about 93 in the shade. People who get into coaching to climb the ladder better be prepared from some bumpy roads.

(11-15-2014 11:28 AM)niuco90 Wrote:  On the other end is Pete Lembo. If Ball State wins against NIU last year wasn't he supposed to get the UCONN job. NIU wins goes to Detroit, Pete is stuck in Muncie with a depleted squad, can't win, most likely won't win for another couple of years. Meantime his wife is sick of Muncie, tired of having to drive to Indy to get her hair and nails done, and is climbing all over his frame asking "how come we're stuck in Muncie when we could be a hop skip and jump from NYC". I'll bet that makes for some fun dinner conversation during the summer when it's about 93 in the shade. People who get into coaching to climb the ladder better be prepared from some bumpy roads.

This is a great point. While I think NIU would still be doing great with Doeren as they largely have since he left, Lembo is the textbook example of what can happen if you don't move up when you have the chance.

$$$$$ What was the question? $$$$$

MAC coaching salaries have improved, they are no where near a P5 salary but some day there will be an excellent MAC HC who likes living in a small town and believes that they can eek out a living on $300K to $400K.

Solich has stayed at Ohio for ten years now but he was older when he took the job. I wonder if the only way to get someone to stay is to hire an outstanding older coach. The stepping stone vs graveyard strategy is interesting. Either could work in the right circumstance. Coach Novak was the right coach at the right time to turn our program around. Once he built the foundation, coaches Kill, Doeren and Carey have probably taken it up a notch and maybe beyond what coach Joe could have achieved primarily due to their recruiting connections outside of Illinois.

I hope that coach Carey stays long enough to see what success he can have on the field with his recruits. It is a damm shame that there is so much money floating around the system. I live in Columbus, Ohio where Woody Hayes is a legend. Although his career ended badly he was an interesting guy. He turned down raises late in his career because he considered himself to be a teacher and did not want to make a multiple of what an average college professor made at the time.

(11-15-2014 11:34 AM)NIUHuskies86 Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 11:28 AM)niuco90 Wrote:  On the other end is Pete Lembo. If Ball State wins against NIU last year wasn't he supposed to get the UCONN job. NIU wins goes to Detroit, Pete is stuck in Muncie with a depleted squad, can't win, most likely won't win for another couple of years. Meantime his wife is sick of Muncie, tired of having to drive to Indy to get her hair and nails done, and is climbing all over his frame asking "how come we're stuck in Muncie when we could be a hop skip and jump from NYC". I'll bet that makes for some fun dinner conversation during the summer when it's about 93 in the shade. People who get into coaching to climb the ladder better be prepared from some bumpy roads.

This is a great point. While I think NIU would still be doing great with Doeren as they largely have since he left, Lembo is the textbook example of what can happen if you don't move up when you have the chance.

So, Lembo lost the UConn job by losing to the Jordan Lynch TurboDeathMachine, and then Dave Clawson became the flavor of the month by taking advantage of us sh*tting down our leg in Detroit* and grabbed the WF job out from under him.

He must hate NIU.

*No football team ever got a bigger rub from one win than BG got from kicking our ass in Detroit last year. Other than that win (which they wholly deserved) they've basically been 2104 NIU for the last 2 years.

(11-15-2014 11:54 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  $$$$$ What was the question? $$$$$

Yup. If any of us were given that much of a raise to take a job that you would be less successful in, the money would make you go regardless.

(11-15-2014 12:17 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 11:54 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  $$$$$ What was the question? $$$$$

Yup. If any of us were given that much of a raise to take a job that you would be less successful in, the money would make you go regardless.

And even if he doesn't "succeed" at NC State, he will easily fall back into an NIU-level contract $$ when it's over. Or better.

(11-15-2014 10:21 AM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  Just thinking about Coach Doeren and his career. Did he make the right choice in leaving after two years? Sure, he got more money but for how long? Did he have enough head coaching experience? Should he have waited a few years and sought more high profile job?

If he stayed with the Huskies, his career would be much safer. He'd almost certainly have at least two more winning seasons (12-2 in 2013 and already won 8 games in 2014) as the team continues to win under Coach Carey (Note: I realize that Coach Doeren's teams may not have the same record as Coach Carey, but the likelihood of continuing to win is high in my opinion.

Did I mention the Orange Bowl? This type of bowl game is something he may never achieve.

Here are the records of the prior N.C. State coaches.


1976–79 - Bo Rein-------------15–08–00 - 27–18–01 .637
1980–82 - Monte Kiffin--------08–10–00 - 16–17–00 .485
1983–85 - Tom Reed----------04–17–00 - 09–24–00 .273
1986–92 - Dick Sheridan------31–18–01 - 52–29–03 .637
1993–99 - Mike O'Cain--------26–30–00 - 41–40–00 .506
2000–06 - Chuck Amato------25–31–00 - 49–37–00 .570
2007–12 - Tom O'Brien-------18–22–00 - 33–30–00 .524
2013- ** - Dave Doeren-------04-08-00 - 07-09-00 .438

How many years does Coach Doeren have to prove himself at N.C. State?

Would you have stayed with the Huskies?

I'm sure Doeren has quite a few regrets about taking the NC State job. That had to be tough, sitting in the stands at the Orange Bowl watching your team play the biggest game in school history - like sitting in a church pew watching your ex get married.

