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Game 10 - Elon
Back to Zable stadium where the team needs a win. Any prayer for the playoffs starts this week. The ticket giveaway to season ticket holders seems effective and there are just over 1000 remaining for the game (almost 400 of those being in section II). Getting these tickets claimed and having people use them are two different things; hopefully the tickets are used. Looks like it will be a sunny day on Saturday with a high of 58. Perfect weather for fall football. Let's hope the students come out and fill in some of the student section to support the team. This should be a win, but it would be great to have a strong show of support after two close losses in the last three weeks. I'm completely ignorant and know absolutely nothing about Elon. They've been close in some of their CAA games but the whole transition thing to a new conference seems to be a work in progress for them.

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11-03-2014 02:40 PM
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Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays
11-03-2014 09:27 PM
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RE: Game 10 - Elon
Jesse Santiago won't be around anymore...I thought W&M booted him last spring? Didn't he come to W&M the same year as that Sam Marshall clown?
11-04-2014 03:31 AM
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RE: Game 10 - Elon
It's a 3:30 start which is most important. People - students, alumni, casual fans - just don't seem to rally anymore for Noon games. They would in my day (1pm starts) but the entertainment choices were extremely limited then.

The Tribe finally starts catching a bit if a break now with the schedule.

Elon should be a good series going forward. At least a nice, easy road trip the other direction when we play there. They have a beautiful campus and a very nice football stadium.
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(11-03-2014 09:27 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays

Direct intracampus mail to students is nearly free. This should happen for every game. Flyers should go out on Thursday.
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(11-04-2014 07:58 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 09:27 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays

Direct intracampus mail to students is nearly free. This should happen for every game. Flyers should go out on Thursday.

Agree. I've long said that the importance of student attendance is more than just making the stands look fuller for atmosphere and recruiting. IMO, it plays an integral role in how the students feel about/remember the college when they become alums. Successful sports are one of the best ways to contribute to the student experience and continue to engage alumni post-graduation.
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Looks like Elon returned their tickets early, gave back about 500.
11-04-2014 09:31 AM
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Am I in danger of not getting into this game if I don't purchase a ticket now?
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(11-04-2014 07:58 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 09:27 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays

Direct intracampus mail to students is nearly free. This should happen for every game. Flyers should go out on Thursday.

It should but it doesn't. Really the only advertising fo rthe football team is their schedule posters are hung up in the Caf, but otherwise there's little information on the games. Sometimes there are signs that say "Tribe Football Staurday" around campus, but they really don't advertise much since they don't have a gametime or anything
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RE: Game 10 - Elon
Still around 1400 tickets left. Before Elon returned their batch they were mostly at the endzones, but now there are still a pretty good chunk in Section C (over next to the visitors side around the 30 yard line or so).
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I can't believe we are playing schools like Elon and Lafayette. How far behind can Christopher Newport and The Apprentice School be? Seeing a one armed mascot from CNU would be worth the price of admission. That would stimulate attendance! $$$$$
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(11-04-2014 03:31 AM)Tribal Wrote:  Jesse Santiago won't be around anymore...I thought W&M booted him last spring? Didn't he come to W&M the same year as that Sam Marshall clown?

Just read the blurb in the DP. Maybe Santiago can rescue his career at a JC? Needs a good lawyer. Not a good fit in the burg.
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(11-04-2014 10:49 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  I can't believe we are playing schools like Elon and Lafayette. How far behind can Christopher Newport and The Apprentice School be? Seeing a one armed mascot from CNU would be worth the price of admission. That would stimulate attendance! $$$$$

Not sure what's the problem. We have been playing schools like them forever.
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(11-04-2014 12:51 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 10:49 AM)SoCal Frank Wrote:  I can't believe we are playing schools like Elon and Lafayette. How far behind can Christopher Newport and The Apprentice School be? Seeing a one armed mascot from CNU would be worth the price of admission. That would stimulate attendance! $$$$$

Not sure what's the problem. We have been playing schools like them forever.

Elon is a full member of the CAA and Lafayette kicked our butts two years ago so let's not act like we're too cool for school. I'm sure VT fans wonder why they play us so it goes both ways.
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(11-04-2014 08:20 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 07:58 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 09:27 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays

Direct intracampus mail to students is nearly free. This should happen for every game. Flyers should go out on Thursday.

