(12-29-2014 09:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:29 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  There's no excuse for this steaming pile of program. NONE. We can no longer blame it on conference affiliation, television exposure or anything else. The blame lies on the fan base as a whole if anything for not giving a **** for all these years. It's pathetic how ****** our basketball program is. I mean... you've basically got to try to be below .500 all time in basketball.

It's awful the pathetic expectations in our fanbase. People gave me a hard time for putting a mediocre expectation of a 125 RPI team on this year which is a joke to begin with in year 5 with the 2nd most experienced team returning in the AAC of mostly 3rd year players.

I figured Lebo would fall short of that but I never imagined we'd be this bad. There is no one to blame. The one young player we even really are playing is Tyson and he's the freaking best player we got and really the only thing in this entire program to get excited about at this point.

What about Tejada and White?

I haven't really followed you guys closely this year after the first few games. Have they not been playing well?

Tejada has shown me very little at this point, in fact he's been pretty awful. Maybe he's good down the line but he's the kind of guy that shouldn't even be playing right now IMO just give his minutes to Tyson and let him learn to play PG. He's at his best with the ball in his hands breaking down defenses anyway not playing off the ball spoting up for shots. If he has a pro future it's at point guard and we need to do whatever we can to keep him happy IMO.

White's great at shooting the ball and scoring he's the wimpiest player I have ever seen rebounding and when we try to play him at PF like we do it's pretty much a disaster which is why PRC plays PF when they are in together last year and now he's back. If he's playing SF you can halfway get away with it. Useful player but not a real difference maker because he doesn't do much else other than shoot and if you are playing Forward you need to come up with some rebounds.

Also guys like Zangari and Prince who looked pretty good last year have been shells of what they were. I think Akeem's ability to shooting 25 foot three's and space the floor opened up driving lanes for Prince and Zangari to have good shots in the post and a lot of the reason they are struggling more this season because we aren't a good 3 point team and teams can sit in a zone. Whisnant is decent but there are few players that can shoot like Akeem did and space the floor and affect the entire offense.

Tyson is averaging 23.5 minutes per game which puts him in the top 5 of the team. He isn't being treated as a 9th man that's a ridiculous assertion StillJonesing. And White is not playing 38 minutes as of late. No one on the team is. We have a lot of guards and 9 players all seeing time. Stith and Sampson leaving have absolutely nothing to do with Tyson. And the other Sampson son wanting to stay where he is is his choice. Maybe he doesn't want to play for his Dad. That has nothing to do with Tyson either.

(12-29-2014 09:34 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 12:57 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Maybe because he's at freaking Virginia. Nobody wants to hear your antics

He's right though.

Right about what? All he does is complain about minutes and rotations. And blames losses on minutes and rotations and thinks a single player's minutes determines outcomes. We just won by 21 with Tyson playing 21 minutes. For the most part, we can win games when we shoot well. Shoot poorly and we lose.

(12-28-2014 11:48 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 11:33 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  nothing stupid about Tyson's playing time or role on this team.

GTFO

Quote:clearly isn't being treated as 9th man.

Like Sampson and Stith? Their will be plenty of coaches at better schools than ECU lined up to take him if he gets pissed at playing 19 minutes a game behind scrubs, and that will be there with offers to start and actually play PG if he will transfer which he's probably never going to get to play here.

you GTFO. continuing to call our players "scrubs". Actually wanting our players to transfer. Wanting other programs to tamper with our program. You're an idiot and hypocrite. You're an embarrassment to ECU and it's fan base.

(12-29-2014 09:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:29 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  There's no excuse for this steaming pile of program. NONE. We can no longer blame it on conference affiliation, television exposure or anything else. The blame lies on the fan base as a whole if anything for not giving a **** for all these years. It's pathetic how ****** our basketball program is. I mean... you've basically got to try to be below .500 all time in basketball.

It's awful the pathetic expectations in our fanbase. People gave me a hard time for putting a mediocre expectation of a 125 RPI team on this year which is a joke to begin with in year 5 with the 2nd most experienced team returning in the AAC of mostly 3rd year players.

