Congrats to Heineke. One thing to note is that through the 90s they didn't regularly play 12 game seasons, and they didn't include stats from post season (league championship games (which themselves didn't start till the 90s), bowl games, playoffs). The lazy folks at the NCAA never went back and adjusted records to reflect post season #s for guys who played prior..

(12-03-2014 08:59 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Vad will be the runaway winner. It'll be the second year in a row a JMU players wins the award.

You never know what the voters think. Taylor was just selected as the State of Virginia's Best back by the Richmond TD Club.

Heinicke TD Club of Richmond Offensive Back of the Year

Link .... http://www.odusports.com/ViewArticle.dbm...=209793588

Fuller from VT was the only vt player to make all ACC. I'd say the Dudley is between Heineken, Lee, and Fuller.

http://www.jmusports.com/news/2014/12/8/...40358.aspx

(12-04-2014 11:51 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Fuller from VT was the only vt player to make all ACC. I'd say the Dudley is between Heineken, Lee, and Fuller.

Hey I got something right!

Nice little article on the RTD today as well. I haven't read the whole thing yet, so not sure if they're doing their typical hokie-pimp routine or not. Award is given Wednesday night I believe.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/sports/coll...a6ca1.html

First, congratulations on a great season and on making the playoffs!

To me it looks like the Dudley is between Vad Lee and Taylor Heinicke. No offense to Kenfall Fuller, but his stats don't look all that eye-popping to me.

Lee's and Heinicke's stats are amazingly similar for the most part.

I'll post Lee's stats for handy comparison, although I'm sure you are all aware of them.

Vad Lee in 13 games... 3, 462 passing yards, 30 TD, 60.6% completions, 7 int., sacked 25, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300 + yard games, 826 yds. rushing, 9 rush. TD. Lee had a great year, and did a fantastic job learning a new system and performing within it. He is definitely worthy of this award.

Taylor Heinicke in 12 games... 3, 476 passing yards, 30 TD, 63.2% completions, 16 int., sacked 28, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300+ yard games, 139 yds. rushing, 2 rush. TD. The question coming into this season was whether Heinicke would perform as well against an FBS schedule as he did an FCS schedule. Although his ints. were up a bit, I think most would agree that he acquited himself well in ODU's move to FBS. Heinicke is also worthy of this award.

Kendall Fuller in 12 games... 1 int. 47 yards, Tackles 50 (29 solo/21 assisted,) TFL 4.5. 18 yards, Sacks 2 11 yards, Passes broken up 14. Although Fuller obviously had a great year, I don't believe his raw stats warrant this award over either of the two qb's.

ODU OldTimer - It was stated he was having a down year and then 2 out of your 3 "rankings" are for career stats. The one applicable list is for Passing Yards but you ignore the fact that he threw for almost 550 yards less than last year. Heinicke is also far and away the worst on the passing yard list for TD/INT ratio which went from 4.4, 5, 4.1, 2.9, 5.3, 9 to Heinicke's 1.8. This leads to his overall QB rating 141.8 which puts him in the "elite" ranking of #53 among QBs with 50+ pass attempts. Throw in Cardale Jones and Heinicke drops to #54.

Last year his TD/INT ratio was 4.1 and QB rating of 158.8 which was #16 of QBs with 50+ attempts. When your TDs drop, INTs double, and your QB rating ranking goes from 16 to 53, it is very easy to say "he is having a down year".

Vad Lee has thrown 30 TDs, 7 INTs, 3,462 yards and ran for 9 TDs and 826 yards.
Heinicke has thrown 30 TDs, 16 INTs, 3,476 yards and ran for 2 TDs and 139 yards, with 1 less game.
IF Heinicke wins this award, it will be based on his past success and not this year's performance.

Links....
http://espn.go.com/college-football/team...n-monarchs
http://jmusports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3256

(12-08-2014 01:19 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  First, congratulations on a great season and on making the playoffs!

To me it looks like the Dudley is between Vad Lee and Taylor Heinicke. No offense to Kenfall Fuller, but his stats don't look all that eye-popping to me.

Lee's and Heinicke's stats are amazingly similar for the most part.

I'll post Lee's stats for handy comparison, although I'm sure you are all aware of them.

Vad Lee in 13 games... 3, 462 passing yards, 30 TD, 60.6% completions, 7 int., sacked 25, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300 + yard games, 183 yds. rushing, 9 rush. TD. Lee had a great year, and did a fantastic job learning a new system and performing within it. He is definitely worthy of this award.

