(11-13-2014 09:36 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The recent increase in violent crime is a result of deteriorating family networks, exhausted finances in the lower classes, and diminishing social capital.

I wouldn't normally peg this on Obama, but he went out TWICE and campaigned for social justice and change.

It didn't happen.

That is a far better answer than simply blaming it on immigration.

Crime around these parts is down...

http://wreg.com/2014/02/27/report-memphi...rime-down/

El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

That's just an example of a "good town". It is not representative of all - or even most - situations.

The thick and thin of it is that the REAL roots of violent crime are connected to the lack of urban financial planning and entrepreneurial development in the post-industrial US. There was no transitional plan once the factories closed - and there really is no excuse for this as municipalities knew about the pending issues about a decade before the chickens really came home to roost.

You can demand new US factories all you want, but the moment that we become more attractive than a third world country is the exact moment that said country goes to a "newer bottom" to keep the competitive edge in the international marketplace. Environmental science, diversified energy systems (clean coal, nuclear, wind, water, geothermal, etc.), and geeky stuff (comp. sci, software, hardware, automation, etc.) should have been the post-industrial plan. Guess what? They weren't early on, and they didn't get there in time.

Once this lack of planning came home to roost, you began to see broken family structures in which a primary earner (the father, usually) was marginalized (because he didn't have a job) and left for dead. A few years later, liberal social philosophies buried the role of the father even further - and as a result it cheated a lot of young black kids of the opportunity to grow up in a traditional nuclear household.

The kids never had a fricking chance. They ultimately turned to drugs, welfare systems, and the same political party that left them for dead in the first place. That, my friends, is what happens when you have an overworked mother and no father to bail her out. A stay-at-home parent is an important thing in any household - and whether that's the father or the mother isn't important, they just need to be there.

Liberal leadership in major US industrial cities never adjusted back when they needed to. That's the story - or at least how I see it. I can't blame a kid who wasn't given a chance.

The sickness is what we call a "poverty cycle" - and violent crime is just a symptom of a it.

(11-13-2014 02:46 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

That's just an example of a "good town". It is not representative of all - or even most - situations.

The thick and thin of it is that the REAL roots of violent crime are connected to the lack of urban financial planning and entrepreneurial development in the post-industrial US. There was no transitional plan once the factories closed - and there really is no excuse for this as municipalities knew about the pending issues about a decade before the chickens really came home to roost.

You can demand new US factories all you want, but the moment that we become more attractive than a third world country is the exact moment that said country goes to a "newer bottom" to keep the competitive edge in the international marketplace. Environmental science, diversified energy systems (clean coal, nuclear, wind, water, geothermal, etc.), and geeky stuff (comp. sci, software, hardware, automation, etc.) should have been the post-industrial plan. Guess what? They weren't early on, and they didn't get there in time.

Once this lack of planning came home to roost, you began to see broken family structures in which a primary earner (the father, usually) was marginalized (because he didn't have a job) and left for dead. A few years later, liberal social philosophies buried the role of the father even further - and as a result it cheated a lot of young black kids of the opportunity to grow up in a traditional nuclear household.

The kids never had a fricking chance. They ultimately turned to drugs, welfare systems, and the same political party that left them for dead in the first place. That, my friends, is what happens when you have an overworked mother and no father to bail her out. A stay-at-home parent is an important thing in any household - and whether that's the father or the mother isn't important, they just need to be there.

Liberal leadership in major US industrial cities never adjusted back when they needed to. That's the story - or at least how I see it. I can't blame a kid who wasn't given a chance.

The sickness is what we call a "poverty cycle" - and violent crime is just a symptom of a it.

Good post.

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

Everybody on El Paso's most wanted are Mexican. The cross the border, commit crimes, cross back into Mexico, hide, come back over. Look at any major County in the USA and half of the most wanted come from south of the border. Illegals commit a super high percentage of serious crimes. Violent crime and Mexicans are attached at the hip.

(11-13-2014 03:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.
Someone explain that one.

Everybody on El Paso's most wanted are Mexican. The cross the border, commit crimes, cross back into Mexico, hide, come back over. Look at any major County in the USA and half of the most wanted come from south of the border. Illegals commit a super high percentage of serious crimes. Violent crime and Mexicans are attached at the hip.

This is incorrect. Only four of the listings include the suspect's birthplace, and two of those are in America. In addition, as a former deputy it is most likely that EPE #1 is an American citizen (it is certainly possible that he was naturalized). It's impossible to determine the nationality of most of the rest from the information provided, although one does mention multiple arrests for illegal entry.

(11-13-2014 03:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

Everybody on El Paso's most wanted are Mexican. The cross the border, commit crimes, cross back into Mexico, hide, come back over. Look at any major County in the USA and half of the most wanted come from south of the border. Illegals commit a super high percentage of serious crimes. Violent crime and Mexicans are attached at the hip.

Wrong

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

(11-13-2014 02:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation and yet we see far more immigration than most.

Someone explain that one.

It's easy, if you're literate.

http://borderzine.com/2012/08/el-paso%E2...safe-city/

Quote:For more than a decade El Paso has been the safest city in the mouths of news media outlets, government officials, law enforcement agents and citizens who are unaware that El Paso’s violent crime rate is currently higher than the national average.

In fact, the FBI warns against any ranking that compares safety from one city to another because they ignore geographic, demographic factors and cultural, educational, recreational or religious characteristics affecting crime rates.

“These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mold crime in a particular town, city, county, state, or region. Consequently, they lead to simplistic or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions, adversely affecting communities and their residents,” FBI spokesman Stephen G. Fischer Jr. said.

In April, during the annual name reading at the Crime Victims Memorial, Mayor Cook continued to promote El Paso’s crime ranking published by the CQ Press.

“We are very proud that El Paso comes out in the top rankings on safest cities,” Cook said. “Those rankings are based on the FBI statistics on violent crime.”

Although Cook mentioned that these rankings are based on FBI statistics, they are outdated and incomplete. The CQ Press, bases its rankings on a Crime Index which dates back to 1960 and only combines the eight main offense categories: murder, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft and arson.

However, the FBI stopped using the Crime Index in 2004 because, as Fischer states, “the Crime Index and the Modified Crime Index were not true indicators of the degrees of criminality.”

Instead, the FBI bases their reported crime rates on the yearly Uniform Crime Report. This report uses 22 categories, made up of 46 specific crimes including arrests which are not part of the discontinued Crime Index.

In its methodology section, the CQ Press acknowledges that it is using outdated reporting methods.

“While the FBI concludes how it will replace the Crime Index, City Crime Rankings continues to provide total crime numbers, rates and trends for U.S. cities and metropolitan areas as a service to readers,” states the CQ Press 2011 – 2012 Crime Rankings book.

The CQ Press continues to publish their controversial book despite various uproars including a 2010 press release where Houston Mayor Annise D. Parker, Chair of the U.S. Conference of Mayors Criminal and Social Justice Committee said:

“These rankings represent a gross misuse of FBI data. Everyone with the slightest knowledge of this issue knows the rankings are not credible, but the publication persists with them, presumably because rankings are popular and sell books.”

Bump. Don't want buddy to miss where he's called out for his deceit.

(11-18-2014 05:18 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Bump. Don't want buddy to miss where he's called out for his deceit.

So you thought being one of the safest cities in America means your crime rate cannot increase?

That's precious.