He has got to be the dumbest coach on the planet.

Going for it with 2 minutes left on his own 28? And not surprising them, but calling a time out and then setting up for it again.
And he could have run out the clock on that drive if he had tried to eat some clock on the previous drive. They were snapping with 20-25 seconds on the clock.

Bad luck for Cincy on that PI. Probably more offensive pass interference on that play than defensive (lots of hands by both). Think the close-up ref saw everything and didn't think it should be called.

I have no idea why UC hired Tuberville ...... program needs a young coach with energy (a la Kelly and Butch Jones). It's so obvious Tommy doesn't really care, this is just something for him to do for a couple years until he retires.


All that said, the FG just went through, so the Bearcats may pull this out yet. Despite that absolutely idiotic call a few minutes ago.

Can you really advance a 2nd forward pass for a TD? Is that a fumble or a dead ball? That ball that was "fumbled" was thrown about 5 or 6 yards forward (as was the initial exchange). It was not a lateral. Game would have been over either way, but the refs didn't throw a flag as they should have.

If you are going to do an idiotic call, at least don't announce it by lining up and then calling a time out.

(11-13-2014 11:02 PM)NittanyLion Wrote:  I have no idea why UC hired Tuberville ...... program needs a young coach with energy (a la Kelly and Butch Jones). It's so obvious Tommy doesn't really care, this is just something for him to do for a couple years until he retires.


All that said, the FG just went through, so the Bearcats may pull this out yet. Despite that absolutely idiotic call a few minutes ago.

Brian Kelly made the same call, going for it on 4th with a 1:30 left, when he was at UC.
Vast majority of UC fans do not want another young up and comer. Dantonio, Kelly, Jones were here for 3 years and then gone. This is Tubs last stop and that stabilizes recruiting.
Especially in the Tri State area the HS coaches saw UC recruiters as a revolving door.

Former AD Whit Babcock hired Tubs because he had a relationship with him from working at Auburn and he knew he did not like Lubbock. Butch Jones left the roster bone dry, especially on D. It is stunning how many #1s, in year 2, are Tubs recruits.

QB Keil
WR McKay
WR Galdney
WR Holton
RB Boone
RB Williams
RB Moore
TE Golic
OT Bond
DE Hartsfield
DE Jordan
DT Pace
DT Allonce
LB Luc
CB Stephens
CB Wilder
S Edwards
CB Coleman

We have about 3 Defensive players seeing playing time left over from Butch Jones. That is stunning. We should be winning with guys in years 4-5 in the program. The ONLY position group that has mainly Jones guys left is Offensive line. Tubs has good recruiters, and we have a bunch of JUCOs, True Freshman and Redshirt Freshman playing. If Babcock would have gone the Purdue/Darell Hazell, Illinois/Tim Beckman route UC would be in a world of hurt.

Running backs #1 #2 Tion Greene and Hosey Williams out for the season week 1. Rod Moore and true Freshman Mike Boone, Tubs guys are already better than those guys.
90% of scoring is Tubs guys. To say Tubs doesn't care is off of charts not accurate.

There are many aspects of being a head college football coach. Recruiting is one. Game management is another. Tuberville was AWOL the last 11 minutes in game management.

Bill Belichick did the same thing a few years back in a road game against Peyton Manning (wasn't going to stop Manning) that failed as well.

The Bearcats had already gotten like 550 yards and 37 points and were gashing ECU all night. I can see the logic, but the play call was poor and I think the team was a little nervous lining up that second time.

(11-14-2014 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  There are many aspects of being a head college football coach. Recruiting is one. Game management is another. Tuberville was AWOL the last 11 minutes in game management.

I did not agree with the 4th down call, but then he or the coaches do not get credit for the final drive winning FG? Were they AWOL on the final drive? UC fans know one hell of a lot more than you about the team and the program, especially this poster.

Boneheaded play calling becomes brilliant if it works. This one didn't but it didn't cost UC the game.

This is most likely Tubbs last stop and that's good for UC. I appreciate what Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did but UC needed the stability that Tubbs has brought to the program. He's a very good recruiter and has assembled a good staff.

With the $90M Nippert renovation, improved academics, $1.2B endowment and upcoming $70M Shoemaker upgrade, UC is well positioned for the future - either in the AAC or elsewhere.

(11-14-2014 10:15 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  Boneheaded play calling becomes brilliant if it works. This one didn't but it didn't cost UC the game.

This is most likely Tubbs last stop and that's good for UC. I appreciate what Dantonio, Kelly and Jones did but UC needed the stability that Tubbs has brought to the program. He's a very good recruiter and has assembled a good staff.

With the $90M Nippert renovation, improved academics, $1.2B endowment and upcoming $70M Shoemaker upgrade, UC is well positioned for the future - either in the AAC or elsewhere.