I figured Lebo would fall short of that but I never imagined we'd be this bad. There is no one to blame. The one young player we even really are playing is Tyson and he's the freaking best player we got and really the only thing in this entire program to get excited about at this point.

What about Tejada and White?

I haven't really followed you guys closely this year after the first few games. Have they not been playing well?

They aren't putting up all-American numbers so they are "scrubs"

And just because I don't see a problem with the minute distribution/rotations/who starts or blame losses on that stuff doesn't mean I'm not disappointed with our start/current RPI/etc.

(12-29-2014 09:46 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  Tyson is averaging 23.5 minutes per game which puts him in the top 5 of the team. He isn't being treated as a 9th man that's a ridiculous assertion StillJonesing.

#1 he's playing less than 20 minutes a game on average since PRC got back.

#2 he's been brought off the bench every game this year and multiple times as the 9th player. That's a fact.

There is very little difference between his minutes and the player playing the 9th most minutes either, especially now that PRC is back which is ridiculous when he's playing about the same as players like Tejada and Robinson.

Quote:And White is not playing 38 minutes as of late.

Whisnat played 40 minutes just a few games ago.

Quote:No one on the team is. We have a lot of guards and 9 players all seeing time.

9 players of which clearly aren't created equal, yet you want us to play them about like they are which is what's so stupid. You think UConn fans would be cool with Antonio Robinson playing as many minutes as Boatwrigth. Tyson is easily the best player on the team and our Boatwright.

Quote:Stith and Sampson leaving have absolutely nothing to do with Tyson. And the other Sampson son wanting to stay where he is is his choice. Maybe he doesn't want to play for his Dad. That has nothing to do with Tyson either.

Stith didn't want to play for Lebo either, pretty much said so in tweets. Just take it as a warning when you about keeping young talent happy. The bottomline is we suck and he's responsible.

(12-29-2014 09:51 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  Right about what? All he does is complain about minutes and rotations. And blames losses on minutes and rotations and thinks a single player's minutes determines outcomes.

If you really think one player can't impact and outcome of a game you are clueless, especially one producing at a All Conference level like Tyson IS. Especially one of only 3 players on the entire team, that the team actually win when he's on the court. These are the facts.

We win by 13.5 points per 100 possessions with Tyson on the court. We lose with Robinson and Tejada on the court and they have infact played together at times this year.

Quote:We just won by 21 with Tyson playing 21 minutes. For the most part, we can win games when we shoot well. Shoot poorly and we lose.

and we lost to bad teams in 2 and 4 point games in which he played 6 to 10 minutes less than some of our other players. If you don't think he could have potentially made a difference in those games you are blind, one of which he had 24 points and was killing it. Both were good games and we skandered 6 to 10 All conference minutes on the bench each game that could have turned it.

There there are also the embarrassing blowouts to Green Bay and UNC he hardly played at all that could have been more competitive, even UNCW that was a 12 point game he gets 19 minutes in that who knows how we look if he gets 35 like other teams play their stars producing like he does. You leave scores like he is in the game and they can catch fire.

The bottomline is it takes a complete idiot to want to see the best player on the team play 20 minutes a game and defend that and the same minutes as Antonio Robinson.

No - Tyson is usually one of the first off the bench. He's not being treated as a 9th player. He's also in the game at the end of games, which for some reason you continue to overlook. Again - we have a lot of guards, all of whom will be seeing playing time, including PRC now that he's looking to be healthy off of his injury. Whisant's last 3 games have been 33, 23, and 28 minutes. Tyson is still averaging 23.5 minutes/game, which is tied for 3rd most with Zangari. The rotations and his minutes are fine. What's not fine is missing wide open shots, having multiple unforced turnovers in a row, and playing out of control. That costs us more games than the minutes of certain players and rotations.

(12-29-2014 10:32 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  And just because I don't see a problem with the minute distribution/rotations/who starts or blame losses on that stuff doesn't mean I'm not disappointed with our start/current RPI/etc.

Yet you never point to any blame. Lebo does nothing wrong. We are just #298 RPI right now not because of his coaching, his recruiting, his rotations, his scheduling philosophy, players don't leave because they didn't like him etc etc etc. You have seriously defended every aspect of this man's job performance but then you'll have the addacity to place zero blame and say you are "disapointed". Well no ****. This guy does nothing wrong yet everything is broke, but he didn't do any of it. Makes perfect sense you delusional hypocrite. So who or what he hell do you blame for why we are one of the worst teams in the nation after 5 years.

