(11-12-2014 02:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  We have rights because we are human. Animals that aren't human do not have rights. As smart as you think you've become through evolution, you still don't recognize this, evidently.

All jokes aside. . .there was a guy claiming to have killed a Bigfoot and had drawn a map to where he buried it. He gave half to his wife, and hid the other half in his will and said when he dies, she'll get that other half. When asked why he didn't just tell us (besides the obvious that we've never had 100% proof of seeing one), he said he was afraid that the DNA would be too close to a human's DNA and that he'd be arrested for murder.

(11-12-2014 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As smart as we think we are, we are animals, and animal rights have been right for thousands of years. Evolution is real on many planes. We are the smartest animals the earth has ever seen. it is a shame we don't realize it. Our bodies evolved on eating plants and animals. Wild plants and wild animals, not the crap we eat today.

We have rights because we are human. Animals that aren't human do not have rights. As smart as you think you've become through evolution, you still don't recognize this, evidently.

There is a right and a wrong.....and there are rights. Animals eat animals, always has been always will be. At the microbial level and beyond. What you think about what I do is your problem. Not mine.

However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

(11-12-2014 02:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 12:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have no want to discuss the goings on of this thread...just to point out you're bat s@&$ crazy.

because we're working hard to reduce the number of personal attacks in the Spin Room.

It looks like "bat sands" crazy. A failed alteration of words by Memphis.

(11-12-2014 02:16 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As smart as we think we are, we are animals, and animal rights have been right for thousands of years. Evolution is real on many planes. We are the smartest animals the earth has ever seen. it is a shame we don't realize it. Our bodies evolved on eating plants and animals. Wild plants and wild animals, not the crap we eat today.

We have rights because we are human. Animals that aren't human do not have rights. As smart as you think you've become through evolution, you still don't recognize this, evidently.

There is a right and a wrong.....and there are rights. Animals eat animals, always has been always will be. At the microbial level and beyond. What you think about what I do is your problem. Not mine.

However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

Why does that Eagle "play" with the fish? Why does that Cat "play" with the mouse?

(11-12-2014 02:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:16 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:07 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As smart as we think we are, we are animals, and animal rights have been right for thousands of years. Evolution is real on many planes. We are the smartest animals the earth has ever seen. it is a shame we don't realize it. Our bodies evolved on eating plants and animals. Wild plants and wild animals, not the crap we eat today.

We have rights because we are human. Animals that aren't human do not have rights. As smart as you think you've become through evolution, you still don't recognize this, evidently.

There is a right and a wrong.....and there are rights. Animals eat animals, always has been always will be. At the microbial level and beyond. What you think about what I do is your problem. Not mine.

However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

Why does that Eagle "play" with the fish? Why does that Cat "play" with the mouse?

The effect of something called a Sin nature. But certainly not because they're human. Humans are basically good, and can become depraved. But with animals, they are what they are. Their natures are not something they choose to work on (or not) to make better. And unlike humans they can't contemplate whether what they're doing could be "abusive" to another animal.

(11-12-2014 02:28 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:16 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  We have rights because we are human. Animals that aren't human do not have rights. As smart as you think you've become through evolution, you still don't recognize this, evidently.

There is a right and a wrong.....and there are rights. Animals eat animals, always has been always will be. At the microbial level and beyond. What you think about what I do is your problem. Not mine.

However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

Why does that Eagle "play" with the fish? Why does that Cat "play" with the mouse?

The effect of something called a Sin nature. But certainly not because they're human. Humans are basically good, and can become depraved. But with animals, they are what they are. Their natures are not something they choose to work on (or not) to make better. And unlike humans they can't contemplate whether what they're doing could be "abusive" to another animal.

Shame we are stuck in this "animal" body. But as long as we are, we might want to treat it as such to optimize its health. What do angels eat?

(11-12-2014 02:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:28 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:16 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:14 PM)Dasville Wrote:  There is a right and a wrong.....and there are rights. Animals eat animals, always has been always will be. At the microbial level and beyond. What you think about what I do is your problem. Not mine.

However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

Why does that Eagle "play" with the fish? Why does that Cat "play" with the mouse?

The effect of something called a Sin nature. But certainly not because they're human. Humans are basically good, and can become depraved. But with animals, they are what they are. Their natures are not something they choose to work on (or not) to make better. And unlike humans they can't contemplate whether what they're doing could be "abusive" to another animal.

Shame we are stuck in this "animal" body. But as long as we are, we might want to treat it as such to optimize its health. What do angels eat?

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to eat in a healthy way. Actually, I personally believe our bodies are sacred.

As far as what angels eat, I don't know. I've never spoken to one to ask such a question. Have you?

(11-12-2014 02:46 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:34 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:28 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:22 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 02:16 PM)G-Man Wrote:  However, you said animals don't torture other animals. This was incorrect. And you're right, it's not my problem.

Why does that Eagle "play" with the fish? Why does that Cat "play" with the mouse?

The effect of something called a Sin nature. But certainly not because they're human. Humans are basically good, and can become depraved. But with animals, they are what they are. Their natures are not something they choose to work on (or not) to make better. And unlike humans they can't contemplate whether what they're doing could be "abusive" to another animal.

Shame we are stuck in this "animal" body. But as long as we are, we might want to treat it as such to optimize its health. What do angels eat?

I agree wholeheartedly that we need to eat in a healthy way. Actually, I personally believe our bodies are sacred.

As far as what angels eat, I don't know. I've never spoken to one to ask such a question. Have you?

I choose to listen.

(11-12-2014 11:57 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:20 AM)G-Man Wrote:  Those of you who think they do are wrong.

Are you saying this from a philosophical position, or one citing the current legal status?

Yes, I am.

