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There are legitimate concerns about 2015
Yes, the naysayers really came out of the woodwork after the Villanova game. The good thing is that the board is alive again. Only losses seem to get people out, not good wins over Delaware.

Let met objectively try to take a look at the team this year and next. I did some grades on other site but I was tame. I'm not going to take shots at coaches or players unless they deserve it. I've been covering this program for 25 years and I've liked all three coaches in Phil, Gordy and Rob. Different guys. Different situations. But I'd rather not go backwards.

So let's take a look at where we are right now at 4-6 overall and 2-4 in the CAA. Nobody should be happy with that record, especially the losses in the last drives to Central Conn. and Maine.

I kind of knew we were in trouble before the season defensively when Bryton Barr went down for the second straight year with a pec injury. Not only is Barr is very good player, but he's also a vocal leader. That's something we really don't have because our seniors are pretty quiet. Last year, we could afford to lose him because the offense was sensational and we had Gaddis and Clark at linebacker.

There's nothing wrong with getting transfers. It's the FCS way. Just because UNH doesn't rely on transfers doesn't mean it didn't work for Delaware, Richmond and JMU in their abilities to win National Championships. The last time I checked, UNH hasn't won a title.

So without a new transfer linebacker, we had a redshirt freshman in James Simms, a senior transfer in Fred Overstreet and Walter Dunston. Simms is for real, a few pounds away from being very good, hopefully Barr will be back and we'll add a real transfer next season. But I digress.

The real problem of this team was on offense. Since Rob doesn't put out an injury report, nobody really knows how bad injuries affected this group. Fullbacks? No Holder, Dreon Johnson, Zach Vogelei (former linebacker), Malik Jackson (former linebacker) due to injuries. Brandon Burney was also injured and then came back over the last two weeks. Holder, Johnson, and freshman Grayson Boyce will be back next season. That position will be loaded and Vogelei, Jackson and Joe McCargo could go back to linebacker.

How about tight ends? Sean Mooney was the starter and was injured early in the season. Tanner Vallely is the backup and has started the entire season despite being hurt. We have three freshmen tight ends sitting out next year and all are pretty darn good.

Offensive line? I don't think people understand how beat up we are. Yes, we were hoping that Shayne Sullivan could get the job done at left tackle at the beginning of the season and that turned out to be a mistake. He moved all around the line but Antonio Harris moved to left tackle and I thought he was becoming a real stud before he injured his knee (sprain) and is likely out for the season. I think he's better suited for left guard but he's not bad at left tackle. But it's impossible to have a successful line without cohesion. With r-freshman center Shawn Flaherty injured to start the year and out for the season, they had to move r-freshman OG/C Amos Campbell to center. He was already playing with an injured shoulder and has been in and out of the lineup all year. He was moved to left guard over the last few games and then missed the Villanova game due to that shoulder injury. So we had just six healthy bodies on the line for that Nova game. They ended up moving nose guard Malik Johnson to the offensive line.

The good news is that we are building up depth on the line and nobody is graduation. I'm assuming that third-string center Brady Stup, Sullivan and Derek Pittman will at least be depth next season with either Sam Evans or a healthy Amos Campbell coming off the bench. I'm usually all about transfers but I don't think you do it on the line. They need chemistry and from what I've seen and heard, the talent is there from Harris, Flaherty, Schunke and Barrio. James Hall and Matt Kaufmann are also big true freshmen sitting out. Whether they are the answers or not, I think we'll know more in the spring.

Brian Dowling and Dillon Tighe, another UMass transfer were hurt before the season begun. They'll be back next season. The only question is who will be throwing them the football?

Connor Frazier has shown this season that he's a solid backup and a likely number three receiver. I won't go through all the mistakes because most of us have seen it. The overthrows, the underthrows, bad decisions, turnovers. He can run though Nova took that away the last game. So I assume he'll move back to WR in his senior season. We will find a qb somewhere to compete with Ellis Knudson. Sure, they made a mistake with Joe Brennan. He'll be gone. They made a mistake with Price Litton, who was an early recruit. Knudson was recruited during the winning years and from what I've seen, he can eventually lead us.