Agree. I've long said that the importance of student attendance is more than just making the stands look fuller for atmosphere and recruiting. IMO, it plays an integral role in how the students feel about/remember the college when they become alums. Successful sports are one of the best ways to contribute to the student experience and continue to engage alumni post-graduation.

This again goes back to last week's Delaware game thread in which we had the same exact conversation.

Just to re-post the comment from last week, highlighting my own perspective (as someone who works for Tribe Athletics Marketing as an intern, and as someone who has been a W&M student the last 4 years):

"What do you guys think are some good ways to recruit students to games? You have to keep in mind that the culture has COMPLETELY changed on campus since a lot of you alumni were students here (judging by my experience now as a Senior, and by the comments I've read about years past/speaking to alumni, etc.).

Students at W&M seem to be more focused than ever on studying. The other half are kids that I think are most interested in sports (mostly those in Greek life), but are the ones that are "too busy partying on the weekend," or "don't care," or think "our sports are terrible (because our football/basketball isn't like UVA/Tech and is not in the ACC)." Those are the most common complaints from people that I KNOW are very passionate about sports, talk about pro sports all the time, and SHOULD be going to our games. Very frustrating to see these guys/girls not care about their own college sports programs as much as they care about pro teams and 'partying.'

Also, the marketing budget for Tribe Athletics isn't unlimited, and it can be hard to offer incentive plans (giving away free things), or implement other things that cost money. Again, I think it's a cultural issue on campus. But what would you guys suggest? How should we be attempting to recruit students who typically don't go to the games (both academic/Greek), to come to the games? I'm curious to see what people on this forum can come up with."

To directly address what has been said in this thread, this weeks' game flyers which were placed directly in the students' CSU boxes were far from free. Tribe Athletics uses multiple avenues to try and get information out there and recruit students to the games, some of which include, but are not limited to: Tribe gameday signs, direct mail in CSU boxes, posters inside of academic buildings, game-day incentives/promotions, and listing games on literally every e-newsletter on campus.

Again, the issue of student attendance is fundamentally, at its core, a cultural problem (refer to my post from last week). The students currently on campus truly do not think that going to our games is worth their time. Arguments can be made as to why this is the case. Is it the type of students W&M is accepting? Is it because we're not nationally ranked in every sport we play? Or is it the fact that we don't have an FBS football program? You can argue any way you want, but we can't just sit here and complain about it! We need to come together and figure out initiatives that will get this changed--and we need to figure out the root of the problem, because it's hard to market to an audience that simply does not care.

Roll Tribe.
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(11-04-2014 03:45 PM)WMSportsBlog Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 08:20 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  
(11-04-2014 07:58 AM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 09:27 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Looks like the administration noticed the poor attendance at the last game, and is trying to fix it. All the students got flyers advertising the game in their mailbox. Glad that they're actually trying to inform people about these games, there's generally very little press when the team plays

Direct intracampus mail to students is nearly free. This should happen for every game. Flyers should go out on Thursday.

Agree. I've long said that the importance of student attendance is more than just making the stands look fuller for atmosphere and recruiting. IMO, it plays an integral role in how the students feel about/remember the college when they become alums. Successful sports are one of the best ways to contribute to the student experience and continue to engage alumni post-graduation.

This again goes back to last week's Delaware game thread in which we had the same exact conversation.

Just to re-post the comment from last week, highlighting my own perspective (as someone who works for Tribe Athletics Marketing as an intern, and as someone who has been a W&M student the last 4 years):

"What do you guys think are some good ways to recruit students to games? You have to keep in mind that the culture has COMPLETELY changed on campus since a lot of you alumni were students here (judging by my experience now as a Senior, and by the comments I've read about years past/speaking to alumni, etc.).

Students at W&M seem to be more focused than ever on studying. The other half are kids that I think are most interested in sports (mostly those in Greek life), but are the ones that are "too busy partying on the weekend," or "don't care," or think "our sports are terrible (because our football/basketball isn't like UVA/Tech and is not in the ACC)." Those are the most common complaints from people that I KNOW are very passionate about sports, talk about pro sports all the time, and SHOULD be going to our games. Very frustrating to see these guys/girls not care about their own college sports programs as much as they care about pro teams and 'partying.'

