(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

(11-09-2014 07:27 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Game was in Boston so...can't pin that one on Cards fans.

UCF? I'm not anti-UCF, but I've been outspoken about not liking your coach. In fact I'll be honest in the interest of full disclosure: The only other coach in all of college athletics I find scummier is Calipari. Don't worry though, I think Jimbo Fisher is quickly rising to #2. It has less to do with the win you guys had over us and more about how O'Leary handled the DeMarcus Smith situation. Stuck in my craw a little, but I'm glad to see the NCAA handle it. Also, associating with Brandon Bender in basketball won't make many friends in Louisville.

As for why I don't think UCF should move up, it's not that I don't think they should. Overall, especially in football, I feel the Knights have things heading in a very positive direction. What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already.What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already. It's not that I don't think either have anything to offer another conference, it's a matter of...which conference? The ACC has FSU and Miami, the SEC has the Gators. The only option really would be the BigXII, which I suppose is possible, it's just not the direction I personally would go if I were them. Hey, it's one man's opinion and it's not like I have any say in the matter anyhow right? You asked, I'm simply being honest. I think right now, Memphis and Cincinnati would offer the most overall value and by simply adding those two the BigXII could remain small yet gain their conference championship game. I don't see them going to 14 for the sake of going to 14 because they barely want to go to 12 for the same of an extra game that could help them in the playoff situation down the line sometime. That's just my take. Ultimately though, I try and save my trolling for the Realignment board. I come here, as I've said, because I'm still genuinely interested in a lot of the schools in the American.

Quote: "What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already."
Your right, but you should've added the Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bucs and Jackassville Jags to the list of teams holding them back. USF will never go anywhere (one man's opinion) because of the Tampa Bucs and no OCS etc....UCF has a chance due to Orlando not having an NFL team. It would've been great for UCF had the city decided not to pump $$ into the Citrus Dump. That would've consolidated all power in Orlando to UCF. Instead, with the Citrus Bowl open, you still have bowl games that don't include UCF and neutral site games with SEC powers--and other P5 schools--which keeps UCF from fully saturating the Orlando market.

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

(11-09-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

If we win the next contract will reflect that

(11-09-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

BigHouston, Why then didn't CUSA get rewarded $$$ when they were full of huge outstanding markets? (our market included)
Over the years CUSA had the following markets but lousy tv $:
Houston
Dallas
Chicago--Depaul
Cincinnati
Tampa
New Orleans
Orlando
St Louis
Milwaukee--Marquette
Louisville
Charlotte
Memphis
El Paso
What has changed that suddenly has the a majority of the same markets that couldn't get the big bucks then, now worthy of the big bucks now?

(11-09-2014 01:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 07:27 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Game was in Boston so...can't pin that one on Cards fans.

UCF? I'm not anti-UCF, but I've been outspoken about not liking your coach. In fact I'll be honest in the interest of full disclosure: The only other coach in all of college athletics I find scummier is Calipari. Don't worry though, I think Jimbo Fisher is quickly rising to #2. It has less to do with the win you guys had over us and more about how O'Leary handled the DeMarcus Smith situation. Stuck in my craw a little, but I'm glad to see the NCAA handle it. Also, associating with Brandon Bender in basketball won't make many friends in Louisville.

As for why I don't think UCF should move up, it's not that I don't think they should. Overall, especially in football, I feel the Knights have things heading in a very positive direction. What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already.What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already. It's not that I don't think either have anything to offer another conference, it's a matter of...which conference? The ACC has FSU and Miami, the SEC has the Gators. The only option really would be the BigXII, which I suppose is possible, it's just not the direction I personally would go if I were them. Hey, it's one man's opinion and it's not like I have any say in the matter anyhow right? You asked, I'm simply being honest. I think right now, Memphis and Cincinnati would offer the most overall value and by simply adding those two the BigXII could remain small yet gain their conference championship game. I don't see them going to 14 for the sake of going to 14 because they barely want to go to 12 for the same of an extra game that could help them in the playoff situation down the line sometime. That's just my take. Ultimately though, I try and save my trolling for the Realignment board. I come here, as I've said, because I'm still genuinely interested in a lot of the schools in the American.

Quote: "What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already."
Your right, but you should've added the Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bucs and Jackassville Jags to the list of teams holding them back. USF will never go anywhere (one man's opinion) because of the Tampa Bucs and no OCS etc....UCF has a chance due to Orlando not having an NFL team. It would've been great for UCF had the city decided not to pump $$ into the Citrus Dump. That would've consolidated all power in Orlando to UCF. Instead, with the Citrus Bowl open, you still have bowl games that don't include UCF and neutral site games with SEC powers--and other P5 schools--which keeps UCF from fully saturating the Orlando market.

