(12-30-2014 03:06 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The end justified the means. That's the thought process. I'm actually surprised by the surprise. Gruber was caught being honest. Anyone with half a brain could see it. Hell Helen Keller saw it from a mile away. I actually think threads like these prove Gilbert right.

But here's the thing. We knew they were telling lies back then. We pointed it out repeatedly during the discussion. Oh, no, you don't know what you are talking about, you all told us. Now it's lies, and we knew it all along.

By the way, just to be clear, I'm not accusing you or other posters on here of lying yourselves. You were just passing along what your spin masters were telling you. It's not LYING unless you KNOW it to be false. We did, you didn't, because you so wanted to believe.

Give you a hint--This isn't the last lie about this thing to surface, not by a long shot.

What exactly did they lie about and which of those lies was a complete surprise to you?

See I think the true blue base Democrat wanted single payer paid for by a national tax. We got what we could pass.

(12-30-2014 06:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What exactly did they lie about and which of those lies was a complete surprise to you?

What did they lie about? Pretty much everything, and have pretty much continued to do so.

Which lies surprised me? None of them. Consider the sources.

(12-30-2014 08:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 06:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What exactly did they lie about and which of those lies was a complete surprise to you?

What did they lie about? Pretty much everything, and have pretty much continued to do so.

Which lies surprised me? None of them. Consider the sources.

Can you be more specific?

(12-30-2014 06:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What exactly did they lie about and which of those lies was a complete surprise to you?

"We have to pass this to find out what is in it."

The whole mandate thing not being a tax. Heck the Supreme Court even called it a tax. That was a political ploy that some would characterize as a white lie and they would be right.

(12-30-2014 09:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 08:56 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 06:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What exactly did they lie about and which of those lies was a complete surprise to you?

What did they lie about? Pretty much everything, and have pretty much continued to do so.

Which lies surprised me? None of them. Consider the sources.

Can you be more specific?

Google doesn't work for you?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=obamacare+lies

Boys. Give me one honest politicians! Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the closest you can find and both of them would unelectable in any type of general campaign. My goodness man. Why in the heck are we surprised by this?

When Ron Paul was asked about legalizing heroin and he said of course. That's a gentleman who didn't compromise his beliefs. Denny Kucinuch would get his titty in a wringer every other week because he wouldn't compromise his beliefs either.

(12-30-2014 10:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys. Give me one honest politicians! Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the closest you can find and both of them would unelectable in any type of general campaign. My goodness man. Why in the heck are we surprised by this?

No surprise here.

(12-30-2014 10:44 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys. Give me one honest politician! Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are the closest you can find and both of them would unelectable in any type of general campaign. My goodness man. Why in the heck are we surprised by this?

No surprise here.

I have included some appropriate entertainment for the thread.


Enjoy

Ruh Roh

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/...ffordable/

Here's the thread Tom.

(12-31-2014 04:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Here's the thread Tom.

He isn't going to respond. He's in complete, 100% denial that anything like this can be remotely true.

(12-30-2014 11:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I have included some appropriate entertainment for the thread.


Enjoy

Good ole Hippie Tune from the sixties. They should be gone with the wind.