The staff knows there are holes. Injuries played a part of this subpar season, but so did lack of experience, talent, scheme, whatever. Time to get working on a 2015 playoff return.
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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
Good outlook. Nowhere to go but up. Weird how people only come on the board to complain and trash our team and coaches.
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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
(11-11-2014 07:12 AM)TUTigers Wrote:  Good outlook. Nowhere to go but up. Weird how people only come on the board to complain and trash our team and coaches.

It's weird that the total participation on this board is down 500% from last year. Kind of reflective of where the program is. Very little juice. You get juice from being consistent. Towson is not consistent. With no defense, you cannot be consistent. The head coach refuses to make changes to his defensive staff because he thinks that it's better to outscore teams than to shut them down, or even get in their way it seems.

But hey, if all you are satisfied with is a playoff run every 2-3 years, then this is the mindset that will get you there. Under Ambrose it's 3 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons with the best support in the history of the program, more money invested in recruiting, salaries, facilities, you name it. 2015 will be a telling year, and I wonder if the team fails to make the playoffs if any of the Kool Aid drinkers will wake up. The only reason the team is not winning is because of injuries, bad luck, Rob parked near a black cat, and that's just the way it is. It has nothing to do with the defensive scheme, quality of player development or recruiting targets. Sure, pass the Tropical Punch.
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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
You cant blame Rob for the first 2 seasons. All we had was Gordy's leftover garbage
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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
We SHOULD have made the playoffs in '12. Everyone I've talked to believed we would have steam rolled into NDSU in the finals. The '13 campaign proved that out.

This site as well as CAAzone and the other one, are the reason for the low posting totals.
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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
Multiple boards are not the reason why people are not posting here, it's because their is not heat for the team this year.

Should've made the playoffs in 2012, could've beaten JMU had they not given up a 90+ yard TD drive inside of 2 minutes to go, could've made the playoffs if we had played one less FBS team and played a FCS patsy like this year's schedule (would not have lost to CCSU in 2012), would've made the playoffs had we beaten ODU at home and would've done that had Coach Ambrose and Terrance West not gotten in a pregame verbal fight and then 28 left the field in the 3rd quarter for the lockeroom after Rob did not play him in the game. I watched that unfold in front of me while on the field with the Tiger Club guys.

To keep talking about what we should've done two years ago is revisionist. The reality of now is what is discerning and I am legitimately concerned that we are back to a sub 500 record in a league that is a lot worse that when we were winning 1 and 2 games in 2009 and 2010 with, as you put it, Gordy's Garbage. It should be mentioned that "Gordy's Garbage" made up half of the 2011 CAA Championship Team, and the redshirt juniors of 2012 and the redshirt seniors of 2013. This 2014 team is the first ALL AMBROSE recruited team and they are moving quickly towards a sub 500 season and the worst two losses in school history by margin and the worst loss in school history to an opponent in the season opening gaffe against CCSU.

And no, Gordy never had the support that Ambrose has had, that's 100% correct.
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There are legitimate concerns about 2015
(11-12-2014 06:38 PM)TowsonTexasTiger Wrote:  Multiple boards are not the reason why people are not posting here, it's because their is not heat for the team this year.

Should've made the playoffs in 2012, could've beaten JMU had they not given up a 90+ yard TD drive inside of 2 minutes to go, could've made the playoffs if we had played one less FBS team and played a FCS patsy like this year's schedule (would not have lost to CCSU in 2012), would've made the playoffs had we beaten ODU at home and would've done that had Coach Ambrose and Terrance West not gotten in a pregame verbal fight and then 28 left the field in the 3rd quarter for the lockeroom after Rob did not play him in the game. I watched that unfold in front of me while on the field with the Tiger Club guys.

