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RE: Appears AAC first G5 knocked out of Access Bowl shot
Could be...but very different as to who advocated that all G5 are created equal.1-2 win/loss could make a difference.
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(11-14-2014 07:25 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Could be...but very different as to who advocated that all G5 are created equal 2-3 win/loss could make a difference.
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Wait, what? Sorry :/
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(11-14-2014 05:53 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(11-14-2014 11:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  Well Rice would be the hottest team with 10 straight wins if they win out. 2 of their 3 losses are to currently ranked teams.
Rice would be interesting. Think that ODU loss would be an absolute killer.

We played Rice and Marshall at home (saw both up close and personal) and 'Rice aint no Marshall'.
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RE: Appears AAC first G5 knocked out of Access Bowl shot
Marshall's SOS is weak but they have dominated opponents. That said I believe a 1 loss Colorado State deserves the bid over an undefeated Marshall. If course CoSt needs Boise to slip up(utah st?).

If Marshall loses one and NIU and Boise win out it goes to Boise, unless NW and ARK win out(very possible) as well, then it gets very tricky.

Boise really does not have a signature OOC win and lost to OleMiss by 22.
NIU beat NW and lost to Ark by 38.
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Since I expect Marshall to stay undefeated, they will get the bowl spot. It is whomever is the highest ranked team in the G5 and that will continue to be the undefeated Marshall team. Even with one loss, I think Marshall might still be the top ranked team in the G5.
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(11-17-2014 01:12 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  Since I expect Marshall to stay undefeated, they will get the bowl spot. It is whomever is the highest ranked team in the G5 and that will continue to be the undefeated Marshall team. Even with one loss, I think Marshall might still be the top ranked team in the G5.

Then how come the Selection Committee has Oregon ranked ahead of FSU right now...?
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(11-17-2014 01:15 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(11-17-2014 01:12 PM)wimsmatthew Wrote:  Since I expect Marshall to stay undefeated, they will get the bowl spot. It is whomever is the highest ranked team in the G5 and that will continue to be the undefeated Marshall team. Even with one loss, I think Marshall might still be the top ranked team in the G5.

Then how come the Selection Committee has Oregon ranked ahead of FSU right now...?

Considering that Miss St is ranked so high with only one quality win at this point, I'm not even sure we can put it all on SOS.
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1 quality win is 1 more than what FSU has. FSU's resume is not that good. The only thing that stands out for FSU is the 0. Everything else is very questionable.
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(11-17-2014 01:15 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Then how come the Selection Committee has Oregon ranked ahead of FSU right now...?

I'm not sure why anyone is concerned with how the top 4 are ranked? If the committee wants to make a statement, they need to place an undefeated P5 outside the top 4.

When that happens, it will strengthen the whole "SOS" debate. I wouldn't hold my breath...
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(11-17-2014 02:55 PM)wleakr Wrote:  
(11-17-2014 01:15 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Then how come the Selection Committee has Oregon ranked ahead of FSU right now...?

I'm not sure why anyone is concerned with how the top 4 are ranked? If the committee wants to make a statement, they need to place an undefeated P5 outside the top 4.

When that happens, it will strengthen the whole "SOS" debate. I wouldn't hold my breath...

I dunno. An undefeated P5 at #4 behind 3 1 loss teams would speak volumes as well.
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(11-17-2014 02:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  1 quality win is 1 more than what FSU has. FSU's resume is not that good. The only thing that stands out for FSU is the 0. Everything else is very questionable.

The finny thing is your entire basis for making this statement (and subsequent ones) was to prove your original hypothesis correct.

The reason I said even the SOS doesn't hold water is the only way that would hodl water would be for Miss St's opponents to be judged at the time of play, and FSU's to be judged as of today. Otherwise their SOS is at worst the same. Miss ST played UAB, Southern Miss, Tenn Martin, and South Alabama OOC. FSU played Oklahoma St, Notre Dame, and Florida OOC. 11 P5 schools to 8. 3 previously ranked schools to 4 (current ranked is 1 combined). Using the very points you made about ECU and their OOC, you can't possibly hold the same truth in your heart about MSU's schedule.

FSU was marked down not by their schedule as much as barely winning several games, and winning ugly.
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What are each schools top wins? Not at time of play but right now?

Florida St? 3 loss Notre Dame(with no quality wins). 3 Loss Clemson? 3 loss Louisville?
Miss St? 3 loss Auburn(with wins over Ole Miss and Kansas St). 4 loss LSU(with wins over Wisconsin and Ole Miss). 4 loss A&M. Oh and Alabama who may be #1.

Sorry to say but Auburn is light years ahead of Notre Dame. Auburn will still be top 15 this week. Notre Dame- not so much. and FSU has nothing behind that at all(and won't have anything with their remaining schedule of BC, Florida, and then Duke). Meanwhile Miss St has a shot to add Ole Miss to their resume.
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(11-17-2014 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I dunno. An undefeated P5 at #4 behind 3 1 loss teams would speak volumes as well.

Not really, because they still get a shot at the championship. So even if their SOS is "weak", they are still getting rewarded.

And if they win their 2 playoff games, then they are guaranteed to be ranked (obviously) #1.

The only way SOS will keep an undefeated P5 out is if there are at least 5 undefeated teams (rare). Otherwise, an undefeated P5 is practically guaranteed to be a CFP top 4 team, until proven otherwise.
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(11-17-2014 03:15 PM)wleakr Wrote:  
(11-17-2014 03:00 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I dunno. An undefeated P5 at #4 behind 3 1 loss teams would speak volumes as well.

