You don't understand that schedules are made before the season starts, so that's the way they have to be judged for fairness? You can't go back later and apply hindsight to say the schedule was unfair, lol.

Not to mention, if Memphis had lost to Cincy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So, since Memphis beat Cincy, now we're being penalized for playing better than people expected?

The top 4 teams, plus Memphis, all played 2 of the 4. Memphis by no measure would have been considered an opponent that would make a schedule unfair, when the schedules were made out. THAT is the essence of your argument, lol.

(11-10-2014 02:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You don't understand that schedules are made before the season starts, so that's the way they have to be judged for fairness? You can't go back later and apply hindsight to say the schedule was unfair, lol.

Not to mention, if Memphis had lost to Cincy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So, since Memphis beat Cincy, now we're being penalized for playing better than people expected?

The top 4 teams, plus Memphis, all played 2 of the 4. Memphis by no measure would have been considered an opponent that would make a schedule unfair, when the schedules were made out. THAT is the essence of your argument, lol.

This is the main gripe by fans of the top 4 teams in this league. They think we got an easy schedule.

(11-10-2014 02:57 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 02:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You don't understand that schedules are made before the season starts, so that's the way they have to be judged for fairness? You can't go back later and apply hindsight to say the schedule was unfair, lol.

Not to mention, if Memphis had lost to Cincy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So, since Memphis beat Cincy, now we're being penalized for playing better than people expected?

The top 4 teams, plus Memphis, all played 2 of the 4. Memphis by no measure would have been considered an opponent that would make a schedule unfair, when the schedules were made out. THAT is the essence of your argument, lol.

This is the main gripe by fans of the top 4 teams in this league. They think we got an easy schedule.

Only those who are logic challenged. Or refuse to be objective. Hell, I believed it, until I actually looked at all the schedules.

(11-10-2014 02:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You don't understand that schedules are made before the season starts, so that's the way they have to be judged for fairness? You can't go back later and apply hindsight to say the schedule was unfair, lol.

Not to mention, if Memphis had lost to Cincy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So, since Memphis beat Cincy, now we're being penalized for playing better than people expected?

The top 4 teams, plus Memphis, all played 2 of the 4. Memphis by no measure would have been considered an opponent that would make a schedule unfair, when the schedules were made out. THAT is the essence of your argument, lol.

again you are talking from preseason perspective...why in the hell are we using a preseason perspective in deciding schedule strength after games have already been played

you beat cincy which showed you were a good team
it doesnt matter if the schedules were planned to be fair (tell that to temple)...
back to my argument with ole miss and miss state (vs team 1)... a&m and SCe (vs team 2)..if we are basing scheduling strenghth off "preseason" competitive balance the second team would have gotten the harder schedule..but the season actually happened so we know the team with ole miss and miss state played the harder schedule

and for something that is seemingly going over your head is if ole miss and miss state didnt win the games it did and played the way they were "expected" then yes the second schedule would be harder.. i dont get the "we were expected to be bad, but we ended up good, so any teams that played us, dont get credit for playing the good team that is us (but we get credit for playing them)"....that is weak

the sense of your argument is riduculous to me... the schedule made preseason was made for competitive balance based on preseason projections, it clearly didnt workout that way like all preseason projections and you got an easier schedules than everyone else based on how everyone turned out...but your entire argument which is the weakest is basically saying according to preseason projected strenghth its basically the same schedule strength, because the preseason projections said so....what????
its doesnt matter if it was a fair or not or planned or not, but memphis got a weaker conference schedule..fact

(11-10-2014 03:21 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 02:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You don't understand that schedules are made before the season starts, so that's the way they have to be judged for fairness? You can't go back later and apply hindsight to say the schedule was unfair, lol.

Not to mention, if Memphis had lost to Cincy, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. So, since Memphis beat Cincy, now we're being penalized for playing better than people expected?

The top 4 teams, plus Memphis, all played 2 of the 4. Memphis by no measure would have been considered an opponent that would make a schedule unfair, when the schedules were made out. THAT is the essence of your argument, lol.

again you are talking from preseason perspective...why in the hell are we using a preseason perspective in deciding schedule strength after games have already been played

you beat cincy which showed you were a good team
it doesnt matter if the schedules were planned to be fair (tell that to temple)...
back to my argument with ole miss and miss state (vs team 1)... a&m and SCe (vs team 2)..if we are basing scheduling strenghth off "preseason" competitive balance the second team would have gotten the harder schedule..but the season actually happened so we know the team with ole miss and miss state played the harder schedule

and for something that is seemingly going over your head is if ole miss and miss state didnt win the games it did and played the way they were "expected" then yes the second schedule would be harder.. i dont get the "we were expected to be bad, but we ended up good, so any teams that played us, dont get credit for playing the good team that is us (but we get credit for playing them)"....that is weak

the sense of your argument is riduculous to me... the schedule made preseason was made for competitive balance based on preseason projections, it clearly didnt workout that way like all preseason projections and you got an easier schedules than everyone else based on how everyone turned out...but your entire argument which is the weakest is basically saying according to preseason projected strenghth its basically the same schedule strength, because the preseason projections said so....what????
its doesnt matter if it was a fair or not or planned or not, but memphis got a weaker conference schedule..fact

Look pesik, this is pretty simple.