Also, the marketing budget for Tribe Athletics isn't unlimited, and it can be hard to offer incentive plans (giving away free things), or implement other things that cost money. Again, I think it's a cultural issue on campus. But what would you guys suggest? How should we be attempting to recruit students who typically don't go to the games (both academic/Greek), to come to the games? I'm curious to see what people on this forum can come up with."

To directly address what has been said in this thread, this weeks' game flyers which were placed directly in the students' CSU boxes were far from free. Tribe Athletics uses multiple avenues to try and get information out there and recruit students to the games, some of which include, but are not limited to: Tribe gameday signs, direct mail in CSU boxes, posters inside of academic buildings, game-day incentives/promotions, and listing games on literally every e-newsletter on campus.

Again, the issue of student attendance is fundamentally, at its core, a cultural problem (refer to my post from last week). The students currently on campus truly do not think that going to our games is worth their time. Arguments can be made as to why this is the case. Is it the type of students W&M is accepting? Is it because we're not nationally ranked in every sport we play? Or is it the fact that we don't have an FBS football program? You can argue any way you want, but we can't just sit here and complain about it! We need to come together and figure out initiatives that will get this changed--and we need to figure out the root of the problem, because it's hard to market to an audience that simply does not care.

Roll Tribe.

I don't know how feasible it would be to have players for the team get involved in getting people out. During the Delaware game my wife turned to me and said something to the effect of "the sad thing is you have a great team out here, and I know the players have more friends than those who are in the student section." That got me thinking about getting players involved in increasing attendance. Not just people they know, but others on campus. If you had something where some of the players went out to invite people to come to games. Have some of them around the dining halls at meal times, go stop by some of the big student organizations and ask them to come out and support them. There are some very charismatic guys on the football team who would be great at that. This could be done for any sport, not just football. I saw a video of UNC Charlotte athletes standing outside their equivalent of the UC (Sadler Center for the newer folks) and when they saw someone wearing a shirt from another school they blew a whistle or something, and jokingly gave them a penalty or whatever and gave them a UNC Charlotte shirt. I don't think WM has a problem with students wearing other schools shirts, but the other aspect of that was having the athletes connect with students. I think this would also help reach out to some of the folks who feel athletics gets too much attention or resources on campus. Put a human face on athletics, and then when someone thinks about what they want to do on a Saturday, they can remember that funny talk with Tyler Claytor outside the dining hall, DeAndre Houston-Carson inviting them to the game, or Tre McBride and Steve Cluley coming and saying how much fan turnout means to them. I know athletes are so busy with things, and maybe it's something better done early in the year before anything gets too busy. Maybe have the athletes walk around at the activity fair (is this still a thing?) during orientation. Just an idea...
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WMSports Blog:

You want to know the root of the problem, and initiatives to overcome the problem?

The root of the problem is that the College no longer tolerates the type of activities that took place in the frats and sororities, and has basically gutted / neutered the Greeks ... and the Greeks were the backbone of student attendance.

An initiative?

Put forth a first class 200 member marching band, with twirlers, flag folks, etc. That would really do wonders for atmosphere, student attendance, and general attendance. Of all the things that could be done, this is so achievable, and gives the most bang for the buck.

Another initiative?

A first class video board that is student friendly.
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I've seen lots of FB players at basketball, baseball, and soccer games....usually the more rowdy at the event. I know some athletes attend FB games but you'd think more athletes would return the favor. 20 rowdy soccer players, 10 baseball players, 10 basketball, and 30 others with 50 friends would make a difference.
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(11-04-2014 05:14 PM)nj alum Wrote:  WMSports Blog:

You want to know the root of the problem, and initiatives to overcome the problem?

The root of the problem is that the College no longer tolerates the type of activities that took place in the frats and sororities, and has basically gutted / neutered the Greeks ... and the Greeks were the backbone of student attendance.

An initiative?

Put forth a first class 200 member marching band, with twirlers, flag folks, etc. That would really do wonders for atmosphere, student attendance, and general attendance. Of all the things that could be done, this is so achievable, and gives the most bang for the buck.

Another initiative?

A first class video board that is student friendly.

The 200 person band is not nearly as obtainable as you think. Most of the current pep band has no desire to be a traditional marching band, and I doubt you could find 200 kids who want to. Most of the other music groups on campus are very serious, and wouldn't be interested in that.
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