Hi everyone. My friends and I run a small blog where we write about mostly baseball, but some of us are MAC hoops fans, so we're putting out some MAC hoops stuff, too. Our first one is an All MAC-Last-20-Years Team. Hope you like it!

http://vlad4mvp.wordpress.com/2014/11/09...-3rd-team/

2nd Team was just posted! Follow us on twitter especially if you also enjoy baseball. Hope you enjoy the list!

http://vlad4mvp.wordpress.com/2014/11/11...-2nd-team/

only player in NCAA history with 2000 points/900 assists/600 rebounds/300 steals, top 20 in NCAA history in both Assists and Steals, 95 career wins, 5th in total points (last 20 years), MAC FOY, MAC POY, 3X MAC 1st team, MAC Tournament MVP, 2X MAC Tournament Champ, 3 NCAA Tournament wins, ...and that's not one of the top 5 players in the last 20 years in the MAC? lol, ok.

Who exactly would you take him over that is left? Cooper is obviously a stud, but the remaining guys were also studs in a much better MAC. Bonzi Wells is a bigger first team snub than Cooper is, IMO.

(11-11-2014 12:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Who exactly would you take him over that is left? Cooper is obviously a stud, but the remaining guys were also studs in a much better MAC. Bonzi Wells is a bigger first team snub than Cooper is, IMO.

I agree that Wells out of the top five is at least a slight snub. I'd also say that Antonio Daniels was an even better PG than Cooper, so putting Cooper on the second team seems more than fair. Stats aren't everything. Cooper was a once-a-decade talent for a program, but they're making a very elite list.

We were looking more at talent than stats. And we were looking at players' peak seasons, so being good for four years is no better than being good for one year for the sake of these teams. I think when people see the first team, though you might not agree with all the picks, you'll agree they were tough calls (especially Bonzi, really only Bonzi.)

I'm assuming Chris Kaman is 1st team...

(11-11-2014 06:54 PM)WMUbroncos Wrote:  We were looking more at talent than stats. And we were looking at players' peak seasons, so being good for four years is no better than being good for one year for the sake of these teams. I think when people see the first team, though you might not agree with all the picks, you'll agree they were tough calls (especially Bonzi, really only Bonzi.)

If you were looking at peak seasons, then the fact that you don't have Antonio Gates on the list, at least on the third team, is pretty bad. His senior year, stats and accomplishments, was better than anything McCrea or Marshall did.

I can dig your first team though, assuming its Earl, Daniels, Trent, Wally, and Kaman. That would be a hell of a squad. Tough call leaving Wells off, but any combo of those 6 guys is hard to argue with, as you said.

EDIT: Unless Trent doesn't qualify (although he graduated in 95) and Gates is on 1st team...then I'll feel dumb :)

(11-11-2014 06:50 PM)Copy Cat Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 12:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Who exactly would you take him over that is left? Cooper is obviously a stud, but the remaining guys were also studs in a much better MAC. Bonzi Wells is a bigger first team snub than Cooper is, IMO.

I agree that Wells out of the top five is at least a slight snub. I'd also say that Antonio Daniels was an even better PG than Cooper, so putting Cooper on the second team seems more than fair. Stats aren't everything. Cooper was a once-a-decade talent for a program, but they're making a very elite list.

Cooper > Daniels in every measurable way- stats, wins, post season, accolades.

Not really. Antonio Daniels' senior season was vastly better statistically than anything Cooper ever did. As the OP mentioned, peak seasons and four year careers are held to the same standard. Daniels scoring 24 points (on a ridiculous 55% from the field) with nearly 7 assists per game his senior year, against much stronger MAC competition, trumps Cooper, as great as DJ was.

(11-12-2014 08:26 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Not really. Antonio Daniels' senior season was vastly better statistically than anything Cooper ever did. As the OP mentioned, peak seasons and four year careers are held to the same standard. Daniels scoring 24 points (on a ridiculous 55% from the field) with nearly 7 assists per game his senior year, against much stronger MAC competition, trumps Cooper, as great as DJ was.

Well, I'm going to ask the definition of peak then. Is it the above or is it:


Cooper averaged 21.0 points, 6.67 assists, 1.67 steals on 57% shooting (50% from 3) in wins against Georgetown, Michigan and USF in the NCAA tournament. He led his team to a 10-2 record in the MAC tournament including three championship games and two tournament wins.

Anybody want to rattle off Antonio Daniels' signature wins?

Daniels led his team to a 2-4 record in the MAC tournament and zero championship game appearances. Their four losses were by an average of more than 13 points. He had zero postseason victories.

(11-12-2014 11:51 AM)OUVan Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 08:26 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Not really. Antonio Daniels' senior season was vastly better statistically than anything Cooper ever did. As the OP mentioned, peak seasons and four year careers are held to the same standard. Daniels scoring 24 points (on a ridiculous 55% from the field) with nearly 7 assists per game his senior year, against much stronger MAC competition, trumps Cooper, as great as DJ was.

Well, I'm going to ask the definition of peak then. Is it the above or is it:


Cooper averaged 21.0 points, 6.67 assists, 1.67 steals on 57% shooting (50% from 3) in wins against Georgetown, Michigan and USF in the NCAA tournament. He led his team to a 10-2 record in the MAC tournament including three championship games and two tournament wins.

Anybody want to rattle off Antonio Daniels' signature wins?

Daniels led his team to a 2-4 record in the MAC tournament and zero championship game appearances. Their four losses were by an average of more than 13 points. He had zero postseason victories.

That's really cherry picking, particularly given the fact that the league was vastly better in Daniels' era. Besides, this is about the best PLAYERS, not the best teams. Antonio Daniels was a lottery pick and the first PG drafted in that year, then he proceeded to have a great NBA career. You just look like a homer by trying to make a case based on a handful of games. Daniels was a better guard and it really isn't that close.

Come on, Antonio Daniels was I think the second pick in the NBA draft. Where is DJ playing this year? Plus Bonzi was a far better player than DJ. In the late 90's the MAC was a far better league, many NBA players piling up great seasons. DJ was almost as good as a freshman as he was as a SR, plus in this day and age teams play quite a few more games, thus DJ played in far more games than any of the other stars, thus his big career totals. By the way, as much as I love Earl Boykins, Bonzi should be listed ahead of him.

Where is Ron Harper on this list?

Too old. Not in last 20.

I would have put Devin Davis ahead of most of the third team guys.

(11-13-2014 10:47 PM)DICK Wrote:  I would have put Devin Davis ahead of most of the third team guys.

Maybe Stempin as well but the further down you go the more arguments you can make. Davis was a tough customer, not as skilled as some but hardnosed and good work ethic. I liked watching him play.

Somewhere on these 3 teams, you have to have Trevor Huffman and Antonio Gates. They led a team that beat the champions of the Southeast, Big 12, Big East Conferences in the NCAA tournament. They were all Regional.

Hi everyone. Just finished the 1st team! Hope you like it! Someone here guessed the team.

https://vlad4mvp.wordpress.com/2014/11/1...-1st-team/

No kent state guys.. Wow.