To keep talking about what we should've done two years ago is revisionist. The reality of now is what is discerning and I am legitimately concerned that we are back to a sub 500 record in a league that is a lot worse that when we were winning 1 and 2 games in 2009 and 2010 with, as you put it, Gordy's Garbage. It should be mentioned that "Gordy's Garbage" made up half of the 2011 CAA Championship Team, and the redshirt juniors of 2012 and the redshirt seniors of 2013. This 2014 team is the first ALL AMBROSE recruited team and they are moving quickly towards a sub 500 season and the worst two losses in school history by margin and the worst loss in school history to an opponent in the season opening gaffe against CCSU.

And no, Gordy never had the support that Ambrose has had, that's 100% correct.
I can agree to this post.

I do think our special teams as a whole needs a complete overhaul.



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RE: There are legitimate concerns about 2015
Gordy had some solid guys but also a lot of guys that weren't all in. Rob had to weed out the softy's in his first 2 seasons.
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(11-13-2014 09:08 AM)TUTigers Wrote:  Gordy had some solid guys but also a lot of guys that weren't all in. Rob had to weed out the softy's in his first 2 seasons.

Not for nothing, but who are you TUTigers to judge who was soft and not? Since I actually know some of those kids you are slamming you should know how far off you really are. If you are going to term those guys as soft, you had better take a long hard look at some of the guys that Ambrose has brought in too because they are really not any better off.

When you look at it, those 2007 and 2008 teams achieved a lot more than the 2014 team has. A lot of synergy between 2006 and 2013 in after both years Towson had to replace a major NFL draft pick.

In 2006, the Tigers enjoyed one of their best seasons as a Division I-AA program. Quarterback Sean Schaefer directed one of the top passing games in the nation and Towson compiled a 7-4 record. Their 4-4 A-10 record included wins over Delaware, Villanova, Richmond and Hofstra.

The Tigers were nationally ranked for six weeks in 2006 and achieved their highest I-AA ranking at that point when they were 17th in the nation in late September.

In April 2007, offensive lineman Jermon Bushrod became the fourth Towson football player drafted by an NFL team when he was selected by the New Orleans Saints in the fourth round. Bushrod was a three-time all-conference selection in the A-10.

In 2007, the Atlantic-10 Football Conference became the Colonial Athletic Association and the Tigers entered the season with high expectations. Towson was ranked in the top 25 in the pre-season and got off to a 2-0 start. But, a rash of injuries took their toll and Towson finished with a 3-8 record.
In 2014 the team was ranked preseason, but started 0-2, has had some injuries, and is on target to finish 5-7.

Senior linebacker Brian Bradford had a stellar season in 2007 when he finished second in the nation with 149 tackles in 11 games. In addition to earning first team All-CAA notice, he was a consensus first team All-American. In 2014 Senior Ryan Delaire leads the CAA and ranks seventh in the FCS with 11 sacks this season. The 2013 first team All-CAA selection also leads the CAA in tackles among ends/lineman (10.0), ranks fifth in the league in tackles for loss (13.5) and is tied for sixth in forced fumbles (3).

In 2008, the Tigers celebrated their 40th anniversary with an explosive passing game and a difficult schedule. In the season opener, the Tigers achieved a milestone when they played Navy in Annapolis. Before a crowd of 31,613, the Tigers battled the Mids on nearly even terms in the first half before Navy pulled out a 41-13 victory. What will happen in 2015?

While Schaefer seemed to break a record every week, the Tigers had a difficult time defensively. A third team All-CAA pick, Schaefer led the CAA in passing yards (3,286) and yards of total offense (3,288). He set school career records for pass completions (1044), pass attempts (1610), completion percentage (.648) and passing yardage (11,644). He finished his career ranked eighth among the NCAA FCS all-time passing leaders.

Senior Marcus Lee, his favorite target, set an NCAA FCS record by catching at least one pass in all 45 games of his career. Lee ended his career as Towson’s all-time leader with 225 catches for 2,389 yards with 13 touchdowns.