I do follow your logic. I don't think the dolphins or the jags really impact is or usf. The jags are actually making a concerted effort to capture Ucf fans as their nfl team. I also know usf was doing well in Tampa when they were winning with a stratospheric rise. Ours has been more slow and steady and therefore I think more stable. The fans we have that go to games are the regulars. The OCS also helped engrain football and the experience to the students. All the current students know is the memory mall tailgating and the football experience as it is today. Winning on a national level helps reinforce that. Our average living alumn is very young. (I think it's 27) so we are pumping out knight fans first and have been for some time. This has begun and will continue to help within the next ten years. My sons generation is the first that will experience a nationally relevant icf and one where our children grow up as knights fans.

(11-09-2014 02:01 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 07:27 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Game was in Boston so...can't pin that one on Cards fans.

UCF? I'm not anti-UCF, but I've been outspoken about not liking your coach. In fact I'll be honest in the interest of full disclosure: The only other coach in all of college athletics I find scummier is Calipari. Don't worry though, I think Jimbo Fisher is quickly rising to #2. It has less to do with the win you guys had over us and more about how O'Leary handled the DeMarcus Smith situation. Stuck in my craw a little, but I'm glad to see the NCAA handle it. Also, associating with Brandon Bender in basketball won't make many friends in Louisville.

As for why I don't think UCF should move up, it's not that I don't think they should. Overall, especially in football, I feel the Knights have things heading in a very positive direction. What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already.What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already. It's not that I don't think either have anything to offer another conference, it's a matter of...which conference? The ACC has FSU and Miami, the SEC has the Gators. The only option really would be the BigXII, which I suppose is possible, it's just not the direction I personally would go if I were them. Hey, it's one man's opinion and it's not like I have any say in the matter anyhow right? You asked, I'm simply being honest. I think right now, Memphis and Cincinnati would offer the most overall value and by simply adding those two the BigXII could remain small yet gain their conference championship game. I don't see them going to 14 for the sake of going to 14 because they barely want to go to 12 for the same of an extra game that could help them in the playoff situation down the line sometime. That's just my take. Ultimately though, I try and save my trolling for the Realignment board. I come here, as I've said, because I'm still genuinely interested in a lot of the schools in the American.

Quote: "What concerns me about the Knights, what I see as holding them and USF both back, is that they're in a very saturated market with three major teams already."
Your right, but you should've added the Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bucs and Jackassville Jags to the list of teams holding them back. USF will never go anywhere (one man's opinion) because of the Tampa Bucs and no OCS etc....UCF has a chance due to Orlando not having an NFL team. It would've been great for UCF had the city decided not to pump $$ into the Citrus Dump. That would've consolidated all power in Orlando to UCF. Instead, with the Citrus Bowl open, you still have bowl games that don't include UCF and neutral site games with SEC powers--and other P5 schools--which keeps UCF from fully saturating the Orlando market.

I do follow your logic. I don't think the dolphins or the jags really impact is or usf. The jags are actually making a concerted effort to capture Ucf fans as their nfl team. I also know usf was doing well in Tampa when they were winning with a stratospheric rise. Ours has been more slow and steady and therefore I think more stable. The fans we have that go to games are the regulars. The OCS also helped engrain football and the experience to the students. All the current students know is the memory mall tailgating and the football experience as it is today. Winning on a national level helps reinforce that. Our average living alumn is very young. (I think it's 27) so we are pumping out knight fans first and have been for some time. This has begun and will continue to help within the next ten years. My sons generation is the first that will experience a nationally relevant icf and one where our children grow up as knights fans.

Also fwiw ecu deserves p5 status IMO

(11-09-2014 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

BigHouston, Why then didn't CUSA get rewarded $$$ when they were full of huge outstanding markets? (our market included)
Over the years CUSA had the following markets but lousy tv $:
Houston
Dallas
Chicago--Depaul
Cincinnati
Tampa
New Orleans
Orlando
St Louis
Milwaukee--Marquette
Louisville
Charlotte
Memphis
El Paso
What has changed that suddenly has the a majority of the same markets that couldn't get the big bucks then, now worthy of the big bucks now?

That is a good question. I will say that cusa was never stable and always considered a pass through. Also contracts have jumped exponentially since we joined. I also think the exposure provided didn't allow us to show what we could do and as such we didn't get a good deal. We signed some very long contracts. Lastly I think that programs have grown. Cusa averages in the mid twenties for attendance and has growing programs. I think we are looked at as more mature and we are also expected to do more. It's up to is to earn it with wins.

Tulane has been on cable TV about six times already. They were only featured once every two years in C-USA.

That difference in exposure is worth more than a few million dollars, folks. Our programs actually exist.

Well, I don't think that the issue of being in a saturated state is a problem unique to UCF and USF. I feel like that's the biggest hindrance to Houston finding their way into a P5 conference as well.