You're blaming us for having an easier conference schedule than other programs.

1. We didn't set the conference schedule, we're playing the games that the conference assigned to us.
2. The preseason picks had us playing as tough of a schedule as most. The reason that TripleA and others, including me keep repeating preseason picked is that schedules are assigned in preseason.

Did preseason picks turn out to be fully accurate?....NO.

Do we have an easier schedule than some?.....YES.

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the conference office, but QUIT blaming Memphis on its conference schedule, you're only making yourself look foolish, over and over again.

Most people understand exactly why we keep repeating the "preseason picks". I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the thought process or who is responsible for conference scheduling.

I'm through discussing it or bending over backwards in attempting to be reasonable in dealing with a knucklehead through this discussion.

old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

(11-10-2014 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

(11-10-2014 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

We weren't suppose to win this many games and have victories against Cincy and Temple. Heck I think SMU was considered a loss. You can't be mad that Memphis became a wildcard this year.

There's no use in arguing over conference schedules. The truth is, no one has really stepped up and shown separation from the pack. Whoever wins the conference this year will probably be the team who catches the most lucky breaks. Next year will be much better with the conference championship game. The "one true champion" model that the Big 12 trumpets is a bunch of BS.

(11-10-2014 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

Geez, dude, stop twisting my words, and making strawman arguments to argue against. Go back and read my statement. Here, let me help you:

"This poll is about to become irrelevant anyway, b/c the conference standings are starting to tell the story."

I didn't claim the current standings are definitive. I simply said we are getting to the point (3 more games) where these polls will be beside the point, b/c the schedule will be done.

First you say we can't use preseason (even though that's when the schedule is made), and we can't use current results, either, and Memphis'schedule is unfair b/c they are better than people expected.

That's just beyond ridiculous logic. That's somewhere in the twilight zone.

(11-10-2014 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

Geez, dude, stop twisting my words, and making strawman arguments to argue against. Go back and read my statement. Here, let me help you:

"This poll is about to become irrelevant anyway, b/c the conference standings are starting to tell the story."

I didn't claim the current standings are definitive. I simply said we are getting to the point (3 more games) where these polls will be beside the point, b/c the schedule will be done.

First you say we can't use preseason (even though that's when the schedule is made), and we can't use current results, either, and Memphis'schedule is unfair b/c they are better than people expected.

That's just beyond ridiculous logic. That's somewhere in the twilight zone.

It's a shame he isn't understanding where you are coming from with your statement. Hopefully you broke it down simple enough for him.

(11-10-2014 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  old tiger i never blamed memphis for the schedule, and even pointed out that it wasnt fair..and honestly if memphis won a conference championship id congratulate you guys becuase id think youd deserve it, and are a good team

my whole point was simple refuting the claim that the conference standing was somehow the end all be all of who is better, especially coming from a memphis fan who had an easier confernce schedule, basically using a stat in which they had the edge....

Geez, dude, stop twisting my words, and making strawman arguments to argue against. Go back and read my statement. Here, let me help you:

"This poll is about to become irrelevant anyway, b/c the conference standings are starting to tell the story."

I didn't claim the current standings are definitive. I simply said we are getting to the point (3 more games) where these polls will be beside the point, b/c the schedule will be done.

First you say we can't use preseason (even though that's when the schedule is made), and we can't use current results, either, and Memphis'schedule is unfair b/c they are better than people expected.

That's just beyond ridiculous logic. That's somewhere in the twilight zone.

where did i say we can't use current results to evaluate schedules?

You didn't say "Memphis fans want to use the conference standings?" (Which, BTW, I did NOT say, as I explained twice already).You claimed that the standings aren't fair, b/c the schedule is not fair. Go back and look.

I suppose you will say that when the season's over, too, b/c the schedulers had the audacity to schedule the season, before the season actually started.

I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

(11-10-2014 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You didn't say "Memphis fans want to use the conference standings?" (Which, BTW, I did NOT say, as I explained twice already).You claimed that the standings aren't fair, b/c the schedule is not fair. Go back and look.

I suppose you will say that when the season's over, too, b/c the schedulers had the audacity to schedule the season, before the season actually started.

