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RE: Okay, So What Happens Next? Permutations for Big 12 & ACC with Discussion:
(11-07-2014 02:20 AM)JRsec Wrote: (11-07-2014 02:04 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote: I'd be happy with this and ESPN probably would as well since they would own the ND/UT conference's network and the B1G T1. Just not sure the ACC core VA and NC schools would want it at all or ND if they did not get the NE exposure they wanted. I think the B12 little brothers might like getting out of the shadow of their bigger brothers as well, as long as the games continued OOC. I think that FOX might be the one getting 50% of the PACN, while ESPN gets the B16N in this scenario. I think ESPN would do that trade-off in a New York minute to have the combo of ND and TX and a handful of other national FB and BB brands.
The B12 going bigger to add schools in the NE where ND has it's strongest following, outside of Chicago, might be likely though. Assuming they wanted more of a NE presence and the B1G did not block it by offering first, you might have a big 18.
East: ND, Syracuse, BC, Pitt, Duke, Miami (Duke and Miami would prefer this division I think and all private but for Pitt which is semi-private)
South: FSU, Clemson, GT, WV, Louisville, Cincinnati
West: Texas, OU, KU, ISU, Baylor, BYU, Tulane (could be replaced by many schools if ESPN wanted)
Every division would have a TX or FL school for recruiting. ND gets a division I think they would love. OU and UT stay in the same division. Adds another BB power. Adds NY and MA into the new conference network. Either the 16 or 18 would be a fun conference to follow. Eighteen would probably be ND's favorite so would probably be the pick.
Take a deep breath and answer this sobering question, "In the great scheme of things will North Carolina, Duke, and Virginia be missed in college football?" No.
Would North Carolina, Duke, and Virginia like to give up football and join the Big East? No.
If the other ACC schools get better homes in the SEC and Big 12 what better basketball conference could North Carolina and Virginia join other than the Big 12 where they are reunited with Maryland.
What I'm saying that is sobering here is that North Carolina's, Duke's, and Virginia's gravitas is in academics (U.N.C. presently suffering here) and in hoops. They carry no weight in football matters. The attendance leaders in the ACC are Clemson, F.S.U., Virginia Tech and N.C. State in that order. Their only power in this matter is in their heads. In the end they will shut up, take the money, be thankful for the basketball, and in Carolina's case be thankful for association with the CIC. Duke may or may not be happy in the Big 12, but heck if they Virginia and UNC insisted upon it maybe the Big 10 gives up their only non AAU member to the Big 12 so that Duke can join.
And the question I've posed elsewhere is this, "If you are ESPN do you want to build a viable football conference by placing two powerhouses like N.D. and Texas on the periphery of a major basketball core, or do you put other football teams around a core of two football giants like Oklahoma and Texas?"
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Now for those reading the thread we are talking about a P4 loosely arranged like this:
Big 10:
Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia
Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue, Rutgers
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern
Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
(at 18 Boston College and Duke)
SEC:
Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt
Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M
(at 18 West Virginia and Baylor)
Big 12(16):
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Duke, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Baylor, Brigham Young, Texas, Tulane
Iowa State, Kansas, Louisville, Oklahoma
(at 18 Cincinnati and Syracuse)
PAC 16:
Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern California, Stanford
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
(at 18 New Mexico or a Nevada school)
(if Duke is lost to the Big 10 then Colorado State or East Carolina)
So Let's refresh this a bit. At 16 per conference we have:
Big 10:
Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia
Indiana, Ohio State, Purdue, Rutgers
Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern
Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
At 18 per conference the Big 10 looks like this:
Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame (or Syracuse), Penn State, Virginia
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Rutgers
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
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SEC 16:
Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt
Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M
SEC 18:
Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Missouri, Texas A&M
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Big 16:
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
Duke, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, West Virignia
Baylor, Birgham Young, Texas, Tulane
Iowa State, Kansas, Louisville, Oklahoma
Big 18:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse (or Notre Dame)
Clemson, East Carolina/Wake Forest, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Tulane
Brigham Young, Colorado State/Rice, Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas
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PAC 16:
Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern California, Stanford
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
PAC 18:
Colorado, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah
Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Nevada, New Mexico, Southern California
California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
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Okay let's now use this as a starting points for conversation. Which do you prefer the 16 or 18 team models and why or why not
(This post was last modified: 11-09-2014 02:06 AM by JRsec.)
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