Not really, because they still get a shot at the championship. So even if their SOS is "weak", they are still getting rewarded.

And if they win their 2 playoff games, then they are guaranteed to be ranked (obviously) #1.

The only way SOS will keep an undefeated P5 out is if there are at least 5 undefeated teams (rare). Otherwise, an undefeated P5 is practically guaranteed to be a CFP top 4 team, until proven otherwise.

I want to see undefeated FSU ranked #5 and win the Orange Bowl, while whoever are #3 and #4 to win the Sugar and Rose Bowls. Who would the AP vote #1?
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(11-17-2014 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What are each schools top wins? Not at time of play but right now?


Like I said, changing your tune. Anyway, it depends on how you define quality win, which for you, changes by the week. First, let's get two things clear: LSU was shut out by a team that hasn't won a conference game in three years, and A&M lost 59-0. In no way, shape, or form are these to be considered "quality" wins under any circumstances from this point forward. A&M should be banned from being even considered for ranking for another year. Which eliminated all of the "quality" wins Miss St has except for Auburn, which gets us back to where we started. So again, one win vs. Auburn, oh, AND THEY LOST ALABAMA, don't count them on how good their schedule is- does not in anyway make for a tougher schedule. Especially because Auburn could still end up with four losses.

FSU may not have a great SOS. But Miss St's isn't that good either. It is very similar to the entire debate about the ECU SOS: where you assumed it was much better than it was, instead of listening to those who warned that by season's end, it would not be that good. Same here. Miss St's SOS only appeared good because people thought LSU and A&M were good teams: they are not, and now they have no significant SOS advantage over FSU. And really they can't going forward, because if they and Alabama win out, it will kill their "quality" wins.

BTW, Alabama only has one real quality win right now too, in Miss St. A&M, LSU, and WVU, their "quality wins" are all unranked now. Southern Miss and FAU are not good, neither is Arkansas, Florida fired it's coach, and Tennessee while improving, is still not very good. But if ever a team deserved some benefit of the doubt, a team with 3 titles in five years is that team.
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(11-17-2014 05:21 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(11-17-2014 03:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  What are each schools top wins? Not at time of play but right now?


Like I said, changing your tune. Anyway, it depends on how you define quality win, which for you, changes by the week. First, let's get two things clear: LSU was shut out by a team that hasn't won a conference game in three years, and A&M lost 59-0. In no way, shape, or form are these to be considered "quality" wins under any circumstances from this point forward. A&M should be banned from being even considered for ranking for another year. Which eliminated all of the "quality" wins Miss St has except for Auburn, which gets us back to where we started. So again, one win vs. Auburn, oh, AND THEY LOST ALABAMA, don't count them on how good their schedule is- does not in anyway make for a tougher schedule. Especially because Auburn could still end up with four losses.

FSU may not have a great SOS. But Miss St's isn't that good either. It is very similar to the entire debate about the ECU SOS: where you assumed it was much better than it was, instead of listening to those who warned that by season's end, it would not be that good. Same here. Miss St's SOS only appeared good because people thought LSU and A&M were good teams: they are not, and now they have no significant SOS advantage over FSU. And really they can't going forward, because if they and Alabama win out, it will kill their "quality" wins.

BTW, Alabama only has one real quality win right now too, in Miss St. A&M, LSU, and WVU, their "quality wins" are all unranked now. Southern Miss and FAU are not good, neither is Arkansas, Florida fired it's coach, and Tennessee while improving, is still not very good. But if ever a team deserved some benefit of the doubt, a team with 3 titles in five years is that team.
Odds are real good that the winning team of LSU/Texas A&M will be ranked- especially if it's LSU(with the win over Wisconsin as well). You may not like it- but that is the pure truth. A 8-4 team with wins over Ole Miss, A&M, and Wisconsin- yeah -that's going to be a ranked team pretty much no matter what. Auburn at 8-4 will be ranked. That's 2 wins bare minimum ranked by the committee. How many does FSU have? ND if they win out? That would be the only possible one. You can disparage LSU/A&M- but FSU doesn't have anything remotely close to even that.
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(11-17-2014 05:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  . You can disparage LSU/A&M- but FSU doesn't have anything remotely close to even that.

You know what else FSU doesn't have? A loss. 05-stirthepot

This is not even a debate. And yes I can disparage LSU and A&M. You lose to Arkansas 17-0, don't try to slide your name into the quality win mix. You lose to (Anyone) 59-0, I don't want to hear about until the entire team cycles out. Call me in two years.
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(11-17-2014 05:39 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(11-17-2014 05:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  . You can disparage LSU/A&M- but FSU doesn't have anything remotely close to even that.

You know what else FSU doesn't have? A loss. 05-stirthepot

This is not even a debate. And yes I can disparage LSU and A&M. You lose to Arkansas 17-0, don't try to slide your name into the quality win mix. You lose to (Anyone) 59-0, I don't want to hear about until the entire team cycles out. Call me in two years.
Sorry but 1 game doesn't make an entire resume. Arkansas would be 6-2 in the ACC.... But because they are in the SEC they are 1-5. LSU would be 8-4 with wins over Wisconsin(who may win the Big Ten) and Ole Miss. You can cry all you want to but the committee will view that as a quality win. That's easily top 25- probably closer to #20 when all is said and done.

The problem is LSU is better of a win for Miss St than any of the crap that FSU has this year. It's possible that FSU will have ZERO top 25 wins this year. ZERO. NONE.
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