My mom is from ohio and hated the buckeyes so much that it rubbed off on to me. How great my hate may be i will not chose to live in a false reality, this is the bucks conference they proved it tonight. The real question is can the committee forgive the VT loss or does this guara[/size]ntee no big ten teams in the playoffs

Well, I think we should all hope for Alabama to beat Miss State, Ole Miss to beat Miss State, for Auburn to beat Alabama and for Georgia to beat Auburn during their regular season game.

If the SEC has that happen then I don't think the Committee will put a 2 loss SEC champ in over Ohio State despite the argument that could be made about the 2 loss SEC champ being a better team.

If that happens, the committee will say its "conference strength of schedule" and still put a two loss SEC champion in. What the Bucks have to hope for is that the committee only picks one SEC school and either the PAC-12, ACC or Big12 champion lays a bigger egg than the Buckeyes did in week 2 of the season ...

... the upside for the Buckeyes in that scenario is that the "strongest team at the time" brigade can say that VT was a learning experience on playing against man-on-man coverage and the extra body it puts in the box, and that the MSU game showed that he learned his lessons.

(11-09-2014 08:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  If that happens, the committee will say its "conference strength of schedule" and still put a two loss SEC champion in. What the Bucks have to hope for is that the committee only picks one SEC school and either the PAC-12, ACC or Big12 champion lays a bigger egg than the Buckeyes did in week 2 of the season ...

... the upside for the Buckeyes in that scenario is that the "strongest team at the time" brigade can say that VT was a learning experience on playing against man-on-man coverage and the extra body it puts in the box, and that the MSU game showed that he learned his lessons.

I disagree. In fact I think the Committee may find their hands tied to some degree. Remember, in the end the Major Conferences run this Committee through the Executive Director.

It does depend upon just how dominant Ohio State wins against the rest of their regular season foes and how strong their win is in the Conference Championship but the Committee has shown a strong propensity to looking at the number of losses.

If the SEC beats itself up to the point of having nothing but 2 loss teams then it can only blame itself for not getting a team in. They are not going to overlook a dominant conference champion Ohio State team for an SEC team that couldn't beat two of their conference foes, especially if those defeats are to teams in their own division. They are looking for a National Champ not just a quality addition to the tournament.

Ohio State lost early and since then has been pretty dominant in their games. That is what the Committee wants, game control. Alabama has shown they don't always have game control. Miss State really is the only team that has but if they get two late season losses then that really doesn't bode well for their condition at the end of the season.

Late season losses hurt much more than a week 2 loss.

(11-10-2014 01:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  It does depend upon just how dominant Ohio State wins against the rest of their regular season foes and how strong their win is in the Conference Championship but the Committee has shown a strong propensity to looking at the number of losses.

If the SEC beats itself up to the point of having nothing but 2 loss teams then it can only blame itself for not getting a team in.

If the SEC champion is a two-loss school, and if the SEC champion were to not be selected, then the SEC would indeed only have itself to blame (though of course that would not prevent it from blaming everyone and everything but itself) ...
... but I reckon even a two-loss SEC champion is short odds favorite of ending up getting picked. The good news would be having only one SEC school in the CFP, and not two.

Easier said than done, of course, but where a strong close to the season and a dominant win in the CCG would really boost OSU's chances would be if one among the PAC-12, Big-12 or ACC have a loss that looks even worse than OSU's loss to VTech ... and the stronger OSU looks in November / early December, the easier it becomes to chalk the VTech loss as young QB jitters in his first game in front of the home crowd in the Horseshoe.

I reckon that Buckeyes fans should definitely cheer for the other OSU next weekend ... if Baylor drops the Big12 championship into TCU's lap after beating TCU in conference play, that would make TCU vulnerable to being passed by a strong CCG win, since an open date, UTexas and Iowa State coming up does not give TCU as many additional opportunities to impress.

(11-10-2014 01:10 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  If the SEC beats itself up to the point of having nothing but 2 loss teams then it can only blame itself for not getting a team in. They are not going to overlook a dominant conference champion Ohio State team for an SEC team that couldn't beat two of their conference foes, especially if those defeats are to teams in their own division. They are looking for a National Champ not just a quality addition to the tournament.