Had he have known Bielsma was going to bolt Wisconsin for pigland shortly thereafter, I suspect he would have turned the Wolfpack down. With his history in Madison, he would have been an ideal candidate for that job.

If that didn't pan out, he would have been back last season with a stocked NIU team and the Huskies would have had repeat BCS bowl appearances. That MAC championship debacle when Carey was exposed would not have occurred under Doeren's watch.

Tough to turn significant money down, can't blame him at all. Still, I think he was hasty and could have coached a BCS bowl and landed a cushier job had he not jumped at the Wolfpack offer.

You can be fine anywhere. About 10-11% of the USA population make over 100k yearly. The head ftball and bball coaches at NIU are in the top 1% of USA salaries. Pick the place that you are happiest because you are going to be rich beyond belief either way!. Example: Carey is making 8k a week. Montgomery is making 6k a week. Also what's important to one person isn't always as important to some one else.

Wouldn't be a thread without some Carey bashing.

(11-15-2014 01:01 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  You can be fine anywhere. About 10-11% of the USA population make over 100k yearly. The head ftball and bball coaches at NIU are in the top 1% of USA salaries. Pick the place that you are happiest because you are going to be rich beyond belief either way!. Example: Carey is making 8k a week. Montgomery is making 6k a week. Also what's important to one person isn't always as important to some one else.

I get what your saying, but there's a huge difference between Doreen's current salary vs old salary at NIU

(11-15-2014 01:07 PM)iaffhuskiebob Wrote:  Wouldn't be a thread without some Carey bashing.

Lol! Got that right, like adding cream to your coffee. Just makes it taste a little better

(11-15-2014 12:22 PM)spanky Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 12:17 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 11:54 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  $$$$$ What was the question? $$$$$

Yup. If any of us were given that much of a raise to take a job that you would be less successful in, the money would make you go regardless.

And even if he doesn't "succeed" at NC State, he will easily fall back into an NIU-level contract $$ when it's over. Or better.

There's no reason to turn down the money or the opportunity. He bet on himself and even if he gets fired (as coaches tend to be) he's got enough connections that he'll be able to get a coordinator job at a decent paying school rather easily.

He did exactly the right thing for him.

Iaffhuskiebob, who is bashing Carey? My point is you are doing pretty darn good being the coach at NIU! Doing what I love to do and getting 8k a week, I would feel like the richest person in the world. How much money is enough? Some one else is always going to be making more.

(11-15-2014 01:14 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Iaffhuskiebob, who is bashing Carey? My point is you are doing pretty darn good being the coach at NIU! Doing what I love to do and getting 8k a week, I would feel like the richest person in the world. How much money is enough? Some one else is always going to be making more.

It's not JUST the money. It's the chance to advance to the highest (or at least higher) echelon of your profession. He could, at least conceivably, win a national championship at NC State. He's almost surely not going to do that at NIU (again, not saying it will happen at NC State, just that it's more likely).

(11-15-2014 12:54 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-15-2014 10:21 AM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  Just thinking about Coach Doeren and his career. Did he make the right choice in leaving after two years? Sure, he got more money but for how long? Did he have enough head coaching experience? Should he have waited a few years and sought more high profile job?

If he stayed with the Huskies, his career would be much safer. He'd almost certainly have at least two more winning seasons (12-2 in 2013 and already won 8 games in 2014) as the team continues to win under Coach Carey (Note: I realize that Coach Doeren's teams may not have the same record as Coach Carey, but the likelihood of continuing to win is high in my opinion.

Did I mention the Orange Bowl? This type of bowl game is something he may never achieve.

Here are the records of the prior N.C. State coaches.


1976–79 - Bo Rein-------------15–08–00 - 27–18–01 .637
1980–82 - Monte Kiffin--------08–10–00 - 16–17–00 .485
1983–85 - Tom Reed----------04–17–00 - 09–24–00 .273
1986–92 - Dick Sheridan------31–18–01 - 52–29–03 .637
1993–99 - Mike O'Cain--------26–30–00 - 41–40–00 .506
2000–06 - Chuck Amato------25–31–00 - 49–37–00 .570
2007–12 - Tom O'Brien-------18–22–00 - 33–30–00 .524
2013- ** - Dave Doeren-------04-08-00 - 07-09-00 .438

How many years does Coach Doeren have to prove himself at N.C. State?

Would you have stayed with the Huskies?

I'm sure Doeren has quite a few regrets about taking the NC State job. That had to be tough, sitting in the stands at the Orange Bowl watching your team play the biggest game in school history - like sitting in a church pew watching your ex get married.

Had he have known Bielsma was going to bolt Wisconsin for pigland shortly thereafter, I suspect he would have turned the Wolfpack down. With his history in Madison, he would have been an ideal candidate for that job.

If that didn't pan out, he would have been back last season with a stocked NIU team and the Huskies would have had repeat BCS bowl appearances. That MAC championship debacle when Carey was exposed would not have occurred under Doeren's watch.

Tough to turn significant money down, can't blame him at all. Still, I think he was hasty and could have coached a BCS bowl and landed a cushier job had he not jumped at the Wolfpack offer.

Yeah, I'm sure Dave has 1.8 million regrets coaching in a better conference in a MUCH better climate.

You think he gave one rats ass what was happening at Wisconsin when NC State was fanning him with that money? Hasty?! Ha!