How are your corners, can they man up? We finally have Davonte Allen back at "X" this week. He's been out since early in the Akron game and was our #1 deep threat and leading receiver the first 4 weeks. I have a feeling if you try and man up on him and Jean Louis those extra guys will be out of the box by late in the first quarter.
(11-04-2014 08:24 PM)banker Wrote: How are your corners, can they man up? We finally have Davonte Allen back at "X" this week. He's been out since early in the Akron game and was our #1 deep threat and leading receiver the first 4 weeks. I have a feeling if you try and man up on him and Jean Louis those extra guys will be out of the box by late in the first quarter.
I think we have 4 WRs that can out run any corner one on one in CUSA with Jean Louis, Allen, McManus and Hunt. If 2 of them are in on the outside then you have to pick your poison. Do you take a safety and cover the outside with a corner and safety leaving the middle of the field open for Shuler, Wilkins or Foster. Do you try and bracket the middle to take away the middle leaving 5 in the box for Johnson, Watson or Butler to run it. If USM is lucky to find a cover for all of that then you have to worry about a TE in Frohnapfel and Yurachek over the middle or on the sideline catching.
No one has found a way to cover everyone at the same time this year. It will be a tough task for USM also.
One other thing USM has to worry about especially on a broken play is Johnson slipping down field to catch a ball. The kid has soft hands for someone as big as he is.
(This post was last modified: 11-04-2014 10:01 PM by HerdZoned.)
(11-04-2014 08:24 PM)banker Wrote: How are your corners, can they man up? We finally have Davonte Allen back at "X" this week. He's been out since early in the Akron game and was our #1 deep threat and leading receiver the first 4 weeks. I have a feeling if you try and man up on him and Jean Louis those extra guys will be out of the box by late in the first quarter.
I think we have 4 WRs that can out run any corner one on one in CUSA with Jean Louis, Allen, McManus and Hunt. If 2 of them are in on the outside then you have to pick your poison. Do you take a safety and cover the outside with a corner and safety leaving the middle of the field open for Shuler, Wilkins or Foster. Do you try and bracket the middle to take away the middle leaving 5 in the box for Johnson, Watson or Butler to run it. If USM is lucky to find a cover for all of that then you have to worry about a TE in Frohnapfel and Yurachek over the middle or on the sideline catching.
No one has found a way to cover everyone at the same time this year. It will be a tough task for USM also.
One other thing USM has to worry about especially on a broken play is Johnson slipping down field to catch a ball. The kid has soft hands for someone as big as he is.
someone understands football scheme.....I hope shifty doesn't take me up on my prop and go opposite....I want to eat some eat some goatherd saturdayl....
you already know we are going the stack the box....
you know cato is the key to this ga(t)me....
but so does he as the pressure builds.....
saturday, we find out how his ca hones grow on the road at 8-0......against a team that has 'potential'.....
it's already in his head like the rest of yaz.....don't kid yourself.....Monk is doing double-time to remind as Doc is to forget.....
yep, saturday is gonna a kick in rear just for the shites and gigs.....
Ohio stacked the box, they held Johnson to 91 yards although Butler got 119. What happened was Cato went for 425, Allen had 5 for 137 and 2 TDs and Jean Louis had 4 for 158 and a TD, oh, and Shuler had 4 for 76 and a TD. We had 5 receivers average over 16 per catch in the game.
Again, I don't know how good your corners are in man coverage, but they better be really good if you are going to stuff your safeties in the box. You seem to forget that Cato isn't some rookie. He's played in a lot of big games under pressure. Other problem, if you go straight man and Cato breaks the pocket you've got issues. He's really picked up his rushing this year.
(11-04-2014 10:38 PM)banker Wrote: Ohio stacked the box, they held Johnson to 91 yards although Butler got 119. What happened was Cato went for 425, Allen had 5 for 137 and 2 TDs and Jean Louis had 4 for 158 and a TD, oh, and Shuler had 4 for 76 and a TD. We had 5 receivers average over 16 per catch in the game.
Again, I don't know how good your corners are in man coverage, but they better be really good if you are going to stuff your safeties in the box. You seem to forget that Cato isn't some rookie. He's played in a lot of big games under pressure. Other problem, if you go straight man and Cato breaks the pocket you've got issues. He's really picked up his rushing this year.