Taylor Heinicke in 12 games... 3, 476 passing yards, 30 TD, 63.2% completions, 16 int., sacked 28, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300+ yard games, 139 yds. rushing, 2 rush. TD. The question coming into this season was whether Heinicke would perform as well against an FBS schedule as he did an FCS schedule. Although his ints. were up a bit, I think most would agree that he acquited himself well in ODU's move to FBS. Heinicke is also worthy of this award.

Kendall Fuller in 12 games... 1 int. 47 yards, Tackles 50 (29 solo/21 assisted,) TFL 4.5. 18 yards, Sacks 2 11 yards, Passes broken up 14. Although Fuller obviously had a great year, I don't believe his raw stats warrant this award over either of the two qb's.

Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

(12-08-2014 01:19 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  ..............
Vad Lee in 13 games... 3, 462 passing yards, 30 TD, 60.6% completions, 7 int., sacked 25, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300 + yard games, 183 yds. rushing, 9 rush. TD. Lee had a great year, and did a fantastic job learning a new system and performing within it. He is definitely worthy of this award.

Taylor Heinicke in 12 games... 3, 476 passing yards, 30 TD, 63.2% completions, 16 int., sacked 28, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300+ yard games, 139 yds. rushing, 2 rush. TD. The question coming into this season was whether Heinicke would perform as well against an FBS schedule as he did an FCS schedule. Although his ints. were up a bit, I think most would agree that he acquited himself well in ODU's move to FBS. Heinicke is also worthy of this award.
...........

I wish I had waited to read your post before looking the stats up myself but I couldn't agree more, "definitely" > "also".

I'll add that if Heinicke's stats last year were not good enough to win the award, you cannot give it to him this year with worst stats and when another QB has "better" (depending which side of the state you went to school) stats.

Edit: Add my boilerplate from my prior post. "IF Heinicke wins this award, it will be based on his past success and not this year's performance."

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:19 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  First, congratulations on a great season and on making the playoffs!

To me it looks like the Dudley is between Vad Lee and Taylor Heinicke. No offense to Kenfall Fuller, but his stats don't look all that eye-popping to me.

Lee's and Heinicke's stats are amazingly similar for the most part.

I'll post Lee's stats for handy comparison, although I'm sure you are all aware of them.

Vad Lee in 13 games... 3, 462 passing yards, 30 TD, 60.6% completions, 7 int., sacked 25, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300 + yard games, 183 yds. rushing, 9 rush. TD. Lee had a great year, and did a fantastic job learning a new system and performing within it. He is definitely worthy of this award.

Taylor Heinicke in 12 games... 3, 476 passing yards, 30 TD, 63.2% completions, 16 int., sacked 28, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300+ yard games, 139 yds. rushing, 2 rush. TD. The question coming into this season was whether Heinicke would perform as well against an FBS schedule as he did an FCS schedule. Although his ints. were up a bit, I think most would agree that he acquited himself well in ODU's move to FBS. Heinicke is also worthy of this award.

Kendall Fuller in 12 games... 1 int. 47 yards, Tackles 50 (29 solo/21 assisted,) TFL 4.5. 18 yards, Sacks 2 11 yards, Passes broken up 14. Although Fuller obviously had a great year, I don't believe his raw stats warrant this award over either of the two qb's.

Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

I fixed my post to reflect Lee's actual rushing yardage (826.) Thank you. As my post indicated, I believe either Lee or Heinicke to be a worthy recepient of this years Dudley Award.

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

That's his gained yards. Net is 826 yards. The ODU poster looks like he took Vad's rushing attempts, not yards.

Vad has a clear edge in several major categories.

Total Yards/game (Passing + Rushing):
Vad: 329.85
TH: 301.25

TDs/game:
Vad: 3.00
TH: 2.67

INTs/game:
Vad: 0.54
TH: 1.33

On top of that JMU had a more successful season relatively speaking. However, Heinicke will win if the voters give significantly greater weight to FBS vs. FCS competition.

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:19 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  First, congratulations on a great season and on making the playoffs!

To me it looks like the Dudley is between Vad Lee and Taylor Heinicke. No offense to Kenfall Fuller, but his stats don't look all that eye-popping to me.

Lee's and Heinicke's stats are amazingly similar for the most part.

I'll post Lee's stats for handy comparison, although I'm sure you are all aware of them.

Vad Lee in 13 games... 3, 462 passing yards, 30 TD, 60.6% completions, 7 int., sacked 25, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300 + yard games, 183 yds. rushing, 9 rush. TD. Lee had a great year, and did a fantastic job learning a new system and performing within it. He is definitely worthy of this award.