(11-09-2014 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

BigHouston, Why then didn't CUSA get rewarded $$$ when they were full of huge outstanding markets? (our market included)
Over the years CUSA had the following markets but lousy tv $:
Houston
Dallas
Chicago--Depaul
Cincinnati
Tampa
New Orleans
Orlando
St Louis
Milwaukee--Marquette
Louisville
Charlotte
Memphis
El Paso
What has changed that suddenly has the a majority of the same markets that couldn't get the big bucks then, now worthy of the big bucks now?

lol... You right, greed is a nasty drug.

(11-09-2014 02:41 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Well, I don't think that the issue of being in a saturated state is a problem unique to UCF and USF. I feel like that's the biggest hindrance to Houston finding their way into a P5 conference as well.

The difference for Houston is they have 5 p5s with 27m people. Fl has 3 with 19.5 million. Uf's problem is their location and the number of students we have

(11-09-2014 02:41 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Well, I don't think that the issue of being in a saturated state is a problem unique to UCF and USF. I feel like that's the biggest hindrance to Houston finding their way into a P5 conference as well.

Tulane is actually in the biggest trouble out of everyone in the AAC when it comes to saturation. There are FIVE FBS schools serving a population of 4.63 million.

Which is why I don't ever speak of Tulane in terms of getting into a P5, no offense.

Someone mentioned that the American is a legit conference. By and large, I don't disagree. It's certainly better than it gets credit for, IMO.

(11-09-2014 03:42 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Which is why I don't ever speak of Tulane in terms of getting into a P5, no offense.

The only saving grace is that only one of those is currently in a P5 conference.

1 SEC (LSU)
1 AAC (Tulane)
1 C-USA (LaTech)
2 SBC (ULM, ULL)

The only way Tulane gets into a P5 is if they become a "national" type of program in which they pull a little bit from everywhere. They could become a program that sells better on TV than they do at the game. Think: Miami (FL).

Tulane looks destined to play in a "tweener" conference that sits somewhere between a regional conference and a power conference.

There also was once a day in which Tulane AND LSU pulled 70k+. It CAN happen, but the probability is low so it's not worth spending 4 hours to discuss.

(11-08-2014 05:01 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  It's all good. I want to form a nasty rivalry with UConn, and might step up my game to piss them off. Hell, Memphis fans already hate Louisville but we have more hate to give.

Memphis sucks.

UConn wouldn't be a terrible add by any means for either the B1G or the ACC, just need to get football figured out. Literally every thing else is there for UConn BUT the one sport that seems to matter most.

(11-09-2014 04:31 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 05:01 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  It's all good. I want to form a nasty rivalry with UConn, and might step up my game to piss them off. Hell, Memphis fans already hate Louisville but we have more hate to give.

Memphis sucks.

Don't worry, we hate you too. Damn Nick Van Excel!

(11-09-2014 02:08 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:16 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(11-09-2014 01:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  This is a legit solid conference... Why this league isn't getting paid more is beyond me.

I agree with you. I think we would be getting paid Boise money had aresco not traded dollars for exposure. In the long run that pays dividends for our brand. We have to win the access bowl slots though.

... and I agree with you

Don't get me wrong, Aresco getting this league the tv exposure it got was phenomenal, but still, this league is full of huge outstanding markets and should of been rewarded $$$ much much more.

BigHouston, Why then didn't CUSA get rewarded $$$ when they were full of huge outstanding markets? (our market included)
Over the years CUSA had the following markets but lousy tv $:
Houston
Dallas
Chicago--Depaul
Cincinnati
Tampa
New Orleans
Orlando
St Louis
Milwaukee--Marquette
Louisville
Charlotte
Memphis
El Paso
What has changed that suddenly has the a majority of the same markets that couldn't get the big bucks then, now worthy of the big bucks now?

That is a good question. I will say that cusa was never stable and always considered a pass through. Also contracts have jumped exponentially since we joined. I also think the exposure provided didn't allow us to show what we could do and as such we didn't get a good deal. We signed some very long contracts. Lastly I think that programs have grown. Cusa averages in the mid twenties for attendance and has growing programs. I think we are looked at as more mature and we are also expected to do more. It's up to is to earn it with wins.

I agree with the bolded. The pass-through process is something that the commissioner has promoted and encouraged in the past. Perhaps the members may assist him in changing that stance/perception.

However, the world of reality; what else can he do? If USM has 3 straight 11 win seasons, sell-out games, and a bowl win; what could he do to retain the Golden Eagles if the AAC members voted to extend an invitation? There aren't many programs that could demand and get concessions like Boise did; perhaps ND, BYU, or maybe Army.

...and Rabbit_in_Red, keep posting.