GTS doesn't sit back and read our PM's, and the rest of the boards don't have that ability anyways. If I did, I wouldn't read other people's PM's unless a situation like GTS just described where he's being legally subpoenaed for the information. I'm sure there are PM's about that d*ckhead ClairtonPanther and how he gave me a warning yada yada. I'd say that comes w/ the territory as being a mod, supermod, or admin. Personally, I have a thick skin when it comes to that, but I really wouldn't care if someone did that "behind closed doors". Point is, I highly doubt GTS spends 3 hours a day combing through our PM's to ensure that there ain't fishy sh*t going on. He was tipped off over people possible doxing, and investigated the matter. GTS will likely never have to investigate or get subpoenaed again. And it's merely coincidental that all of this went down within a month or so time span.

I'm so happy that Oklildicks is gone. No more knock out threads.

(11-11-2014 09:05 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  What the hell could a chat board have that would possibly interest someone in a lawsuit?

You can read the aftermath over there if you want. A super TL;DR oversimplification: People were accusing a major public figure of WMU with having relations with a major booster of WMU. They were not stating this as opinion or rumor, but fact. Said major booster found out about said posts. Was not pleased. Hired lawyer. Lawyer gave me the standard boilerplate nastygram. I said I understand his client's reasons but for privacy concerns demand a subpoena to turn over any private information. Spoke with said lawyer -- seems like an alright fella. They followed through and subpoenaed me. I was served said subpoena papers. I complied with them. And that's pretty much where we are. Several of those subpoenaed have posted public retractions. I do not know who will refuse to post retraction and who will be taken to court regardless of their retraction choice. INTERNETS!

This thread was created with no disrespect to GTS. You gotta do what you gotta do IME

(11-11-2014 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:05 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  What the hell could a chat board have that would possibly interest someone in a lawsuit?

You can read the aftermath over there if you want. A super TL;DR oversimplification: People were accusing a major public figure of WMU with having relations with a major booster of WMU. They were not stating this as opinion or rumor, but fact. Said major booster found out about said posts. Was not pleased. Hired lawyer. Lawyer gave me the standard boilerplate nastygram. I said I understand his client's reasons but for privacy concerns demand a subpoena to turn over any private information. Spoke with said lawyer -- seems like an alright fella. They followed through and subpoenaed me. I was served said subpoena papers. I complied with them. And that's pretty much where we are. Several of those subpoenaed have posted public retractions. I do not know who will refuse to post retraction and who will be taken to court regardless of their retraction choice. INTERNETS!

Dumb question.. Were they told of such infraction or is it like anything else here, you google a subject and CSN pops up with the googled words?

Just to back-up what GTS has posted here in regard to his defending the board, he consistently goes out of his way to fend off (usually, quite adroitly) efforts to bully the board into turning over information. He doesn't give an inch, and in the case he referenced, did not budge until forced to by subpoena. There is a huge lesson here, though: There are consequences to what you post. But I don't think we could have be a more staunch defender of the rights of posters than GTS.

You know, it's interesting about that subpoena - I heard the same rumor months ago from some one that I believed could have known about it. Briefly thought of posting it on that board as a rumor I had heard - decided that it wasn't really my business and that, if it were true, it would come out eventually, so I just left it alone.

Glad my better inclinations ruled the day.

(11-11-2014 10:14 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Dumb question.. Were they told of such infraction or is it like anything else here, you google a subject and CSN pops up with the googled words?

I have no idea.

(11-11-2014 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:05 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  What the hell could a chat board have that would possibly interest someone in a lawsuit?

You can read the aftermath over there if you want. A super TL;DR oversimplification: People were accusing a major public figure of WMU with having relations with a major booster of WMU. They were not stating this as opinion or rumor, but fact. Said major booster found out about said posts. Was not pleased. Hired lawyer. Lawyer gave me the standard boilerplate nastygram. I said I understand his client's reasons but for privacy concerns demand a subpoena to turn over any private information. Spoke with said lawyer -- seems like an alright fella. They followed through and subpoenaed me. I was served said subpoena papers. I complied with them. And that's pretty much where we are. Several of those subpoenaed have posted public retractions. I do not know who will refuse to post retraction and who will be taken to court regardless of their retraction choice. INTERNETS!

Dude. You have a forum with and adsense account. No one is going to take you to court. You are a drop in a bucket, just like anyone running a mybb forum. You are not Perez Hilton.

Clearly...no one EVER files frivolous law suits!

(11-11-2014 12:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:05 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  What the hell could a chat board have that would possibly interest someone in a lawsuit?

You can read the aftermath over there if you want. A super TL;DR oversimplification: People were accusing a major public figure of WMU with having relations with a major booster of WMU. They were not stating this as opinion or rumor, but fact. Said major booster found out about said posts. Was not pleased. Hired lawyer. Lawyer gave me the standard boilerplate nastygram. I said I understand his client's reasons but for privacy concerns demand a subpoena to turn over any private information. Spoke with said lawyer -- seems like an alright fella. They followed through and subpoenaed me. I was served said subpoena papers. I complied with them. And that's pretty much where we are. Several of those subpoenaed have posted public retractions. I do not know who will refuse to post retraction and who will be taken to court regardless of their retraction choice. INTERNETS!

Dude. You have a forum with and adsense account. No one is going to take you to court. You are a drop in a bucket, just like anyone running a mybb forum. You are not Perez Hilton.

I don't think you understand the difference between being the defendant and being subpoenaed.

And while you are right about not being taken to court, you are right for the wrong reasons. I have taken the steps to attain the same legal protections afforded to ISPs, which I did when Rightshaven went around suing every blog and message board on the planet where a member/contributor posted all or most of an article from the Las Vegas Review Journal. So taking me to court is pretty much an exercise in futility after the steps I've taken.