Taylor Heinicke in 12 games... 3, 476 passing yards, 30 TD, 63.2% completions, 16 int., sacked 28, (2) 400+ yard games, (5) 300+ yard games, 139 yds. rushing, 2 rush. TD. The question coming into this season was whether Heinicke would perform as well against an FBS schedule as he did an FCS schedule. Although his ints. were up a bit, I think most would agree that he acquited himself well in ODU's move to FBS. Heinicke is also worthy of this award.

Kendall Fuller in 12 games... 1 int. 47 yards, Tackles 50 (29 solo/21 assisted,) TFL 4.5. 18 yards, Sacks 2 11 yards, Passes broken up 14. Although Fuller obviously had a great year, I don't believe his raw stats warrant this award over either of the two qb's.

Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

TH has already won the award - in 2012.

(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

That's his gained yards. Net is 826 yards. The ODU poster looks like he took Vad's rushing attempts, not yards.

Vad has a clear edge in several major categories.

Total Yards/game (Passing + Rushing):
Vad: 329.85
TH: 301.25

TDs/game:
Vad: 3.00
TH: 2.67

INTs/game:
Vad: 0.54
TH: 1.33

On top of that JMU had a more successful season relatively speaking. However, Heinicke will win if the voters give significantly greater weight to FBS vs. FCS competition.

His numbers vs FBS will have him win it i think.

Please also take into account Heinicke's stats last year weigh differently due to the time taken out of the UNC game @ the end!

(12-08-2014 05:22 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

That's his gained yards. Net is 826 yards. The ODU poster looks like he took Vad's rushing attempts, not yards.

Vad has a clear edge in several major categories.

Total Yards/game (Passing + Rushing):
Vad: 329.85
TH: 301.25

TDs/game:
Vad: 3.00
TH: 2.67

INTs/game:
Vad: 0.54
TH: 1.33

On top of that JMU had a more successful season relatively speaking. However, Heinicke will win if the voters give significantly greater weight to FBS vs. FCS competition.

His numbers vs FBS will have him win it i think.

i've never understood this type of argument. yes, he's throwing against FBS DB's and being pursued by FBS pass rushers... but he's also being protected by an FBS o-line and throwing to FBS WR's. level of competition should be a wash. i believe Vad will win it.

(12-09-2014 08:41 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:22 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

That's his gained yards. Net is 826 yards. The ODU poster looks like he took Vad's rushing attempts, not yards.

Vad has a clear edge in several major categories.

Total Yards/game (Passing + Rushing):
Vad: 329.85
TH: 301.25

TDs/game:
Vad: 3.00
TH: 2.67

INTs/game:
Vad: 0.54
TH: 1.33

On top of that JMU had a more successful season relatively speaking. However, Heinicke will win if the voters give significantly greater weight to FBS vs. FCS competition.

His numbers vs FBS will have him win it i think.

i've never understood this type of argument. yes, he's throwing against FBS DB's and being pursued by FBS pass rushers... but he's also being protected by an FBS o-line and throwing to FBS WR's. level of competition should be a wash. i believe Vad will win it.

I wouldnt call those players FBS players yet , they have years before we can say that . I watched him play vs NC State and he made offense go against a ACC bowl team.

(12-08-2014 08:01 PM)bobbyjmu Wrote:  Please also take into account Heinicke's stats last year weigh differently due to the time taken out of the UNC game @ the end!

You could say he's still stuck in 2013, since that season never ended.

(12-09-2014 08:41 AM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:22 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:52 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 01:28 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Vad has 1000+ rushing yards, not 183. Other than that and INTs, the stats are very similar. I predict TH will get it - sort of a lifetime achievement award.

That's his gained yards. Net is 826 yards. The ODU poster looks like he took Vad's rushing attempts, not yards.

Vad has a clear edge in several major categories.

Total Yards/game (Passing + Rushing):
Vad: 329.85
TH: 301.25

TDs/game:
Vad: 3.00
TH: 2.67

INTs/game:
Vad: 0.54
TH: 1.33

On top of that JMU had a more successful season relatively speaking. However, Heinicke will win if the voters give significantly greater weight to FBS vs. FCS competition.

His numbers vs FBS will have him win it i think.

i've never understood this type of argument. yes, he's throwing against FBS DB's and being pursued by FBS pass rushers... but he's also being protected by an FBS o-line and throwing to FBS WR's. level of competition should be a wash. i believe Vad will win it.

wrong, many fcs players playing significant roles on the team. 2 top receivers.... Pascal, Vaughn FCS recruits. ...... o line and d line giving up giving up 25-50 pounds per game.

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Congrats to Vad for winning the Dudley, and much deserved. He progressed all year long from being a one dimensional running QB @ Georgia Tech, to an all around player @ the position for the Dukes. Great work by our coaching staff in assisting w/ that progression. Can't wait to see him dominate next season.