I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

dude you are just throwing random irrational statements out there as if i said those things when i didnt and twisteing everything i said to fit those statements

and the wierd part is in that same post you say i twisted your words.... hypocritical much

i simply stated ..memphis will play an easier conference schedule than all the other top teams, that is a fact and that you cant simply base your rankings on standings for numerous reasons, 1 being that some teams have had easier conference schedules than others, that is all i stated...everything you said above is you just making things up or twisting word and then being a hypocrite about it afterwards

you are the one bringing illogical statements into the equation, "well it was scheduled preseason, so by preseason standards we all played the same schedule of difficulty" "we are being punished for being good" ..you give memphis credit for playing some of the the harder teams but give no one credit for playing memphis, who is one of the harder teams.....most of your statements are the illogical ones not mine...

(11-10-2014 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ...
I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

Yes, I don't mind having a reasonable debate but from where I was sitting; there was nothing reasonable about that long exchange.

(11-10-2014 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You didn't say "Memphis fans want to use the conference standings?" (Which, BTW, I did NOT say, as I explained twice already).You claimed that the standings aren't fair, b/c the schedule is not fair. Go back and look.

I suppose you will say that when the season's over, too, b/c the schedulers had the audacity to schedule the season, before the season actually started.

I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

dude you are just throwing random irrational statements out there as if i said those things when i didnt and twisteing everything i said to fit those statements

and the wierd part is in that same post you say i twisted your words.... hypocritical much

i simply stated ..memphis will play an easier conference schedule than all the other top teams, that is a fact and that you cant simply base your rankings on standings for numerous reasons, 1 being that some teams have had easier conference schedules than others, that is all i stated...everything you said above is you just making things up or twisting word and then being a hypocrite about it afterwards

you are the one bringing illogical statements into the equation, "well it was scheduled preseason, so by preseason standards we all played the same schedule of difficulty" "we are being punished for being good" ..you give memphis credit for playing some of the the harder teams but give no one credit for playing memphis, who is one of the harder teams.....most of your statements are the illogical ones not mine...

Just give up

(11-10-2014 08:20 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You didn't say "Memphis fans want to use the conference standings?" (Which, BTW, I did NOT say, as I explained twice already).You claimed that the standings aren't fair, b/c the schedule is not fair. Go back and look.

I suppose you will say that when the season's over, too, b/c the schedulers had the audacity to schedule the season, before the season actually started.

I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

dude you are just throwing random irrational statements out there as if i said those things when i didnt and twisteing everything i said to fit those statements

and the wierd part is in that same post you say i twisted your words.... hypocritical much

i simply stated ..memphis will play an easier conference schedule than all the other top teams, that is a fact and that you cant simply base your rankings on standings for numerous reasons, 1 being that some teams have had easier conference schedules than others, that is all i stated...everything you said above is you just making things up or twisting word and then being a hypocrite about it afterwards

you are the one bringing illogical statements into the equation, "well it was scheduled preseason, so by preseason standards we all played the same schedule of difficulty" "we are being punished for being good" ..you give memphis credit for playing some of the the harder teams but give no one credit for playing memphis, who is one of the harder teams.....most of your statements are the illogical ones not mine...

Just give up

Pesik does not give up. He will argue with you until you wish you never argued with him.

(11-10-2014 08:28 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:20 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 05:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:51 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You didn't say "Memphis fans want to use the conference standings?" (Which, BTW, I did NOT say, as I explained twice already).You claimed that the standings aren't fair, b/c the schedule is not fair. Go back and look.

I suppose you will say that when the season's over, too, b/c the schedulers had the audacity to schedule the season, before the season actually started.

I quit. I need a double face plant icon. Seriously. Say whatever you want. Bye...

dude you are just throwing random irrational statements out there as if i said those things when i didnt and twisteing everything i said to fit those statements

and the wierd part is in that same post you say i twisted your words.... hypocritical much

i simply stated ..memphis will play an easier conference schedule than all the other top teams, that is a fact and that you cant simply base your rankings on standings for numerous reasons, 1 being that some teams have had easier conference schedules than others, that is all i stated...everything you said above is you just making things up or twisting word and then being a hypocrite about it afterwards

you are the one bringing illogical statements into the equation, "well it was scheduled preseason, so by preseason standards we all played the same schedule of difficulty" "we are being punished for being good" ..you give memphis credit for playing some of the the harder teams but give no one credit for playing memphis, who is one of the harder teams.....most of your statements are the illogical ones not mine...

Just give up

Pesik does not give up. He will argue with you until you wish you never argued with him.

(11-10-2014 08:38 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:28 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  Pesik does not give up. He will argue with you until you wish you never argued with him.

don't pretend like you guys don't love me

(11-10-2014 08:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:38 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 08:28 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  Pesik does not give up. He will argue with you until you wish you never argued with him.

don't pretend like you guys don't love me

Yeah, you're sorta like the class clown, now that you mention it.