(11-11-2014 01:05 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 12:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 10:01 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:05 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  What the hell could a chat board have that would possibly interest someone in a lawsuit?

You can read the aftermath over there if you want. A super TL;DR oversimplification: People were accusing a major public figure of WMU with having relations with a major booster of WMU. They were not stating this as opinion or rumor, but fact. Said major booster found out about said posts. Was not pleased. Hired lawyer. Lawyer gave me the standard boilerplate nastygram. I said I understand his client's reasons but for privacy concerns demand a subpoena to turn over any private information. Spoke with said lawyer -- seems like an alright fella. They followed through and subpoenaed me. I was served said subpoena papers. I complied with them. And that's pretty much where we are. Several of those subpoenaed have posted public retractions. I do not know who will refuse to post retraction and who will be taken to court regardless of their retraction choice. INTERNETS!

Dude. You have a forum with and adsense account. No one is going to take you to court. You are a drop in a bucket, just like anyone running a mybb forum. You are not Perez Hilton.

I don't think you understand the difference between being the defendant and being subpoenaed.

And while you are right about not being taken to court, you are right for the wrong reasons. I have taken the steps to attain the same legal protections afforded to ISPs, which I did when Rightshaven went around suing every blog and message board on the planet where a member/contributor posted all or most of an article from the Las Vegas Review Journal. So taking me to court is pretty much an exercise in futility after the steps I've taken.

I do understand. What I am saying is regardless of the safegaurds you have in place, no one would be able to come close to collecting what they would spend in trying to bring litigation against you.

(11-11-2014 01:53 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I do understand. What I am saying is regardless of the safegaurds you have in place, no one would be able to come close to collecting what they would spend in trying to bring litigation against you.

That doesn't mean they couldn't put this site out of business because they have more money to waste on legal teams than CSN. Happens all the time where people decide that the legal costs are just too much to bear any longer, even if they are completely right. I know of several network security sites that have shut down due to those issues.

Why would they subpoena GTS and not the poster(s) for the PMs in discovery? I mean, if I get sued, I provide my relevant email from my gmail account, not Google.

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(11-11-2014 01:53 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I do understand. What I am saying is regardless of the safegaurds you have in place, no one would be able to come close to collecting what they would spend in trying to bring litigation against you.

They won't bring litigation against me regardless due to the steps I've taken. They CAN, however, go after posters if the posters put something defamatory up. Which is the issue at hand. And they CAN, at minimum, recoup their legal costs. Possibly more, but defamatory damages in court is an ephemeral and nebulous thing.

(11-11-2014 06:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Why would they subpoena GTS and not the poster(s) for the PMs in discovery? I mean, if I get sued, I provide my relevant email from my gmail account, not Google.

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I am a third party holding private information (IP address, etc) relating to the identification of the poster. Just as the government would subpoena Verizon if they wanted to know the whereabouts and owner of a cellphone if they called in a bomb threat or something like that.

(11-11-2014 06:19 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 06:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Why would they subpoena GTS and not the poster(s) for the PMs in discovery? I mean, if I get sued, I provide my relevant email from my gmail account, not Google.

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I am a third party holding private information (IP address, etc) relating to the identification of the poster. Just as the government would subpoena Verizon if they wanted to know the whereabouts and owner of a cellphone if they called in a bomb threat or something like that.

Ah I though the ID was a given.

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(11-10-2014 11:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 05:27 PM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  I do not post here a ton but I did occasionally like to pop in as there was good entertaining banter and what not. Since all those libs got butt hurt and split the board and other posters took things too far the board has suffered. I have not seen several of my favorite long time posters in a while. Thoughts..

GTS split the board. I know of no liberal posters who requested this change. None.

You continue to say this and it makes NO difference. That's not the point.
No Lib had to "request" the split. GTS, I believe, felt he HAD to do something due to the incessant whining, complaining and reporting or whatever else was coming at him all the time. My guess, it wasn't from posters found on the right. Just not in our DNA.

He is certainly welcome to correct me and I would invite that if he wishes. If the bulk of the crying, moaning and even suggestions that the rooms be split came from some of the more conservative posters then by ALL means, tell me I'm wrong.


***Welp, just read the rest of this thread. Interesting stuff, esp the WMU fiasco. Not sure how that played in here, or if it did, but I don't recall anything too WAAAAY over the top. Some of the redundancy and school kid name calling perhaps, but nothing too egregious.

Still put my money on the leftists around here filling the "report" box far faster than the cons.

(11-11-2014 06:38 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You continue to say this and it makes NO difference. That's not the point.
No Lib had to "request" the split. GTS, I believe, felt he HAD to do something due to the incessant whining, complaining and reporting or whatever else was coming at him all the time. My guess, it wasn't from posters found on the right. Just not in our DNA.

He is certainly welcome to correct me and I would invite that if he wishes. If the bulk of the crying, moaning and even suggestions that the rooms be split came from some of the more conservative posters then by ALL means, tell me I'm wrong.

It was as much the liberals whining as it was the ESPN'ers cratering the quality of discussion. The main spin room board now has threads with actual meaningful discussion on them that I'd argue wouldn't look anything close to what they do now if they were on the previous incarnation.

I think the former ESPNers should be banished. Would solve many so called "problems" people are having with the current set-up of the board.

Personally, I think the new setup is a good thing. Separates the posters who continually get in the same argument over and over, and the spammers can do their thing over here on the Buffalo Wild West Wings board (You should look into BWWs to sponsor this board haha).