(12-29-2014 10:28 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:29 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  There's no excuse for this steaming pile of program. NONE. We can no longer blame it on conference affiliation, television exposure or anything else. The blame lies on the fan base as a whole if anything for not giving a **** for all these years. It's pathetic how ****** our basketball program is. I mean... you've basically got to try to be below .500 all time in basketball.

It's awful the pathetic expectations in our fanbase. People gave me a hard time for putting a mediocre expectation of a 125 RPI team on this year which is a joke to begin with in year 5 with the 2nd most experienced team returning in the AAC of mostly 3rd year players.

I figured Lebo would fall short of that but I never imagined we'd be this bad. There is no one to blame. The one young player we even really are playing is Tyson and he's the freaking best player we got and really the only thing in this entire program to get excited about at this point.

What about Tejada and White?

I haven't really followed you guys closely this year after the first few games. Have they not been playing well?

They aren't putting up all-American numbers so they are "scrubs"

They are scrubs because most of them aren't doing jack positive on the court and they play on a #298 RPI team that is garbage. We lose when Robinson is on the court by about 4 points per 100 possessions, 13 for Tejada. What do you want to call them. At least we actually win when Tyson is playing and he is infact putting up all conference production and in large part responsible for the positives impact. So what's Lebo's great plan, play him 20 minutes a game so we can get guys like Robinson on the court more.

Tyson wasn't doing anything in that UNCW game. 4 turnovers. 3 of 6 shooting. please.

you wanna talk about the 4 point loss to Asheville? how about the 20 of 30 we shot on the free throw line in that game. 20 of 30. you don't think that cost us? Tyson was 5 of 12 from the floor and just 1 of 5 from the 3 pt line. he also had 4 fouls in that game. you're the clueless one here StillJonesing.

(12-29-2014 11:12 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:32 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  And just because I don't see a problem with the minute distribution/rotations/who starts or blame losses on that stuff doesn't mean I'm not disappointed with our start/current RPI/etc.

Yet you never point to any blame. Lebo does nothing wrong. We are just #298 RPI right now not because of his coaching, his recruiting, his rotations, his scheduling philosophy, players don't leave because they didn't like him etc etc etc. You have seriously defended every aspect of this man's job performance but then you'll have the addacity to place zero blame and say you are "disapointed". Well no ******* ****. This guy does nothing wrong yet everything is broke, but he didn't do any of it. Makes perfect sense you delusional hypocrite.

He's not perfect by any means. I never said he was. Minutes/rotations aren't the problem. Your complaints about minutes and rotations are ridiculous. You're the delusional hypocrite here, not me.

(12-29-2014 11:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:28 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:29 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:03 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  There's no excuse for this steaming pile of program. NONE. We can no longer blame it on conference affiliation, television exposure or anything else. The blame lies on the fan base as a whole if anything for not giving a **** for all these years. It's pathetic how ****** our basketball program is. I mean... you've basically got to try to be below .500 all time in basketball.

It's awful the pathetic expectations in our fanbase. People gave me a hard time for putting a mediocre expectation of a 125 RPI team on this year which is a joke to begin with in year 5 with the 2nd most experienced team returning in the AAC of mostly 3rd year players.

I figured Lebo would fall short of that but I never imagined we'd be this bad. There is no one to blame. The one young player we even really are playing is Tyson and he's the freaking best player we got and really the only thing in this entire program to get excited about at this point.

What about Tejada and White?

I haven't really followed you guys closely this year after the first few games. Have they not been playing well?

They aren't putting up all-American numbers so they are "scrubs"

They are scrubs because most of them aren't doing jack positive on the court and they play on a #298 RPI team that is garbage. We lose when Robinson is on the court by about 4 points per 100 possessions, 13 for Tejada. What do you want to call them. At least we actually win when Tyson is playing and he is infact putting up all conference production and in large part responsible for the positives impact. So what's Lebo's great plan, play him 20 minutes a game so we can get guys like Robinson on the court more.