My guess is if they leave their safeties in to stack the box at 1st, once Cato hits Jean Louis, McManus, Allen or Hunt over the top 3-4 times and Shuler, Wilkins or Foster down the middle for big gains then those safeties will be edging on the outside before the end of the half.
Bill Legg the OC still calls plays but Cato has the option to change the play completely or audible on pass or run. Cato knows every defensive coverage out there and he will take what they give him. He is also choosing the right play call about 98% of the time this year. He missed once in the FAU game, he checked down to a run rather than pass. If he would have stayed with the play call he would have had Jean Louis down the middle for a 73 yard TD pass.
(11-04-2014 10:38 PM)banker Wrote: Ohio stacked the box, they held Johnson to 91 yards although Butler got 119. What happened was Cato went for 425, Allen had 5 for 137 and 2 TDs and Jean Louis had 4 for 158 and a TD, oh, and Shuler had 4 for 76 and a TD. We had 5 receivers average over 16 per catch in the game.
Again, I don't know how good your corners are in man coverage, but they better be really good if you are going to stuff your safeties in the box. You seem to forget that Cato isn't some rookie. He's played in a lot of big games under pressure. Other problem, if you go straight man and Cato breaks the pocket you've got issues. He's really picked up his rushing this year.
no, our corners are not good....
you just defined what I said.....it's going to fall on cato....there is no questioning his overall talent.....the question now is, was his last game a fluke dud, or is being undefeated now a curse in his head
I see cato being the leading rusher....our containment meltdown is our number one weakness with the corners a close second...
doc ain't no dummy either...he knows this....
our only chance is that mullens plays and matches you guys score for score, or you guys toss a limp effort against us and we get a couple of cheap scores....
(11-05-2014 09:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote: our only chance is that mullens plays and matches you guys score for score, or you guys toss a limp effort against us and we get a couple of cheap scores....
That's something we haven't done this year is give up cheap scores, not our 1st team defense. We have give up some garbage TDs with our 2nd, 3rd string and walk on defense. At this time the games are already won.
This is Chuck Heaters 2nd year as Marshall's DC. Last year the whole defense was learning his system on the fly. Add into that we had 14 true or redshirt freshman being infused in the defense and we did give up some bad TDs and have some suspect play early on. This year everyone knows their assignments and we have less true and redshirt freshman playing.
(11-05-2014 09:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote: our only chance is that mullens plays and matches you guys score for score, or you guys toss a limp effort against us and we get a couple of cheap scores....
That's something we haven't done this year is give up cheap scores, not our 1st team defense. We have give up some garbage TDs with our 2nd, 3rd string and walk on defense. At this time the games are already won.
This is Chuck Heaters 2nd year as Marshall's DC. Last year the whole defense was learning his system on the fly. Add into that we had 14 true or redshirt freshman being infused in the defense and we did give up some bad TDs and have some suspect play early on. This year everyone knows their assignments and we have less true and redshirt freshman playing.
veddy good.....but now it's in their head....8-0???? cato +running attack....I watched the fau game (dvr).....it should be a concern....guarantee doc is thinking about that too....
this one has disruption potential written all over it....it doesn't matter about the level other than the level that one can achieve....
would you be confident taking MU -28?
there is just something about losing that provides strength....it's the 'when' that nobody can predict....
like I previously stated, if you guys win, I hope you body slam us.....but if it's close....I hope we rip your fkn heart out....
that's my definition of my passion regarding college football....at the very least, what I wish to enjoy....winning and losing does matter.....it's how you enjoy it that defines a person....
(11-05-2014 01:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote: would you be confident taking MU -28?
I could care less if we beat the spread, since Im not a gambler that means nothing to me. If we win by 35, 22, or 1 I don't care as long as we win.
Do I think USM is improving, yes. Do I think you are ready to play a tight game with Marshall, I don't. I think that is probably 2 maybe 3 recruiting classes away.
Nick Mullins is going to be you version of Brian Anderson for Marshall. Anderson wasn't ever going to be a great player and have all world stats but then again he had a bad OLine and very few playmakers. If he would have had an OLine and more playmakers he would have been able to manage the game and win 7-8 games a year. But we didn't have the depth then. And that's whats going to take USM down, not having the depth of playmakers if it be on the offense or defensive side.