Ohio State lost early and since then has been pretty dominant in their games. That is what the Committee wants, game control. Alabama has shown they don't always have game control. Miss State really is the only team that has but if they get two late season losses then that really doesn't bode well for their condition at the end of the season.

Late season losses hurt much more than a week 2 loss.

I think we will see that the selection committee works a little differently than the polls and BCS rankings to which we are accustomed. Quality wins and quality losses will make the most difference, not necessarily the number of losses.

The SEC West still has a lot of opportunities for both quality wins and losses down the stretch. Miss St. v. Alabama, Auburn v. Georgia (with Gurley back), Alabama v. Auburn, Ole Miss v. Miss St.

Besides the SEC contenders, Ohio St. would also need to jump TCU, Kansas St., and Baylor. Ohio St. may jump one or two of the Big 12 contenders, but they will not jump all three. What about the PAC 12? Ohio St. could jump either Oregon or ASU if either gets 2 more losses. But, that would likely mean that either UCLA or Arizona jump ahead of Ohio St.

I just don't see many scenarios where Ohio St. reaches the playoff.

(11-11-2014 01:16 PM)YNot Wrote:  Besides the SEC contenders, Ohio St. would also need to jump TCU, Kansas St., and Baylor. Ohio St. may jump one or two of the Big 12 contenders, but they will not jump all three. What about the PAC 12? Ohio St. could jump either Oregon or ASU if either gets 2 more losses. But, that would likely mean that either UCLA or Arizona jump ahead of Ohio St.

I just don't see many scenarios where Ohio St. reaches the playoff.

Kansas State is 7-2, and OSU has already passed them.

One of Oregon and Arizona State will be passed automatically if OSU wins out, since only one of each pair can win their CCG. And after this coming weekend, it will be either a 9-1 Mississippi State or a two loss Bama. OSU will pass a two loss Bama, while for a 9-1 Mississippi State, it will depend on how they lose.

And with the two Big12 schools 4 and 7, at most one Big 12 school is going to be picked. So our "hypothetical" OSU that wins out is most likely a de facto 5th, or in the worst case a de facto 6th.

The current vanilla bracket for the top four is 1. Mississippi v 4. TCU, 2. Oregon v. 3. Florida State.

Scenario One: Duke takes out FSU in the ACC CCG.
Scenario Two: TCU stumbles, Baylor stumbles, Baylor wins Big12 with 2 losses.
Scenario Three: TCU stumbles, Baylor wins but weakly against OkSU and KS State.
Scenario Four: The Big12 goes to form, and the Committee punts on picking TCU for the CFP over Conference Champion Baylor by putting TCU 5th and Baylor 6th (also, by the way, setting the cat amongst the pigeons regarding a Big12 CCG).
Scenario Five: Arizona takes out Arizona State, Oregon loses to a 2-loss PAC12 south school in the CCG.
Scenario Six: Smoky catches a big time FSU player driving 110mph and blowing twice the legal limit (or holding something that is not legal) ... over the line in Georgia, and FSU loses a game they should win in the middle of the turmoil.

Sh!t happens in College Football. The odds of any particular stumble are long odds, but the odds of somebody stumbling and opening up the spot for OSU to step into are much shorter.

Its still long odds overall, since its not 100% that OSU will position itself to take that step. A loss in the CCG, its over. With a CFP committee that values the quality of the win, a non-convincing win over a rival seen as mediocre in the CCG, and it might be over. A weak performance in The Game (which could in fact be a strong performance by TSUN, but given their record, "allowing" them to "put on a strong performance" will still be a knock against the Buckeyes), it might be over.

By contrast, whether or not there is a stumble by "some other team", Mississippi State, Oregon, FSU, Bama and Arizona State have their future in their hands.

I believe the Huskers Buckeyes B 10 conference title game will be quite epic. Nebraska has assembled a talented team as well

Badgers- Buckeyes

Should be a good game, UW with the upper hand with Barrett out.

UW may have had the upper hand, but luckily the running attack of Elliott backed by Dunn, Samuel and Jones was able to set up the pass and Devin Smith was able to seal the deal.

After that game how can the Buckeyes be left out of the playoff?

They wont be. They are the easy choice for the Committee when you look at how hard it would be for them to choose either Baylor or TCU over the other.

I think they move Oregon to #1 due to them getting revenge for their only loss on the season. A traditional Rose Bowl to kick off the CFP.