They should have let the clock run down to 5 seconds then call a time out before they kicked the final field goal.

(11-13-2014 11:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Can you really advance a 2nd forward pass for a TD? Is that a fumble or a dead ball? That ball that was "fumbled" was thrown about 5 or 6 yards forward (as was the initial exchange). It was not a lateral. Game would have been over either way, but the refs didn't throw a flag as they should have.

If it were an illegal forward pass (I thought it was) the ball is dead when it hits the ground and a five yard penalty is assessed from the spot where it is thrown and it is loss of down penalty.

(11-14-2014 10:04 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Bill Belichick did the same thing a few years back in a road game against Peyton Manning (wasn't going to stop Manning) that failed as well.

The Bearcats had already gotten like 550 yards and 37 points and were gashing ECU all night. I can see the logic, but the play call was poor and I think the team was a little nervous lining up that second time.

1st 4 drives of the 2nd half after Cincy got up 38-20, Cincinnati had 11 total yards. They weren't gashing in the 2nd half. And they had stopped ECU some. ECU was going to have to drive the length of the field in 2 minutes. They had a good bit of trouble doing 25. Took a call on PI that easily could not have been called.

(11-14-2014 10:06 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:00 AM)bullet Wrote:  There are many aspects of being a head college football coach. Recruiting is one. Game management is another. Tuberville was AWOL the last 11 minutes in game management.

I did not agree with the 4th down call, but then he or the coaches do not get credit for the final drive winning FG? Were they AWOL on the final drive? UC fans know one hell of a lot more than you about the team and the program, especially this poster.

He shouldn't have been in that position.

(11-14-2014 10:35 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 11:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  Can you really advance a 2nd forward pass for a TD? Is that a fumble or a dead ball? That ball that was "fumbled" was thrown about 5 or 6 yards forward (as was the initial exchange). It was not a lateral. Game would have been over either way, but the refs didn't throw a flag as they should have.

If it were an illegal forward pass (I thought it was) the ball is dead when it hits the ground and a five yard penalty is assessed from the spot where it is thrown and it is loss of down penalty.

Thanks. I thought it was something like that.
Same result, game over, but the score would be different.

(11-14-2014 11:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-14-2014 10:04 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  Bill Belichick did the same thing a few years back in a road game against Peyton Manning (wasn't going to stop Manning) that failed as well.

The Bearcats had already gotten like 550 yards and 37 points and were gashing ECU all night. I can see the logic, but the play call was poor and I think the team was a little nervous lining up that second time.

1st 4 drives of the 2nd half after Cincy got up 38-20, Cincinnati had 11 total yards. They weren't gashing in the 2nd half. And they had stopped ECU some. ECU was going to have to drive the length of the field in 2 minutes. They had a good bit of trouble doing 25. Took a call on PI that easily could not have been called.

Exactly. We take an 18-point lead, then our coaching staff decides to completely abandon the game plan that got us there and try to run out the clock in the freaking 3rd quarter. Just completely asinine. I do think Tuberville is a good recruiter, but I am not at all impressed with his game coaching.

I was fine going for it in that situation. ECU had just marched 80 yards in a minute. It was hard to trust the defense at that point and a first down wins the game. I didn't like the playcall, however.

I wish the coaches had played the second half with the type of aggression that got them to go for it on 4th down. UC got up 3 scores and took their foot of the gas. ECU knew it and brought everyone up to stop the run. Passed were available and if UC had played with the attacking game plan it had through the first drive in the second half they could have put the game away a while before.

Still very fun game and an awesome win.

(11-14-2014 01:59 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I was fine going for it in that situation. ECU had just marched 80 yards in a minute. It was hard to trust the defense at that point and a first down wins the game. I didn't like the playcall, however.

I wish the coaches had played the second half with the type of aggression that got them to go for it on 4th down. UC got up 3 scores and took their foot of the gas. ECU knew it and brought everyone up to stop the run. Passed were available and if UC had played with the attacking game plan it had through the first drive in the second half they could have put the game away a while before.

Still very fun game and an awesome win.

Definitely entertaining.

Here is the video and some analyst comments for those that did not actually see the play.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/11/tommy-tu...d-call-ecu

I was fine with going for it. Not a fan of the play call. 1 thing that many people don't realize is that Tuberville gives full autonomy to his coordinators. The OC called it, Tuberville didn't interfere (he made the decision to go for it, not the play call).

After the game on the post game show he talked about how he didn't have confidence in the defense stopping ECU. I don't blame him.

Going for it was the right call. The way our defense was playing, ECU would have scored anyways. A punt would have just given ECU the time to run out the clock before they scored. Instead, they scored right away and left enough time for us to make the winning drive.

And if we had got the 1st down, it was game over.