I.e., both.

Some locales are changing their laws to include animal rights. You may disagree with that approach, but your claim is no longer universal.

All I've seen are laws protecting animals from being abused. But I've not seen any laws that talk about the rights of animals. Have you?

I've seen it reported that way. I haven't read the actual bills and statutes.

(11-12-2014 03:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:57 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:49 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Are you saying this from a philosophical position, or one citing the current legal status?

Yes, I am.

I.e., both.

Some locales are changing their laws to include animal rights. You may disagree with that approach, but your claim is no longer universal.

All I've seen are laws protecting animals from being abused. But I've not seen any laws that talk about the rights of animals. Have you?

I've seen it reported that way. I haven't read the actual bills and statutes.

I don't think we've actually gotten to that point yet. But, if we have (if you can find any examples and show me), then soon I'm sure such laws will be expanded so that trees will also have rights. But for now, I think we've not yet passed laws giving "rights" to animals that they don't have even if some foolish people think that they should.

(11-12-2014 05:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 03:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:57 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  Yes, I am.

I.e., both.

Some locales are changing their laws to include animal rights. You may disagree with that approach, but your claim is no longer universal.

All I've seen are laws protecting animals from being abused. But I've not seen any laws that talk about the rights of animals. Have you?

I've seen it reported that way. I haven't read the actual bills and statutes.

I don't think we've actually gotten to that point yet. But, if we have (if you can find any examples and show me), then soon I'm sure such laws will be expanded so that trees will also have rights. But for now, I think we've not yet passed laws giving "rights" to animals that they don't have even if some foolish people think that they should.

You do know that humans are animals do you not? As far as trees, well some of them are protected in parks and National Forest. Agriculture started about 10,000 years ago, before that, we depended on the trees and those plants and animals that grew beneath them. We are SOOOOOO much healthier now. Look at those primitive tribes that still exist. No heart disease, arthritis, diabetes, ms, alteimers and such. On most Farms all they want is for the animals to get as big and fat as possible before they are killed. Just say'n.

(11-12-2014 02:11 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 01:04 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  When you start discussing, and I quote "Agreed. But don't be a dick to them...Or put one in them."

Mod Hat Off. If you want to say "and I quote," you should be 110% sure that what you are quoting is correct. Because I did not say "or put one in them." I said:

(11-12-2014 11:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Agreed. But don't be a dick to them.

Apology accepted.

Mod Hat On. My point to Do. Not. Do. This. was to encourage you to not to say things like:

(11-12-2014 12:39 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have no want to discuss the goings on of this thread...just to point out you're bat s@&$ crazy.

because we're working hard to reduce the number of personal attacks in the Spin Room.

You can't talk to him like that or try to moderate him.. By golly he's a victim.

Lol, seems like a non-issue tbh.

Or at least an issue that has been resolved. WE are the ones breaking the rules.

(11-12-2014 06:31 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As far as trees, well some of them are protected in parks and National Forest.

The government assigning something a protected status is not the same as it having it's own rights. ONLY humans have rights. We protect all sorts of things. We protect historical documents. We protect classified information. Do they have rights?

Can you not admit that animals and trees do not have rights? Only humans have rights?

(11-12-2014 05:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 03:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:57 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  Yes, I am.

I.e., both.

Some locales are changing their laws to include animal rights. You may disagree with that approach, but your claim is no longer universal.

All I've seen are laws protecting animals from being abused. But I've not seen any laws that talk about the rights of animals. Have you?

I've seen it reported that way. I haven't read the actual bills and statutes.

I don't think we've actually gotten to that point yet. But, if we have (if you can find any examples and show me),

Fairly old article at this point. Things could have changed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/ma...welfare.uk

Quote:then soon I'm sure such laws will be expanded so that trees will also have rights.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/...s&lang=en&

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/201...gal-voice/

I would not be surprised if some progressive European state gave rights to animals, probably starting with the big primates, followed by dolphins.

(11-12-2014 10:33 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 06:31 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As far as trees, well some of them are protected in parks and National Forest.

The government assigning something a protected status is not the same as it having it's own rights. ONLY humans have rights. We protect all sorts of things. We protect historical documents. We protect classified information. Do they have rights?

Can you not admit that animals and trees do not have rights? Only humans have rights?

Rights endowed by our Creator?

(11-13-2014 02:28 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 10:33 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 06:31 PM)Dasville Wrote:  As far as trees, well some of them are protected in parks and National Forest.

The government assigning something a protected status is not the same as it having it's own rights. ONLY humans have rights. We protect all sorts of things. We protect historical documents. We protect classified information. Do they have rights?

Can you not admit that animals and trees do not have rights? Only humans have rights?

Rights endowed by our Creator?

My own belief about our Creator (IMO) is that He told Humans to steward His creation. But he didn't give the Creation rights.

Our Declaration of Independence, indicated that it's authors believed our Creator created all Men (mankind) equally and that He gave them inalienable rights. Nothing was mentioned about kitties and puppies.

(11-13-2014 01:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 05:08 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 03:42 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:57 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 11:54 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  Some locales are changing their laws to include animal rights. You may disagree with that approach, but your claim is no longer universal.

All I've seen are laws protecting animals from being abused. But I've not seen any laws that talk about the rights of animals. Have you?

I've seen it reported that way. I haven't read the actual bills and statutes.

I don't think we've actually gotten to that point yet. But, if we have (if you can find any examples and show me),

Fairly old article at this point. Things could have changed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/ma...welfare.uk

Quote:then soon I'm sure such laws will be expanded so that trees will also have rights.

https://global.oup.com/academic/product/...s&lang=en&

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/201...gal-voice/

At this point, that's not what's happening here in America...


...yet.