The Tigers finished the 2008 season with a 3-9 record and a 1-7 mark in the CAA.

Gordy is out because then President Caret wanted to push more cash into football and did not like Gordy. Enter Ambrose, a ton of new money and academic exceptions being pushed for the football program over all other sports, and you get what you have today, which is not much better than what you had in 2007 and 2008.

Without Terrance West, or Jermon Bushrod - once every decade like performers, Towson is not unlike most other 1AA programs, out of mind and twisting in the wind, a major money loser, not getting much media attention, and a big drain on the budget. This year Towson will spend more than $3,800,000 on the sport of football, or with a 5 win season that's $760,000 per win. That's 20% of the total athletics budget. Note that with ticket sales of less than, and you can check this out cause it is dead on, football ticket sales of less than $130,000 for the entire 2014 season at Johnny Unitas Stadium, that this program is really hurting and should be audited for it's true value back to the institution. Considering that the 22,000 students who pay over $820 each for an athletics fee generate approximately $18,040,000 of the $19,000,000 athletics budget, this is a total sham for the kids.
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Thanks for the history lesson, but I'm well aware of what happened since I was there for it all. It's no secret that lots of players quit the team when Rob took over because he held the team to a higher standard than Gordy, and he actually made them act like a division 1 program.
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This isn't new breaking news. I know all of this. If you think that coaches don't drop f bombs or verbally get on their players, then you are naive.
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Skerry curses more than Ambrose. To tear apart or compare either coach is idiotic, because both are about the same age and have done great jobs rebuilding the program and are a bit of a loose cannon on the sidelines.

Each new coach that takes over a program at this school is given more resources than the next one that takes over. Case in point, when Pat Kennedy took over for Michael Hunt, he was given brand new offices, a big boost to the salaries for the assistants and a bigger recruiting budget. Obviously that didn't work out too well, and when Skerry took over, he got a promise of a brand new arena-and eventually it paid off.

As usual, this thread was supposed to be about next year's team but was hijacked by certain people who only want us to fail. Because when you root against a coach, you're rooting against the program. It's why I don't play favorites. Just love the people that pile on. Andy is wrong. It's not CAAZone or all the two sites that keep people away. It's the vocal minority that keep people away.
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Hey, 2006, if you want to critique football and Ambrose fine. Enough of the smear campaign from two years ago. I'm tired of reading this **** because it's one sided and unfair and you've completed destroyed this thread and everything I've worked for 13 years to try to get people to enjoy and talk about Towson sports. Enough is enough.
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I miss the old Zone days. Even though we sucked, everyone was on the same page and supported the teams and our threads were much more enjoyable.
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Every school has disgruntled former players. We had a couple ranting on CAAZone when Bob Shoop left and Scott Boone was promoted to DC about how awful and abusive Boone was as LB Coach. Two years later Boone was hired away by Nevada after producing #2 defense in the country. Eventually they shut up.
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(11-14-2014 08:30 AM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  Every school has disgruntled former players. We had a couple ranting on CAAZone when Bob Shoop left and Scott Boone was promoted to DC about how awful and abusive Boone was as LB Coach. Two years later Boone was hired away by Nevada after producing #2 defense in the country. Eventually they shut up.

Our hater is a professor at the school.
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(11-14-2014 08:50 AM)TUTigers Wrote:  Our hater is a professor at the school.

Oh. That's a horse of a different color. :(
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Hey Matt

Maybe if you made everyone use their real names on this site instead of hiding behind screen names they wouldn't be so quick to say the things they do!!!

A lot of email/message board courage on here which is pretty cowardly for the most part.

Obviously there a few of us that stand behind what we say with our real names
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2006's identity is no secret. Professor Ryan King-White
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(11-14-2014 07:56 AM)TUTigers Wrote:  I miss the old Zone days. Even though we sucked, everyone was on the same page and supported the teams and our threads were much more enjoyable.

This.
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