Ridiculous ... Robinson just played 26 minutes against UNCG and we won by 21. He had 5 assists and only 1 turnover. He played good defense. He runs the offense well.

We've already lost 2 very close games by 2 and 4 points in which he played 6-10 mintues less than our top minute getter and 10-14 minutes less than Whisnant played in one game and he was playing great those games. Clearly could have made a difference in those games if he was actually in them especially the game he dropped 24 points in. There's 2 bad close losses already with him not getting the minutes other got or he should. You play the rest of the season like this and there will be more.


Lebo also had a history already with Kemp and Richmond 2 of the best to ever play here. We were 1-8 in close 5 point games Kemps JR year with him on the bench in similar fashion. We were 10-10 vs D1 before injuries forced Lebo to play Richmond, 9-2 after. How anyone has faith in these rotations is beyond me when he's already played NBA caliber talent as Juniors behind guys like Corvon Gaines and watched us lose games, and many close ones. Defend away Johnny Cochran. The program is clearly in great shape.

If you want to blame losses on poor coaching, poor in game adjustments, a poor game plan, then go right ahead. Wanna blame him for not landing his first choices when it comes to big men recruiting? go right ahead. all reasonable. all makes sense.

but there's no way I'm going to blame him for minutes and rotations, because in my book, they are fine and haven't cost us anything.

(12-29-2014 11:30 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  We've already lost 2 very close games by 2 and 4 points in which he played 6-10 mintues less than our top minute getter and 10-14 minutes less than Whisnant played in one game and he was playing great those games. Clearly could have made a difference in those games if he was actually in them especially the game he dropped 24 points in. There 2 already. You play the rest of the season like this and there will be more.


Lebo also had a history already with Kemp and Richmond 2 of the best to ever play here. We were 1-8 in 5 point games Kemps JR year with him on the bench. We were 10-10 vd D1 before injuries forced Lebo to play Richmond. How anyone has faith in these rotations is beyond me.

what about all of the missed free throws and other shots from the floor? missed rebound opportunities, failing to box out, turnovers, the stuff that actually happens in the damn game? You're putting the blame in the wrong place. You act like Tyson is some sort of savior.

(12-29-2014 11:22 PM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:16 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:28 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:35 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 09:29 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  It's awful the pathetic expectations in our fanbase. People gave me a hard time for putting a mediocre expectation of a 125 RPI team on this year which is a joke to begin with in year 5 with the 2nd most experienced team returning in the AAC of mostly 3rd year players.

I figured Lebo would fall short of that but I never imagined we'd be this bad. There is no one to blame. The one young player we even really are playing is Tyson and he's the freaking best player we got and really the only thing in this entire program to get excited about at this point.

What about Tejada and White?

I haven't really followed you guys closely this year after the first few games. Have they not been playing well?

They aren't putting up all-American numbers so they are "scrubs"

They are scrubs because most of them aren't doing jack positive on the court and they play on a #298 RPI team that is garbage. We lose when Robinson is on the court by about 4 points per 100 possessions, 13 for Tejada. What do you want to call them. At least we actually win when Tyson is playing and he is infact putting up all conference production and in large part responsible for the positives impact. So what's Lebo's great plan, play him 20 minutes a game so we can get guys like Robinson on the court more.

Ridiculous ... Robinson just played 26 minutes against UNCG and we won by 21. He had 5 assists and only 1 turnover. He played good defense. He runs the offense well.

We lose with him on the court by 4 points per 100 possessions as a team. It's just the simple facts. We win by about 3 times that with Tyson on the court. Fact. Defend it all you want but not playing Tyson more does impact games and negatively when he's the best player and playing Robinson more does in the opposite way and that's very proven over the course of the season now well into it. You can't get around that and we've already lost winnable close games he could have played more in.

and if they are on the court at the same time, which happens often? we don't even have 100 possessions in a game. We obviously didn't lose with him playing 26 minutes on Sunday did we. We didn't lose to James Madison with him playing 29 minutes. He had 8 assists, 5 points, and 5 rebounds. That "fact" is worthless. It's deceiving and lacks context.